Guest saturnmark4life Report post Posted January 12, 2003 I think he comes off as very articulate and non-confrontational without hiding what he thinks here - punkrock icon Henry Rollins recently questioned U2 activist frontman Bono's motives in getting involved in so many causes, implying in no uncertain terms that the Irish singer may be using his high-profile involvement in politics to promote the group's current "greatest hits" album. "I think if the guy is doing something, it's better than nothing —— but I just wonder if he's following through." Although Rollins is in no way a U2 fan, he respects Bono's convictions, maybe. "I hate this guy's music, but I like the idea of absolving Third World debt, because otherwise these people are going to die," he said. "So if he's using all that rock-star power, well, right on. Like he's Mr. Africa Third World Debt Guy, which is a huge issue, but now, he's Mr. AIDS Guy. Well, wait a minute, how did you go from Third World debt to AIDS?" Rollins is skeptical about the timing of the activism as well, "Is this a crusade or really good promo for U2's new Greatest Hits album? I have to think his heart's in the right place. I think he's a boring singer, but I don't think he's a bad man." Source: Blabbermouth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Youth N Asia Report post Posted January 12, 2003 He did an interview on on the Drew and Mike show on WRIF in Detroit...he went on this long rampage on how he wanted to beat up Bono Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CoreyLazarus416 Report post Posted January 12, 2003 Then he probably said "TAKE YOUR VITAMINS, DRINK MINERAL WATER, AND DON'T LIE, BROTHER! Oh...and watch that show I host on TLC..." He "Hanked" up... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Renegade Report post Posted January 12, 2003 If thats the way he sees it then so be it, but: Bono > Rollins Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest saturnmark4life Report post Posted January 12, 2003 I can see how beating the living fuck out of Bono would be good for a laugh...then he could set up aid for himself, if he hasn't already. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Hamburglar Report post Posted January 12, 2003 Bono rules. Why does he do so many of these causes? Because he's Bono and he can. Bono rules. U2 rule. Anyone who says otherwise must be prepared for the unpleasant sensation of Pineapple Sodomy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest saturnmark4life Report post Posted January 12, 2003 Bono rules. Why does he do so many of these causes? Because he's Bono and he can. Bono rules. U2 rule. Anyone who says otherwise must be prepared for the unpleasant sensation of Pineapple Sodomy. been there done that it was at a U2 show, actually. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest raptor Report post Posted January 12, 2003 I've always enjoyed listening to Henry Rollins speak. He's always pretty articulate, and never falls into the "so and so sucks" argument. He even said that if he's wrong he's more than happy with what Bono's doing. Maybe it helps that I've always had the same feelings about Bono himself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Gamengiri2002 Report post Posted January 12, 2003 To throw in my two cents Damaged > The Joshua Tree thus Black Flag > U2 and to finalize Rollins > Bono Good day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted January 12, 2003 To throw in my two cents Damaged > The Joshua Tree thus Black Flag > U2 and to finalize Rollins > Bono Good day. Achtung Baby > Damaged U2 > Black Flag (Call me when they completely change the music scene for the decade in which they debuted) Bono > Rollins Oh, and you go from African debt to AIDS, because AIDS, if you havn't noticed, is quite extreme in Africa. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Insanityman Report post Posted January 12, 2003 Hmmm... I hate U2 and I don't mind Rollins. Either way, Henry brings out a few points, not quite good points, but Henry > Bono. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted January 12, 2003 Hmmm... I hate U2 and I don't mind Rollins. Either way, Henry brings out a few points, not quite good points, but Henry > Bono. Rollins has never done anything though. He was big in the metal scene, but he never innovated anything. I think U2 was instramental in the end of the new wave era and the beginning of the alternative musica era. They also brought elctronica to mainstream America with the brilliant "Achtung baby" I can understand you don't like their music, but Bono>Rollins Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooseCannon Report post Posted January 12, 2003 Damaged is widely considered the seminal hardcore punk album, and was "innovative" within its genre. Not that "innovation" matters that much, when it's a question of sucking vs not-sucking. U2 and Rollins both are generally in the former category, while Damaged is in the latter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Insanityman Report post Posted January 12, 2003 Yeah, I guess Bono > Rollins when you look at it that way. Shouldn't give the guy any less props- even if I hate his band. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted January 12, 2003 Damaged is widely considered the seminal hardcore punk album, and was "innovative" within its genre. Not that "innovation" matters that much, when it's a question of sucking vs not-sucking. U2 and Rollins both are generally in the former category, while Damaged is in the latter. Sucking is a relative term. WAR, THE UNFORGETTABLE FIRE, THE JOSHUA TREE, and ACHTUNG BABY are all masterpieces. I actually own DAMAGED but I don't consider it as great to it's genre as any of U2's albums I listed were to the alternitive music scene. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Coffin Surfer Report post Posted January 12, 2003 Not only did Black Flag help pioneer hardcore(the punk and the more metal type). Along with Flipper and The Melvins, Black Flag also played a huge role in influencing what later would be known as the Grunge and modern Sludge Metal movement. So in short they had a much bigger influence on mainstream alternative artists than U2. Alternative rock was already around throughout most of the 80s, though it either fell into hardcore, postpunk, or college rock category. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted January 12, 2003 Not only did Black Flag help pioneer hardcore(the punk and the more metal type). Along with Flipper and The Melvins, Black Flag also played a huge role in influencing what later would be known as the Grunge and modern Sludge Metal movement. So in short they had a much bigger influence on mainstream alternative artists than U2. Alternative rock was already around throughout most of the 80s, though it either fell into hardcore, postpunk, or college rock category. I disagree. Mainstream Alternative is like the Smashing Pumpkins, REM, some Pearl Jam, etc. etc. I think the alternative scene really recievbed it's first shot in the arm when WAR by U2 and DOCUMENT by REM were released back-to-back. As I child of the 80's I can tell you it was the first thing that made me think, "Wait a minute... Motley Crue sucks!" I place Black Flag more in the Punk Rock genre. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Incandenza Report post Posted January 12, 2003 Even though U2 sold an assload more than Black Flag ever did, the latter band's influence was far more reaching in the music scene than U2's. When discussing art, commercial matters are irrelevant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CoreyLazarus416 Report post Posted January 13, 2003 When discussing art, the lesser-knowns are usually the more influential. And I'm downright offended at the calling of an OLD-SCHOOL HARDCORE PUNK band a METAL band. BLACK FLAG IS NOT METAL. HEAVY =/= METAL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest nl5xsk1 Report post Posted January 13, 2003 Personally, I think both Rollins and Bono are full of shit. Rollins for quitting SOA to join Black Flag with next to no warning. (and for changing his name from Henry Garfield to Henry Rollins) Bono for being so preachy. Both think that they know it all, and neither realize that they're just musicians. And I can't let people give Rollins to much credit for the Black Flag sound, and it's influence. Greg Ginn had so much more to do with that then Rollins did. (Plus, the band was cooler with Dez or Morris singing) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CoreyLazarus416 Report post Posted January 13, 2003 Off on a Black Flag tangent...but Dez is fucking SCARY looking. If any of you have ever seen a picture of the black metal musician Mortiis...note the eery resemblance between Mortiis's MASK and Dez's ACTUAL FACE... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Incandenza Report post Posted January 13, 2003 I thought the absurdity of calling Black Flag "metal" warranted no mentioning. I mean come on! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest nl5xsk1 Report post Posted January 13, 2003 Calling them metal is a complete farce, but they ... like a ton of the punk/hardcore bands ... did border on metal for a while there. For example, My War and Loose Nut ... they didn't change nearly as bad as Gang Green or DYS, but still ... they weren't punk at that point. Still, they're better than U2 to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Coffin Surfer Report post Posted January 13, 2003 Well I don't know if y'all are talking about me. But I never called Black Flag metal, READ THE FUCKING POST MORE CAREFULLY Just because you see Black Flag and Metal in the same sentence, doesn't mean the sentence read Black Flag is a metal band. No wonder I don't post in this forum, you people don't even read a damn post before jump down someone's throat. My post read, Black Flag helped pioneer hardcore(the punk and the MORE metal type) Lets break that sentence down, I think the MORE is a very key work. Like it or not, but on albums such as the mentioned "My War"(personal fav. of theirs by the way), Black Flag helped lay down the ground work for the slower groove orientated Hardcore Bands of the 90s. Specifically the New York scene bands like Biohazard. While this Hardcore is not really punk or metal, it certaintly shares more similarites with metal than punk. Hence the phrase more metal. In the future, read more carefully. Oh, and saying that Black Flag influenced early 90s Sludge Metal is completely different than saying Black Flag is 90s Sludge Metal. And Yes, Ginn most defiently was the genious behind Black Flag, not Rollins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Incandenza Report post Posted January 13, 2003 Well I don't know if y'all are talking about me. But I never called Black Flag metal, READ THE FUCKING POST MORE CAREFUL. Just because you see Black Flag and Metal in the same sentence, doesn't mean the sentence read Black Flag is a metal band. No wonder I don't post in this forum, you people don't even read a damn post before jump down someone's throat. Easy, tiger. I direct your attention to the following quote, from that Zsasz fellow: Rollins has never done anything though. He was big in the metal scene, but he never innovated anything. That occured before you even appeared in the thread, so all the derisive comments weren't about you. Care to get pissy about anything else? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Coffin Surfer Report post Posted January 13, 2003 Well I don't know if y'all are talking about me. But I never called Black Flag metal, READ THE FUCKING POST MORE CAREFUL. Just because you see Black Flag and Metal in the same sentence, doesn't mean the sentence read Black Flag is a metal band. No wonder I don't post in this forum, you people don't even read a damn post before jump down someone's throat. Easy, tiger. I direct your attention to the following quote, from that Zsasz fellow: Rollins has never done anything though. He was big in the metal scene, but he never innovated anything. That occured before you even appeared in the thread, so all the derisive comments weren't about you. Care to get pissy about anything else? Boy if you though that was pissy, but seriously I don't even see how saying Rollins was big in the Metal Scene is calling Black Flag metal. The first mention of this Black Flag heavy metal stuff was Corey's which was made after my post with no quote. Easy to see how I misunderstood. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Incandenza Report post Posted January 13, 2003 Whether or not he meant it, Zsasz was implying that Rollins was metal. Whether or not he was talking about his work with Black Flag or the Rollins Band (and, given the direction of the thread, I'm assuming the former) is moot; neither band is/was metal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kinetic Report post Posted January 13, 2003 That's some pretty spurious reasoning on the part of Rollins. Isn't Bono always involved in activism, regardless of whether or not he's got an album to promote? Hasn't he been since very early in his band's career, even when they obviously didn't need any more publicity? I dislike Bono as much as anyone else, but I don't think there's any questioning his convictions when it comes to the causes he supports. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kibagami Report post Posted January 13, 2003 Rollins was probably just looking for a reason to take a shot at Bono. It's no big secret that he's not a fan of Bono or his music, worthwhile causes be damned. And while Ginn obviously deserves much of the credit for Flag's success, they wouldn't have their current mystique, if you will, without Rollins rolling around in broken glass and letting people put their cigars out on his back and other weird shit. Besides, if Ginn was really so goddamned brilliant and Rollins was just incidental, Gone would've done more than stand around and suck, I like to think. K. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lethargic Report post Posted January 13, 2003 I already hated U2 before. But now that I've heard that Ramones tribute with U2 doing Beat on the Brat, I hate that band more than any band ever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
