Guest PhillyDogg Report post Posted January 17, 2003 Since he is undefeated the WWE should of had him job cleanly to Scott Steiner because it would of helped Steiner and because he hasn't wrestled on TV since the last Nitro. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest snuffbox Report post Posted January 17, 2003 I think Bautista should lose to everyone...RVD, Booker, Goldust, Spike, ME, Nacho Guy, Gerry Brisco....everyone, just to eliminate the idea that 'big guys' are the best wrestlers. Itll take a while for vince to come to grips with it not being 1988 anymore. He shouldnt lose to Steiner tho, neither deserves to have their hand raised. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dillon Likes Bossman Report post Posted January 17, 2003 Make him put over Funaki. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Samurai_Goat Report post Posted January 17, 2003 Make him put over Nick Patrick, or Earl Hebner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest webmasterofwrestlegame Report post Posted January 17, 2003 Spike Dudley, in the first Shane McMahon owned RAW after he takes over from Bischoff. It'll be the RAW where all the good guys win before Shane turns heel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HHHater Report post Posted January 17, 2003 Lesnar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Matt Young Report post Posted January 17, 2003 Just for the record, good ol' Dave jobbed to Rikishi on Smackdown back in August when he was a Deacon. It was a major catalyst for the D-Von/Batista split. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted January 18, 2003 Allow me to give a serious response, if you don't mind, heh. In my view, Batista should keep playing up the role of monster. He should go on to destroy a few more people, and just make himself look unstopable, then when we all least expect it, a huge underdog should rise up and take him on, accept the challenge of Batista. It should be built up to a huge PPV match, in which this babyface will be owned durring much of the match, but in the end will overcome, showing that he is greater than his opponent. This type of angle can work, it's happened in the past. It would take someone truly special for it to work though, someone who the fans can truly get beind, and truly want to overcome Batista. Not only should the face be able do to that, but they should make Batista simply an unrelenting heel, as it takes TWO to tell a story. Have Batista do some very nasty things to some very popular people, then have a huge face take him on, in an UNDERDOG role. The guy would not have to be a huge face before hand, but instead, his beating Batista would then MAKE him a top babyface, that would be the purpose of this feud. Who can do it though, I am not sure. RVD is possible, as long as he goes out there and bumbs like mad for Batista. Booker T doesn't look like a guy who would fit the role, as he's quite big himself. Same goes for someone like Kane, he would have NO place in such a role. It would have to be a smaller guy who isn't already big himself, in order to make the match up look that much more in the favor of Batista. -------> See Vader vs. Ric Flair, Starcade '93, for an example of the PERFECT way to to this. The match would be something like that, preferably. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HHHater Report post Posted January 18, 2003 I really don't care who beats Batista, because all he has is a stiff clothesline (that hurts people legit) and an attitude problem. There is pretty much only one way to push a 6'5", 315-pound tattooed beast: the monster push. BUT...he's not ready and he doesn't deserve it. He should have been kept in OVW for another 2 years, or however long it takes him to learn how to work. There are loads of superior big men in WWE and OVW. So whoever beats Batista is cool with me...unless it's HHH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Old Me Report post Posted January 18, 2003 If Orton were a face, he'd be the perfect man to upset Batista. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest creativename Report post Posted January 18, 2003 I'll add that Batista jobbed to D'Von himself. I'd say RVD should beat Batista--and solidly at that (i.e., Batista as the heel should get most of the offense, but RVD should get a lot of offense as well). RVD, at this point in his career, has nothing to gain from a match where he's getting squashed throughout but then pulls out the "shock" win at the end. If you really wanted to do the underdog thing, Hurricane would be a good choice, except he's already lost to Batista in a minute, and losing to a jobber like Hurricane would ruin any midcarder's credibility (in the sad sad world that is the WWE). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted January 18, 2003 I really don't care who beats Batista, because all he has is a stiff clothesline (that hurts people legit) and an attitude problem. There is pretty much only one way to push a 6'5", 315-pound tattooed beast: the monster push. BUT...he's not ready and he doesn't deserve it. He should have been kept in OVW for another 2 years, or however long it takes him to learn how to work. There are loads of superior big men in WWE and OVW. So whoever beats Batista is cool with me...unless it's HHH. I can only interpret from that, you haven't ever seen Batista actually wrestle. He has put on some pretty good matches in OVW, and has a lot of potential, and most deffiently has more than just a "stiff clothesline". He is the perfect makings for what I described above. If Orton were a face, he'd be the perfect man to upset Batista. Indeed, but only if Orton had recieved SOME type of status before hand. You wouldn't want to just throw him at Batista. You must first create an emotional bond between fans and wrestler, before putting them in a feud such as that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Youth N Asia Report post Posted January 18, 2003 I don't think it matters too much, they're not pushing him as an "undefeated monster" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted January 18, 2003 I'll add that Batista jobbed to D'Von himself. I'd say RVD should beat Batista--and solidly at that (i.e., Batista as the heel should get most of the offense, but RVD should get a lot of offense as well). RVD, at this point in his career, has nothing to gain from a match where he's getting squashed throughout but then pulls out the "shock" win at the end. If you really wanted to do the underdog thing, Hurricane would be a good choice, except he's already lost to Batista in a minute, and losing to a jobber like Hurricane would ruin any midcarder's credibility (in the sad sad world that is the WWE). RVD is a possible choice as I said before, but I'm not totally sold on the idea. Whoever it is should be able to cut a promo after getting beaten up by "the monster", that would really stir the emotions of the fans. I don't know if he can do that or not, but it would be worth giving a shot I suppose. In the match, to tell the correct story it would be a vital MUST that Batista get in the majority of the offense, with a few "second winds" here and there. RVD's job would be to electrify the crowd at certain times in the match, and be a bump machine for the monster, untill at the very end, he sees the PERFECT opening, and takes advantage of it and puts together a great ending sequance which would put the fans on their feet, and COULD solidify him as a Main Eventer from that day onward. It's all about the emotional connection with the fans that WWE must create. RVD already has a good deal of that with him, he just needs an opening, that one shot to really set in stone. The Hurricane shouldn't be in this posistion, because whoever it is should be able to go on to bigger and better things, they should potentially be in the Main Events. That would be purpose of this entire angle, to create an even larger emotional bond for someone, in order to propel them higher up the card, if not to the VERY top. As much as I love Shane Helms, I highly doubt he'll EVER be there, and it would be best not to "waste" such an oppertunity on someone who will never be at the top. If an angle like this goes down, WWE Must remember that they only have ON SHOT to get it to work. Once someone beats Batista on RAW, that's it. The fans now know he can be beaten, the fans now know that he isn't an unstopable monster, they then will not be able to get behind someone, as much as they would have in that ONE SHOT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted January 18, 2003 I don't think it matters too much, they're not pushing him as an "undefeated monster" I know that, I'm speaking purely in theory in case they did decide to go that route in the near future. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest raptor Report post Posted January 18, 2003 The Hurricane shouldn't be in this posistion, because whoever it is should be able to go on to bigger and better things, they should potentially be in the Main Events. That would be purpose of this entire angle, to create an even larger emotional bond for someone, in order to propel them higher up the card, if not to the VERY top. As much as I love Shane Helms, I highly doubt he'll EVER be there, and it would be best not to "waste" such an oppertunity on someone who will never be at the top. I know I'm biased about Hurricane, but he could be a top guy some day, if pushed right. I doubt it'll happen, but I'd rather not shovel dirt on his grave just yet. If forced, I WILL play the Rocky Maivia card . I think that since Shane is a great wrestler, he could always ascend to the top if taken seriousley. Even the superhero has possibilities, if they return to the insane portion of the gimmick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted January 18, 2003 The Hurricane shouldn't be in this posistion, because whoever it is should be able to go on to bigger and better things, they should potentially be in the Main Events. That would be purpose of this entire angle, to create an even larger emotional bond for someone, in order to propel them higher up the card, if not to the VERY top. As much as I love Shane Helms, I highly doubt he'll EVER be there, and it would be best not to "waste" such an oppertunity on someone who will never be at the top. I know I'm biased about Hurricane, but he could be a top guy some day, if pushed right. I doubt it'll happen, but I'd rather not shovel dirt on his grave just yet. If forced, I WILL play the Rocky Maivia card . I think that since Shane is a great wrestler, he could always ascend to the top if taken seriousley. Even the superhero has possibilities, if they return to the insane portion of the gimmick. I think that in order for him to EVER be at the top o f ANY card, he must bulk up just a bit. Not too much to loose mobility, but at least a bit to at least look like more of a threat. He should keep his "new" type of style, what with his various kicks and the such, and he should drop the Hurricane gimmick. Nothing like that will be at the top of the card, I assure you. He has the talent, he has a cool look, and he's obviously very versitle. It's just a matter of if they WANT him to reach any real success, and I highly doubt they do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 18, 2003 I can only interpret from that, you haven't ever seen Batista actually wrestle. He has put on some pretty good matches in OVW, and has a lot of potential, and most deffiently has more than just a "stiff clothesline". He is the perfect makings for what I described above. Damnit, this is all we hear about these guys from OVW. Brock, Orton, Batista, they all have such great potential! Well, I have yet to see it at ALL. Potential doesn't justify a push. Results do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AndrewTS Report post Posted January 18, 2003 You can't buy breakfast on potential. Or put on a good match with potential. You CAN get a massive push, verbal blowjobs from JR and squash matches against some of the most talented wrestlers in the whole promotion on potential, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted January 18, 2003 I can only interpret from that, you haven't ever seen Batista actually wrestle. He has put on some pretty good matches in OVW, and has a lot of potential, and most deffiently has more than just a "stiff clothesline". He is the perfect makings for what I described above. Damnit, this is all we hear about these guys from OVW. Brock, Orton, Batista, they all have such great potential! Well, I have yet to see it at ALL. Potential doesn't justify a push. Results do. No doubt there, we have yet to see any of it on WWE TV, of course. I just can't sit back and have people just bash guys saying they are totally worthless when I know that they aren't. I know they have the ability to be much more, but it's up to WWE to do something with it. If they have no plans to truly allow them to shine where in counts, in WWE, I would just assume them release them so they can go somewhere that they can show it off. I'm not trying to justify their being on TV, I'm simply stating that I know that the potential is there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 18, 2003 Isn't Batista the guy who fucked up a hip toss or something? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HHHater Report post Posted January 18, 2003 Yeah, I refuse to believe any of this "Batista was a great wrestler in OVW" crap until I actually SEE something from him in the ring. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted January 18, 2003 Yeah, I refuse to believe any of this "Batista was a great wrestler in OVW" crap until I actually SEE something from him in the ring. How exactly is it crap? He did have some pretty entertaining matches over there, that's not crap, it's true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest dreamer420 Report post Posted January 18, 2003 Kane should be the one to had him his first loss. Kane put Batista over in his first major feud and their matches together didn't suck too much ass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted January 18, 2003 Kane should be the one to had him his first loss. Kane put Batista over in his first major feud and their matches together didn't suck too much ass. That would help no one at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 18, 2003 Kane should be the one to had him his first loss. No, you see, Kane DEFINES useless. If they want to make it big, give it to someone who isn't an enormous failure and shitty wrestler to boot. their matches together didn't suck too much ass. Yes they do. How exactly is it crap? He did have some pretty entertaining matches over there, that's not crap, it's true The same guy who can't do a hip toss. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AndrewTS Report post Posted January 18, 2003 Kane should be the one to had him his first loss. Kane put Batista over in his first major feud and their matches together didn't suck too much ass. Ooooh, high praise. He's had one PPV match and very few non-squashes, and that match was vs. Kane, so in his defense he hasn't had much of a chance to prove himself. Of course, I still think he sucks. Call me biased, but all hosses to me are crap until proven talented. So he's complete crap to me right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SupaTaft Report post Posted January 18, 2003 But big guys ARE the best wrestlers. -Taft Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kahran Ramsus Report post Posted January 18, 2003 Honestly, I would have to say Goldust. He is extremely popular right now, but needs credibility (even more so than Booker). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheGame2705 Report post Posted January 18, 2003 I think that idea is great but who hasn't Batista squashed unnecessarily in the midcard? The win over Ramon by Kid didn't hurt Razor at all later on and it helped Kid alot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
