Guest Dopey Report post Posted January 8, 2003 Alright, Korea does start a war. No more talking. The Migs are 5 minutes away from Soel. What does the U.S. do from this point. Give your prediction of battle plans, stratigies...ect.. Tell me how or if the U.S. wins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RobJohnstone Report post Posted January 8, 2003 well, they have ballistics that can reach our west coast (You can thank billy boy for that). I don't think we have to worry about nuclear weapons. I don't think they can make one, nor do I think they have all the materials to do so. The first war was a joke, terrible. If we do fight another war with korea, we will also have to fight red china, just like #1. We can and will win but at what cost? For what reason? --Rob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cynicalprofit Report post Posted January 8, 2003 Ya know, those who fail to learn from history...may not live long enough to finish the thought. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dopey Report post Posted January 8, 2003 Ya know, those who fail to learn from history...may not live long enough to finish the thought. Cynicalprofit, are you saying that we would shed a whole bunch of blood, but yet wind up once again staring at each other over the DMZ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Will Scarlet Report post Posted January 8, 2003 Perhaps I am being optimistic, but I really do not think anything too serious will come out of this. I agree with this one article I read that seems to believe this is nothing more than a political ploy by the North Koreans to get some aid and some leverage because the US is too proccupied with Iraq to fight a war with North Korea. It seems like a risky gamble on the North Koreans part, but it seems like it would have a big payoff if they play it right. I just think it will end up being much ado about nothing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dopey Report post Posted January 8, 2003 If we do fight another war with korea, we will also have to fight red china, just like #1. We can and will win but at what cost? For what reason? --Rob I don't know Rob, I don't think the boys in Pyongyang are that friendly anymore with the Chinese. But for the sake of argument, let's say we do fight N. Korea with supplemented troops from the PRC. Could they exact such a toll that it would make the modern American puplic mess themselves and demand a withdrawl??? Let's face it, we suffered less than 500 dead during Desert-Storm. We would probably lose 5,000 in the first two weeks. Seeing that they could flash across the DMZ and take Inch'On and Seoul within that time frame. Now given that they take Inch'On and Seoul within a week or two, and knowing that it's going to take more lives to drop more troops south of Seoul, and push our way back up, can the American public take that??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kotzenjunge Report post Posted January 8, 2003 The American public is already (albeit very slowly) starting to cool off its war-desiring jets pertaining to Iraq, so I don't see us really wanting a war with North Korea of all countries unless they did something really big and really stupid, and even then it would have to directly affect us somehow. What you're speaking of is an absolute worst case scenario, and one that I don't see ever happening. It's too traditional. They wouldn't just up and invade South Korea, they'd make it really obvious with aerial attacks first to soften everything up. Also, they know full well that they have to go through 50,000 American soldiers to get through, which is direct assault on our own military. It's suicide. So, to conclude, while an interesting topic to discuss, it'll never happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest razazteca Report post Posted January 8, 2003 it would take something big like North Korea bombing Okinwa for me to even consider them as a threat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dopey Report post Posted January 8, 2003 it would take something big like North Korea bombing Okinwa for me to even consider them as a threat. Razazteca, I hate to be a stickler for facts and all but let me list the U.N. casualty list for the U.S. and S. Korea. U.S. 54,246 Dead 103,248 Wounded 8,142 M.I.A. S. Korea 227,800 Dead 717,100 Wounded 43,500 M.I.A. Let's see that's 282,046 Dead, and 820,348 Wounded, and well do the math on the M.I.A.s . I hate to say this bro, but they are a legit threat. And I hope it's all just fluff right now. I hope they just want some food, we give them some and that's it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NoCalMike Report post Posted January 8, 2003 They are probobaly making all this hub-bub since we have threatened to cut off their oil supply numerous times. It all seems like political leverage, where back and forth it is just..."oh yeah, well I'm gonna...." I doubt it will amount to anything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted January 8, 2003 It wouldn't be much of a fight. Keep in mind during the Korean war that we were only 5 years removed from the biggest war the world's ever seen, and using much of the same equipment which was obsolete even THEN. Not to mention the weather and lack of a friendly land route into the country. If we went to war with them now, it would be even quicker than Desert Storm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kotzenjunge Report post Posted January 8, 2003 You can't possibly think that military statistics from 50 years ago are going to translate successfully to today. That's like saying that a few of us are going to contract smallpox because a lot of people got it 100 years ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Edwin MacPhisto Report post Posted January 8, 2003 A war with North Korea would end in massive American victory, as would a war with essentially any other individual nation in the world at this point. The only danger that nations like Korea pose is the threat of one or two damaging strikes--for example, a nuclear launch. After that, they'd be toast. Fortunately, I don't expect anything to really happen here. Korea is wound tightly, but Bush and co. are being smart about this one, letting the UN lead. Unlike Iraq, I think America has most of the world's support against North Korea, even if the end result is just keeping them in a harmless holding pattern. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dopey Report post Posted January 8, 2003 You can't possibly think that military statistics from 50 years ago are going to translate successfully to today. That's like saying that a few of us are going to contract smallpox because a lot of people got it 100 years ago. Kotzenjunge, you and Agent have a valid point. Technology has certainly come along way since the 50's. However, I personaly believe that there are weak points along the DMZ that a highly motivated, Soviet and Chinese armed North Korean army can take advantage of. Also, I'm sure you know this already, but for those looking in who don't, only 1/7th of all our 50,000 troops in S.K. and around the world for that fact, are actual ground-pound units (i.e. Infantry, Armor, Artillery.). So we would have 15,000 ground-pounders against how many angry N. Koreans and their Chinese allies? Look, I'm not saying we wouldn't win. I'm saying that if the N.K's and the PRC boys ran at us with two or three hundred thousand screaming commies, they could break through at certain points like between Ch'orwon and Yonch'on. And Munsan could probably only hold out for 1 day max. Our boys who are in-country right now would only be able to slow them down. I don't think they have the necassary fire power to stop them completly. We'd probably get pushed to Anyang and Songnam before reinforcements could arrive. Then we could mount a counter-offensive and drive them back up north. And this would take time and lots of body bags. Which brings me back to, 'could modern day America really take that kind of blood shed???' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Edwin MacPhisto Report post Posted January 8, 2003 Dopey, I don't think there will ever be a major ground war again, unless something drastic changes the entire military structure of the world. We don't fight on the ground any more. We annihilate on the ground. Everything's done through bombs and surgical strikes, and ground forces these days serve little more purpose than steamroll/mop-up duty. It is entirely conceivably that a united North Korean front could take out US ground troops with superior numbers, but I STRONGLY doubt that the US--or the UN, for that matter--would ever allow it to come to the ground-pounders. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Hamburglar Report post Posted January 8, 2003 China would not help North Korea. No way. They don't need to, seeing as once America attacks Iraq China will move on Taiwan, as the US will no longer effectively be able to protest at China throwing its weight around. You're all looking at the North Korean danger from the wrong perspective. No, its not such a threat to the US troops or mainland. However, it most certainly threatens South Korea and Japan. Very badly. Its estimated that the North Koreans have 11,000 artillery units in range of soul. Something around 100 - 500,000 shells would hit Seoul on the first day of war. They can hit Japan with ballistic missiles carrying biological and chemical agents, or maybe even a nuke. All of this would be enough to majorly fuck up the Asian economy, which has terrible knock-on effects for the US and the rest of the world. The very existence of North Korean nukes could make Japan revise its non-nuclear stance. That would then push them into an arms race with China. All in all, that region is in danger of becoming seriously unstable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dopey Report post Posted January 8, 2003 China would not help North Korea. No way. They don't need to, seeing as once America attacks Iraq China will move on Taiwan, as the US will no longer effectively be able to protest at China throwing its weight around. You're all looking at the North Korean danger from the wrong perspective. No, its not such a threat to the US troops or mainland. However, it most certainly threatens South Korea and Japan. Very badly. Its estimated that the North Koreans have 11,000 artillery units in range of soul. Something around 100 - 500,000 shells would hit Seoul on the first day of war. They can hit Japan with ballistic missiles carrying biological and chemical agents, or maybe even a nuke. All of this would be enough to majorly fuck up the Asian economy, which has terrible knock-on effects for the US and the rest of the world. The very existence of North Korean nukes could make Japan revise its non-nuclear stance. That would then push them into an arms race with China. All in all, that region is in danger of becoming seriously unstable. Thanx Hamburglar, now I won't be able to sleep tonight. Just goofing. You have a valid point. I never thought about it like that. China could move in on Taiwan in that senerio and we would be pretty much helpless. Darn those crazy North Koreans! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest nikowwf Report post Posted January 14, 2003 1) They have no ballistics that can hit our west coast. NONE. Not sure where you got that. 2) Take everything out FAST. A tactical nuke may be in order. Seriously, that would be such a fucked up situation. They could take out Seoul, a lot of South Korea and good portions of japan in about a day. Don't give them any time. BOMB BOMB BOMB and hope they dont get scared and start lobbing nasty stuff. niko Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RobJohnstone Report post Posted January 14, 2003 I am pretty sure they have ballictics that can reach us. Why else are we building start wars II in alaska? --Rob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
