Should the Owen Tribute be a part of

[Guest Dangerous A]

Do you think that the Raw tribute to Owen should be part of the Raw 10th anniversary? This show is showcasing the favorite moments of Raw, but does this show belong in that category? Should this show be seen as something different than Foley talking through a sock or Austin spraying beer on the Rock and the McMahons? Why would you think that a show featuring the greatest tragedy of modern wrestling be honored along sides of skits and features that are borderline offensive? Especially considering how WWE handled the Owen situation (such as countersuing Owen's widow when she deserves every cent she could get for their negligence) shouldn't this particular Raw stay off of the 10th anniversary show?

 

 

Discuss.

[Guest EternallyLazy]

I think so. I doubt they'll present it as "one of the greatest moments in RAW's history... the death of Owen Hart." I'm sure it will be in a section all in it's own, as one of the darker chapters in WWE history. Why shouldn't it be mentioned? It was one of the most memorable shows in the history of wrestling... should we just pretend that it didn't happen?

[Guest Banky]

I think so. I doubt they'll present it as "one of the greatest moments in RAW's history... the death of Owen Hart." I'm sure it will be in a section all in it's own, as one of the darker chapters in WWE history. Why shouldn't it be mentioned? It was one of the most memorable shows in the history of wrestling... should we just pretend that it didn't happen?

The fact everyone poured their hearts out and told what a great guy Owen was made the show memorable. It would be more of an honor that threw all the wrestling bullshit that an emotional show like that is what everyone remembers.

[Guest Dopey]

If you're looking at it from the standpoint of Vince trying to profit from a tragedy; no.

 

If you're seeing it from an emotional point of view, i.e. 'that really touched me, and I think it helped the wrestlers deal with pain.' Then yes.

 

I see both sides of the coin on this one.

[Guest EternallyLazy]

If you're looking at it from the standpoint of Vince trying to profit from a tragedy; no.

 

If you're seeing it from an emotional point of view, i.e. 'that really touched me, and I think it helped the wrestlers deal with pain.' Then yes.

 

I see both sides of the coin on this one.

How would he profit from it? Believe me... the show is going to get the same rating regardless of whether Raw IS Owen is mentioned or not

[Guest bob_barron]

Definetley put it on there. It'd be a crime not to.

 

Just have them introduce it by saying:

Owen Hart was one of the greatest superstars to ever grace RAW. His tragic death shocked and saddened everyone assoicated with wrestling. WWF/E decided to put together a special show in Owen's memory-.

 

Then roll the clips and then fade to black and cut to commercial.

[Guest Downhome]

No it should not, and I'm insulted that it is being a part of it. It should win a special award like "Most Memorable Moment", but NOTHING having to do with the best/greatest RAW moment.

 

If they give that show the best/greatest RAW moment, I do not think I'll ever be able to respect WWE again, nor the fans that vote it the greatest/best RAW moment.

[Guest bob_barron]

So the 'greatest RAW moment' can't be the WWF superstars coming together and holding a special show in honour of one of their friend?

[Guest Downhome]

So the 'greatest RAW moment' can't be the WWF superstars coming together and holding a special show in honour of one of their friend?

Not in my opinion, no. I found nothing about that show being the "greatest" moment of all time. Sad yes, memorable totally, but the greatest?

 

Not hardly.

[Guest The Old Me]

The greatest moment? No, but it should be included on the show. RAW is OWEN is a tape I still watch once or twice a year and I grow to appreciate it more each time.

[Guest Downhome]

The greatest moment? No, but it should be included on the show. RAW is OWEN is a tape I still watch once or twice a year and I grow to appreciate it more each time.

Yes, it SHOULD be on the show, just not voted the best/greatest moment. I still have it on tape also, and I tear up every time. Owen was one of my favorites BEFORE he died, and I liked him MORE than Bret, BEFORE he died.

[Guest HartFan86]

Why not? People still talk about 9/11 that changed this country forever. Owen's death changed sports entertainment forever.

[Guest The Old Me]

The greatest moment?  No, but it should be included on the show.  RAW is OWEN is a tape I still watch once or twice a year and I grow to appreciate it more each time.

Yes, it SHOULD be on the show, just not voted the best/greatest moment. I still have it on tape also, and I tear up every time. Owen was one of my favorites BEFORE he died, and I liked him MORE than Bret, BEFORE he died.

Then we agree. You're probably one of the few that loved Owen more than Bret before his death. I didn't fully appreciate Owen when he was alive. He was always a great midcarder and funny as hell and could main event a show with anyone. You never know what you've got until it's gone.

[Guest Downhome]

The greatest moment?  No, but it should be included on the show.  RAW is OWEN is a tape I still watch once or twice a year and I grow to appreciate it more each time.

Yes, it SHOULD be on the show, just not voted the best/greatest moment. I still have it on tape also, and I tear up every time. Owen was one of my favorites BEFORE he died, and I liked him MORE than Bret, BEFORE he died.

Then we agree. You're probably one of the few that loved Owen more than Bret before his death. I didn't fully appreciate Owen when he was alive. He was always a great midcarder and funny as hell and could main event a show with anyone. You never know what you've got until it's gone.

You are right about never knowing what you've got untill it's gone. Even though I loved him so much, I never REALLY realized how much I enjoyed him untill I heard he was gone, same goes for many other wrestlers who died. I knew that Owen was one of my moments the moment that he turned on Bret at the 1994 Royal Rumble and cut what I call one of, if not THE most emotional Pro. Wrestling promo of all time. I followed his career in the states even before that, but at that moment I realized he really had "it".

[Guest HartFan86]

I think it's pretty much given Owen Hart was the most underrated WWF superstar ever.

[Guest Dangerous A]

I don't feel that the context of this show (greatest moments) is where the Raw is Owen should be. I really feel it inappropriate that WWE puts the Owen tribute on a show where we will see such things as Austin spraying the ring with beer, Kaientai preparing to cut off Val's dick, and whatever else makes the show. Raw is Owen should be left alone. Is Raw is Owen the most memorable Raw? Hell yes it was. But I don't feel it should be on this particular show, especially how WWE handled the situation. WWE countersued Martha Hart, gave members of the Hart family jobs they didn't deserve just to shut them up and bragged about how much they spent in flowers for Owen's funeral. For them to trot out the footage from R is O on the Best of 2002 show to prime everybody for the 10th anniversary show and saying "hey, we're going to show our most memorable show for you" is just wrong in my opinion. I understand how some of you think it should be on and you are not wrong. It was memorable and you want to relive that. You are not wrong for that. But I think WWE is wrong for putting it on in this context. I don't think Owen's death, even a classy rememberance of him, is what I would call a "best moment" of Raw. It wasn't a best moment period. Meltzer had a real good analogy to this in the Observer this week. He said he sees it like if he were to be driving drunk with a wrestler, then he crashed and killed the wrestler and then he writes a bio on him, then brags about how much he spends on flowers for the wrestlers funeral, then countersues his wife, then gets into it with his brother which has nothing to do with anything, then offers his family jobs whether they are qualified or not which rips the family apart to the point where some of them don't even want to see Owen's kids, then a 10th anniversary issue comes is on the verge of coming out and on his website he proudly puts up the bio as one of his favorite pieces.

 

I'm not saying that whoever thinks Raw is Owen should be on is wrong. I just choose not to relive the greatest tragedy in wrestling in this context. That is my argument. I will not be watching this show for that reason. If I want to remember Owen, I'll watch one of his classic matches or get ahold of Raw is Owen.

[Guest Michael Joel Benoit]

I too, don't think RAW Is Owen should be on the 10th anniversary show. It just doesn't go with the flow of the show. Unless they do a special tribute at the beginning of the show. Still just picture it:

 

Vince or WWE Annoucer: And now. A special look back at the special Owen Hart Tribute RAW May 24, 1999.

 

RAW IS Owen Tribute package.

 

After commercial break: Now, Austin's Beer Bath on Mr. McMahon, Shane, and The Rock! Or Sable Undressed! Or something to that effect.

 

It won't go with the show.

[Guest The Old Me]

I'm not saying that whoever thinks Raw is Owen should be on is wrong. I just choose not to relive the greatest tragedy in wrestling in this context. That is my argument. I will not be watching this show for that reason. If I want to remember Owen, I'll watch one of his classic matches or get ahold of Raw is Owen.

You have a very valid point, one that I can surely see light in. I like to think of Raw is Owen as "the boys" farewell for him, not Vince's. It is the true heart and emotion that was displayed by Owen's colleagues that make me want to see a few clips from it. Screw Vince and the image he wanted to uphold after Owen's death, I long for the footage because of their true sentiment.

[Guest Downhome]

I too, don't think RAW Is Owen should be on the 10th anniversary show. It just doesn't go with the flow of the show. Unless they do a special tribute at the beginning of the show. Still just picture it:

 

Vince or WWE Annoucer: And now. A special look back at the special Owen Hart Tribute RAW May 24, 1999.

 

RAW IS Owen Tribute package.

 

After commercial break: Now, Austin's Beer Bath on Mr. McMahon, Shane, and The Rock! Or Sable Undressed! Or something to that effect.

 

It won't go with the show.

What if at the very end of the show, after all is said and done, they say "we now leave you with the most emotional and memorable moment in RAW history, in dedication to one of the greatest wrestlers, friends, and fathers of all time...Owen Hart" and then show a small clip of him in matches while having the guys saying things about him from the show, and then the show goes off.

[Guest HartFan86]

I can see that happening, but do you really want to close the show on a sad note (despite the fact it's one of the biggest moments ever in wrestling)?

[Guest Michael Joel Benoit]

But do you want the RAW 10th Anniversary show to end on a sad note?

 

I would think they would end it with a special look back on all 10 years of RAW set to the RAW theme songs or some other song.

 

Or they could do what they did in the WWF Attitude video game: After the credits roll, put Owen's picture on screen with "In Memory of Owen Hart" written at the bottom and let it stay there for a few minutes. Then show the WWE logo like they do at the end of shows. Then fade to black.

[Guest Downhome]

I can see that happening, but do you really want to close the show on a sad note (despite the fact it's one of the biggest moments ever in wrestling)?

Well I'd do it at the begining or ending, take your pick.

[Guest NoCalMike]

Well, yes the show was memorable in the best way because everyone broke character and let us have a peak into how the really felt about a "co-worker" but remember why they did it in the first place, because someone died. So in my opinion it should not be associated with all the other moments that are going to be included. Like someone mentioned before...

 

Coach:Yes, that was probobaly the saddest moment in the history of the WWE.....umm, ermm...well up next, "Milk does a body good" and "Beer bath courtesy of the Rattlesnake"

 

How could that NOT leave a bad taste in your mouth?