More America/Canada griping

[Guest Vern Gagne]

The U.S. would step up if alot of countries were attacked. Canada, Great Britian, South Korea, Isreal. Hell we'd probably do the same thing for France and Germany.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

But those are more diplomatic in nature rather than geographic. Note the Atlantic Ocean. If Canada gets attacked America is getting attacked.

[Guest bob_barron]

We technically did not elect him but George Bush did win the presidency fair and square.

That's a joke, right? You're not looking to get brutally ripped to shreds by the tons of the facts that state evidence to the contrary, right? 'Cause it can easily be done.

 

Step One: Think.

 

Step Two: Type.

 

Your priorities seem to be a little upside-down on that one.

No it's not a joke. Even though he did not win the popular vote he did win the required electoral votes to become President. Every recount done of the state of Florida has shown Bush to have won the state.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

The state that his brother governs... Err yeah. That sure is fair and square.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Here are my comments on the election: Gore deserved to lose. He had the presidency in the bag and he knew it - so he did everything half assed. He couldnt even win his own state for crying out loud. Watching the presidential debates Gore only called Bush out on one thing and that was during the Town Meeting and bush folded like Superman on Laundry day. Gore wasn't viscous enough and he lost the election. Bush didn't deserve to win, but he won by default...Crappy american political system.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

Don't bad mouth a political system that's worked for 215 years. Just because the guy you don't like won, doesn't make the system crappy.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

*Watches "Talking To Americans", Watches Bush repeatedly name the wrong person as Canada's Prime Minister*

 

No Sir. George Bush Is NOT a moron.

 

 

I'd also like to add that Canada does depend somewhat on America for protection but It's a fair deal as America is getting water and electricity from Canada. Not to mention how we let them play god with our laws. America broke The NAFTA treaty when they taxed Softwood Lumber coming into the states but we didn't say anything.

[Guest bob_barron]

The state that his brother governs... Err yeah. That sure is fair and square.

http://www.sptimes.com/News/111201/Lostvot...unt__Bush.shtml

 

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/20...floridamain.htm

 

http://www.janda.org/b20/News%20articles/bushwon.htm

 

All show that Bush won Florida

[Guest Angle-plex]

With all this fighting, I know there is at least one thing we can all agree on- Egypt is better than America and Canada combined.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

Ancient Egypt 0wned

[Guest Vern Gagne]

Ancient Greece was better!

[Guest treble charged]

Oh, PLEASE. The Greeks' army was WAY to small.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Don't bad mouth a political system that's worked for 215 years. Just because the guy you don't like won, doesn't make the system crappy.

 

A political system inwhich two parties rule, and they are basically the same... A political system where the majority DOESN'T vote. A political system which took HOW LONG to elect your last president? A democracy? More like a Monopoly.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Oh, and the Mongols rule!

 

...TAKE IT AND LIKE IT!

[Guest Vern Gagne]

Don't bad mouth a political system that's worked for 215 years. Just because the guy you don't like won, doesn't make the system crappy.

 

A political system inwhich two parties rule, and they are basically the same... A political system where the majority DOESN'T vote. A political system which took HOW LONG to elect your last president? A democracy? More like a Monopoly.

The two parties are not the same. Why do so many people think that? Like it or not this country has pretty much always been a two party country.

 

The people who don't vote have no reason too. Not liking the two-party system is no excuse.

 

The President wasn't elected because Gore couldn't expect the fact that he lost.

[Guest bob_barron]

A political system where a transfer in leadership is always peaceful sounds like a good one to me

[Guest Vern Gagne]

How does Canada's politicial system work exactly? Not trying to take shots, I was just wondering?

[Guest treble charged]

It's a Parliamentary (sp?) system. Members of Parliament are elected and whichever party has the most members elected gains power.

[Guest Jack Tunney]

Bah, Andorra is THE greatest country on Earth.Love it or leave it boys.

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

A bonus about Canada's political system is that it takes less then 24 hours for us to decide who our Prime Minster is.

[Guest DrTom]

Bushes evironmental agenda (or lack thereof) is directly related to him being in the pocket of oil men. This corruption also influences other parts of his presidency like the "War with Iraq" and the "War on Terrorism".

Every president’s agenda is influenced in some way by their largest supporters. It’s sine qua non to the system: if someone gives you a few million dollars, they expect you to at least listen to them. Which is worse: Bush easing environmental regulations, or Clinton and his cronies basically giving technology to Red China? BTW, our consumption of Middle Eastern oil has been on the decline for some time, so bark up another tree when looking for a reason to go after Iraq. I’d have no problems going after them as supporters of terrorism, both in terms of contributions to Al’Qaeda and their compensation of Palestinian homicide bombers.

 

Cut Environmental Protection Agency budget by $500 million.

They won’t starve on $7 billion and change.

 

Bah… I’m not going to try and counter all of those. I certainly don’t like all of Bush’s policies (particularly the Big Brother legislation enacted in the wake of September 11th), and I’ll agree with your griping about some of them, but on the whole, I think he’s done a good job. I vowed I would not vote to re-elect him, however, if John Ashcroft (whom I positively despise) were still AG in 2004. All indications are that he will be, so Mr. Bush will not get my vote next November.

 

I don't think you would deny that the US would immediately step in if an attack on Canada would occur.

Of course we would. The thing is, Canada can’t reciprocate in kind, which is why I said you get more benefit from the military cooperation than we do. Of course, we’d also step in on behalf of many other countries if they were attacked.

 

Again 'Stupid people say Stupid things'. Not a really hard concept to grasp.

No, it’s not. The problem is, you’re not applying it right.

 

The principle of 'stupid people say stupid things' is flawed?

No. Again, it’s your application of it. You’re taking example of a man misspeaking and rushing to the conclusion that a few fumbles in his speech make him “stupid” and “a moron.” It’s a very easy conclusion to draw, but it’s not accurate. Not everyone is a good speaker, and being one is not the in the requirements to become president. People can be eloquent writers and very intelligent, but become tongue-tied when making speeches. It doesn’t make them stupid.

 

Presidents getting a double standard than most people. That's just UNFAIR!

Double standards are, by definition, unfair.

 

I haven't really seen evidence of the contrary.

I’ve seen every televised speech the President has made, and one that wasn’t televised. He’s gotten a lot better at giving speeches, has gotten more comfortable at the podium, and has loosened up a good bit since he first took office. He’ll never be Bill Clinton in front of a microphone, but he’s been getting better. You’re either not paying attention or can’t look past your low opinion of Bush and watch his speeches objectively.

 

Once the audience goes beyond a thousand, let alone a million, the pressure to perform is the same. Things like that just become a statistic.

I doubt it. When you’re making speeches to your state, that’s one thing. When a billion people all around the world are watching, that’s something else again. A President’s words carry infinitely more weight than a governor’s, and the audience will be more interested in what he has to say.

 

He has infinite resources to help improve his public speaking - unfortunately, said resources can't really help his intelligence level.

You keep asking people to bring facts, and then you throw out cheap shots like that. Your bias is painfully obvious, and the fact that it’s obviously been influenced by a media agenda just makes it sad.

 

The press didn't have it in for him... Mmm hmm. You really want to go with that?

Clinton got a free ride from the American press (88% of whom voted Democrat in ’96, btw) until the Lewinsky scandal. Even then, it was rare to see him unloaded on with both barrels except when conservative columnists were taking the shots. Clinton was a neo-Socialist, an excellent speaker, related to people very well, and was young and charismatic – he was the darling of the American press.

 

Yep, still no facts. Once again, rather than actually responding to my point, you have just tried to duck it. Tom, c'mon, I don't want to do all the work here.

Don’t break your arm patting yourself on the back there, Skippy. You didn’t do a damn bit of work until a few posts ago, when you actually cited some examples of why you dislike Bush. Before that, all you were doing was throwing out opinions and simple generalizations. Don’t get your knickers in a twist when people respond in kind. It comes down to the fact that you dislike Bush, while I tend to like him – at least enough to give him the benefit of the doubt and not call him a moron because he messes up a word here and there. On that, we’re never going to agree, and facts won’t dissuade anyone.

 

The state that his brother governs... Err yeah. That sure is fair and square.

Three separate American newspapers – none of them known for a Republican bias – did independent recounts of the Florida votes. In all of their recounts, Bush won the state. His brother stepped out of the process early to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest. Bush won Florida, and everyone who’s still bitching about over two years later needs to put some sugar in their tea and just bloody accept it. Of course, Gore lost the race as much as Bush won it – on that, we CAN agree.

[Guest bob_barron]

A bonus about Canada's political system is that it takes less then 24 hours for us to decide who our Prime Minster is.

A bonus about America is that in most every other presidental election it was decided in less then 24 hrs

[Guest Vern Gagne]

A bonus about Canada's political system is that it takes less then 24 hours for us to decide who our Prime Minster is.

Bonus:2000 showed that the Electoral College works, and is in place for a reason.

 

 

Your founding fathers kick ass. Franklin, Jefferson, Adams, Hancock, and the Father of Our Country George Washington. Beat that Canada.

[Guest treble charged]

Just curious, but how did the 2000 election show that the electoral system worked? I mean, from an outsider's opinion, it showed that despite getting more votes, you can still lose an election.

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

Hopefully this Canadian Football Uniform isn't blasphemy or too ugly

 

paste this if the link fails: http://uniformexperiment.deep-ice.com/canada.html

 

but not as ugly as these Saints uniforms: http://uniformexperiment.deep-ice.com/newo...eanssaints.html

 

You can wear these helmets, but iron the uniforms: http://uniformexperiment.deep-ice.com/greg...roit_lions.html

 

I haven't noticed many great CFL helmets from one page except Calgary (maybe)

[Guest DrTom]

I mean, from an outsider's opinion, it showed that despite getting more votes, you can still lose an election.

You can. But then again, we don't elect presidents on the basis of the popular vote. The electoral college was put in place to deaden the influence of what would come to be called political machines. With the popular vote, tossing bribes in the big cities might put you over the top. With the electoral college, those cities still have to contend with the rest of the state, and that state against the other 49.

 

The 2000 election showed the system worked because it was given the time to work. A lot of people, particularly on Gore's side, wanted easy, incomplete solutions, with the rallying cry being that he'd won the popular vote. Given time, though, the system showed it worked, and independent verifications have confirmed that the right man won. It wasn't an immediate process this time, but it DID work.

[Guest EricMM]

America is very diverse, filled with people in diverse situations. Unless I am wrong, there are far more people living in cities or suburbs than there are living in rural areas.

 

It someone could bribe the hell out of California and New York, that person would have quite a sizable percentage of the vote.

 

If the popular vote was the only thing used, states like Wyoming would be totally ignored.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

They basically are anyway.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

Being a Canadian who has travelled through most of the US and Canada I have noticed:

 

1. There are plenty of ignorant Canadians that stupidly diss America.

 

2. There are plenty of ignorant Americans that stupidly diss Canada.

 

3. There are plenty of intelligent people on both sides of the border who see the good and bad of each country and realise they are different and neither is better than the other in an absolute sense.

 

4. (this is pure opinion) I prefer Canada/US to anywhere else I have been.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Beats the shit out of Mexico.