Guest cynicalprofit Posted January 11, 2003 Report Posted January 11, 2003 Telling kids to wait untill marriage answers 0 questions so they kids go and figure it out themselves. I still dont get this, the adults fucked when they were our age, and they think telling us to say no to sex is gonna work when it didnt work for them.
Guest DrTom Posted January 11, 2003 Report Posted January 11, 2003 Basically any 10th grader who is going to have sex ... is going to have sex. While that's true, it's avery defeatist attitude. I have no problems with teaching them about the merits of abstincence, as well as how to be safe -- it's the job of schools to educate, after all. But I don't think schools should be supplying condoms. They can teach kids where to get them, and even where to get them for free, but schools shouldn't be passing them out. ... but regardless they wouldn't be "encouraged" by a condom. You sure? Maybe instead of making out with his girlfriend, a guy decides sex is Ok because he has a condom. The problem is, they're not foolproof, and teens aren't going to think about that while their hormones are kicking up a storm. Schools passing out condoms might as well be passing out false senses of security.
Guest EricMM Posted January 11, 2003 Report Posted January 11, 2003 I still maintain that a kid who is going to have sex with his girlfriend would do it with or without a condom. The relationship between two people is far more relevant than whether or not you have a condom. I'm not saying the relationships at that age are usually particularly good but they aren't based around the ownership of condoms
Guest CoreyLazarus416 Posted January 11, 2003 Report Posted January 11, 2003 The sex-ed course at my school teaches about everything from protection to abstinence, and both about the pro's and con's of sexual activity. Pretty good course, and taught everybody different kinds of birth control methods. What works (condoms, spermicide), what doesn't (rhythm method, pulling out), and the sort.
Guest HecateRose Posted January 11, 2003 Report Posted January 11, 2003 SW?ILBB (and yes, it's me again), I am going to clarify something for you. I don't see sex as a sin. That is how I see it. I am not going to suffer from eternal damnation for thinking that way. To put it bluntly, I am not Christian/Catholic/any other religion that thinks that way. I have no problem with people who believe that, they have a right to their opinion just as much as I have to mine. Don't get me wrong though, I do have a strong spiritual side. Now, just because I don't think it's a sin, does not make me (or anyone else who thinks that way) immoral by default. I am a very moral person. I believe it is wrong the hurt anyone or anything intentionally. At the same time, I am realistic. I would much rather sit down and have a mature conversation with my child (suggesting I ever have any) about sex; the meaning of it, the contraceptive options, the consequences if they don't use anything/it fails, safety measures (ie finding out if your partner has been tested for STDs/if they are sleeping with anyone else), etc. I honestly belive that would be a better approach then trying to drill the fact that it's "a sin" into their heads, which in the end has the potential to cause more harm then good (I have seen the bad side of that kind of teaching, it's not pretty at all). My parents did not raise me with the mentality that sex was a "sin," they told me the pros and cons when I was old enough to understand them, and I respected what they had to say. In the end, I made good choices because of what they taught me, not because they tried to scare me into being abstinent. So now, I have a healthy attitude towards sex and sexuality. If they had not taught me the way they did, I might not be able to make that claim.
Guest Samurai_Goat Posted January 12, 2003 Report Posted January 12, 2003 Having been raised by the same parents as HecateRose, I can say she is telling the truth, mom and dad did a very good job in simply telling us the truth. And I also believe sex is not a sin. But, hey, guess what? I've never been preached to from the bible, never been to a church service, and, believe it or not, I've never had the full 100% (or even 17.5%) certainty that Jesus is the son of God. But, guess what? I've never done drugs, never had sex, and never seriously injured anyone my entire life. (Well, I pulled out my sisters hair when I was a toddler, but that was hardly life threatening.) You don't need the Bible, all you need is people who care about you enough to tell you the truth.
Guest CoreyLazarus416 Posted January 12, 2003 Report Posted January 12, 2003 I'm somewhat along the same lines as Samurai and Hecate. I've never been to a Church service outside of the Christening of a baby in my family, my great-grandmother's memorial service, or my friend Timmay's funeral. And guess what? I don't drink, I abide to most laws, I don't do drugs, and I'm not out fucking everything with spread legs. But guess who is in my school? The same people that tell me I'm going to hell because I choose to wear a Slayer shirt and listen to Megadeth. You don't need religious rules and laws and commandments to know the difference between right and wrong. Stop saying you do.
Guest Ravenbomb Posted January 12, 2003 Report Posted January 12, 2003 ..."But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you,... For this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them." Ephesians 4:3-7 Teach the Word of God. Stop being evil. Stop telling kids it's ok to sin (fornicate) then when you get pregnant get an abortion (murder). ---^ ..."for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience." Keep teaching evil is ok, and more wrath is coming our way. Tell kids, don't! If you do, you will live with the consequences. They shall not make baldness upon their head, neither shall they shave off the corner of their beard, nor make any cuttings in their flesh. -Leviticus 19:27 and while we're at it, tell those hippies NOT to get a hair cut!
Guest cynicalprofit Posted January 12, 2003 Report Posted January 12, 2003 If you didnt know Jesus was a pot smoking hippie, ya do now.
Guest Agent of Oblivion Posted January 12, 2003 Report Posted January 12, 2003 "And God said, 'Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed which is upon the face of all the earth...' -Genesis 1:29
Guest AnnieEclectic Posted January 13, 2003 Report Posted January 13, 2003 I can't wait to hear what Dopey thinks about the boards Leading Lesbian. Or, for that matter, Pagans on the whole. I'm sure that it will be a meaningful dialogue filled with love and learning. .... I was in sex ed in school not-too-long ago. I was taught about condoms, dental dams, the different problems that could occur from hetero and homo sex.... and that if you wanted to be 100% safe, abstain. That was the overall lesson. This is what you can do to protect yourself if you do but ultamatly you're safer not doing it. To reinforce this, pictures of people with different advanced cases of STDs were shown. After that, you don't want to have sex ever. EVER. I think pure unadulterated unfiltered truth helps more than subterfuge and subtlety. -Annie
Guest Ravenbomb Posted January 18, 2003 Report Posted January 18, 2003 hey A&E, the bottom right angle in the axis of evil, is that Bones from Star Trek?
Guest Agent of Oblivion Posted January 19, 2003 Report Posted January 19, 2003 Dammit, George, I'm a doctor, not a politician!
Guest HecateRose Posted January 20, 2003 Report Posted January 20, 2003 Well Annie, I'm sorry but you're never gonna know what Dopey has to say on the matter.
Guest DrTom Posted January 21, 2003 Report Posted January 21, 2003 That's John Ashcroft on the bottom right, btw.
Guest So what? I liked bubble boy Posted January 22, 2003 Report Posted January 22, 2003 I can't wait to hear what Dopey thinks about the boards Leading Lesbian. Sorry, but Dr. Tom kicked Dopey off this weekend, I however have the same beliefs/views as Dopey does. He and I would say that having Sex before marriage is a sin and that it is wrong in God's eyes.
Guest Kotzenjunge Posted January 22, 2003 Report Posted January 22, 2003 Because we all know that when people are married, any STDs they may have just poof, go away.
Guest HecateRose Posted January 23, 2003 Report Posted January 23, 2003 Ummm . . . Bubbles, why did you quote Annie, and then say something that has nothing to do with the portion you quoted?
Guest Samurai_Goat Posted January 23, 2003 Report Posted January 23, 2003 I think Bubbles thought Annie was saying "I wonder what Dopey thinks about my opinion of sex ed", Hecate.
Guest JMA Posted January 29, 2003 Report Posted January 29, 2003 I think the whole "abstinence only" thing is too motivated by Judeo-Christian beliefs. I'd prefer a more secular look into sex (both hetero and homo). I don't even like the concept of marriage (nevermind the fact that it goverment regulated). I'd prefer sex education that didn't try to force someone else's morality on you. One that doesn't use scare tactics.
Guest Crazy Dan Posted February 3, 2003 Report Posted February 3, 2003 I am for teaching both abstinence and safe sex procedures. I think the more you educate kids, the more likely they will make the right decision. Teaching abstinence-only, albeit might put off kids having sex, it opens a whole bunch of problems later on, when they do in fact decide to have sex, and they don't use any protection at all. Not only are they opening themselves to a higher chance of disease, but also to the potential of getting pregnant. While we are on this topic, can someone please tell me why Buch cut a 35 million program overseas, which helped with family planning as well as other safe sex information, for a 100 million dollar program which promotes absitnence only? And for all you people who say the bible only wants you to wait till you get married and stuff like that. Just remember, back when the Bible was written, the age most people were getting married was around 13-15 years old. Mainly because most people didn't live past there twenties. So that belief was mainly written for kids. and since people are living way past their twenties, this is an idea which is completely outdated and has no relevance in this day and age.
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