Did Edge "Billy Gunn" his KOTR title?

[Guest blackjack4x]

Edge cut a promo on Billy Gunn last June in which he promised not to "Billy Gunn" his King of the Ring win. Do you think he lived up to the promise?

I think Edge's single push had potential when he split with Christian, but that feud was very disappointing, and the feud with Test wasn't much better. The Regal storyline dragged on too long and the matches weren't particularly good. If Edge doesn't do something fantastic from now until June, I'd say he's almost Billy Gunned his KOTR win.

Of course, I guess the REAL indication would come in evaluating his position in the company next year, as the previous KOTR winners who came into their own really needed about two years to do so (Austin, HHH).

[Guest teke184]

Edge hasn't "Billy Gunn"ed his push, as he was ignored from KOTR until Summerslam, got over BIG for a midcarder until November, then crashed and burned when put in feuds against heatsinks like Test and Regal.

 

In effect, the WWF has "Billy Gunn"ed his push, as they've wasted his heat in an attempt to get over some of their pet projects that keep failing.  

 

 

If Edge ever:

 

1. got a GOOD series against some other good midcarders he hasn't worked with yet, like Booker T and RVD  

 

2. was allowed to do a series against established upper-card guys (not just a single match against Angle every 6 months),

 

OR

 

3. was given another series against opponents he worked well with (Storm and Christian),

 

he could get over again and be primed for glory.

[Guest Whatmaniac]

I think Edge's inability to hold on to the Intercontinnental title has caused the WWF to "Billy Gunn" his singles push.  First, he won the title, then he lost it to Christian, then he won it back. Then he lost it to Test and won it back the next week.  Then he loses two straight PPV matchs and the title to Regal.  This constant game of "hot potato" with the IC title has really hurt Edge's heat and his credibility.  He needs a fued with a good opponent (i.e. Rob Van Dam) and he has to come out on top.

[Guest Some Guy]

Edge is still pretty over despite the Regal feud.  While he isn't a draw really, I don't think too many people turn off the TV when Edge is on like they did to Billy Gunn.  As Teke pointed out the WWF hasn't really pushed him that hard.  They pushed Billy hard and feauded him with the Rock and he failed.  Edge hasn't even been given a chance to fail, and whatever chance he has gotten to shine I think he has done well for himself.  I thinked he has "Ken Shamrock"ed his KOTR.

[Guest Tony149]

Like it's been said, The WWF "Billy Gunned" Edge. The bad writing hurt him. Billy Gunn got to feud with The Rock and it didn't help him.

[Guest teke184]

Your points about the IC title tie into mine about the crappy feuds, as the Test and Regal feuds caused him to lose the IC title two times more than he should have, and the feud with Christian over the IC belt should have been stretched to at LEAST a third US PPV (they had a cage match at Rebellion, but the WWF generally ignores the results of UK PPVs.).

[Guest The Electrifyer]

Once again, I think the overcrowded roster has made Edge seem to "Billy Gunn" his KOTR title. If they never bought the WCW, I'm sure Edge would be near main-eventer now. Edge gets huge pops when he enters the ring, I'm sure the WWF see that and after the split, they'll be pushing Edge.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Well another problem is that Edge seems to have no definable character. When he was with Christian you knew he was a blonde punk jackass. Now he's just kinda their....

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I think that if anything...Regal Billy Gunned Edge's KOTR.

 

Those matches (except for the Rumble one) were godawful.

 

But Edge remains over...so it's not really his fault that he's being given a shampoo commercial to feud over.

 

I smell a heel turn.  If the heel turn suceeds, then Edge will get a big push again.

 

I'd kind of like to see a series of RVD v. Edge matches with Edge as a heel.

[Guest Brian]

They should just have Christian and Edge when the tag titles, reform the Impact Players, and save the tag division.

[Guest Edwin MacPhisto]

3 months in a program with Regal will kill anyone.  Hell, in the midcard these days, three months in a singles program will kill anyone for a while.

 

Edge and Booker looks like a lock for Wrestlemania, though, so maybe we'll get some more good matches out of these guys.  The IC division has been only Edge and Regal for the past three months, and hopefully Storm, RVD, and Booker will get in there soon.  I can only watch so many European uppercuts and elevated DDTs without getting bored.

 

On a sidenote, wow.  Just watched the Storm/DDP match on Heat.  See, give two talented guys what, 6 minutes, and they turn in a plain old tight match.  Honestly, if the WWF is so hard-up for stories these days, they could do a lot worse than to give a few 6 or 7 minute matches a show.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

"Hell, in the midcard these days, three months in a singles program will kill anyone for a while."

 

The Tag Ranks don't fare that well either.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

other than the taker-flair program the programs aren't over with the fans(including the nWo's two programs) the split needs to hppen soon to shake things up because the product is reaching a new peak of staleness.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Well it's not like they give the fans a whole lot of reason to care.

 

People say that fans only care about SE. Well I think that this proves that the fans want good wrestling matches to.

[Guest teke184]

The real problem is that the WWF has started using the booking that killed WCW, which involves having a jar filled with names of faces and another jar with heels, then picking a name from each to get the feud.  After the match is picked, almost nothing is done to build the match.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

Well it's not like they give the fans a whole lot of reason to care.

 

People say that fans only care about SE. Well I think that this proves that the fans want good wrestling matches to.

i agree. They can use sports entertainment to build the match and then let them tell a story in the ring. and feuds should always should be ended in the ring. not by say getting a fat samoan to run over your oppenent (HHH i'm looking at you.)

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

lol....yeah....wrestling matches should end the feud. I mean this is wrestling....things should be blown off in a big match.

What I hate is when they have the big PPV match in the mid-card and then the next day the guys are fighting each other in a tag because they have "unfinished business"...WTF? Didn't they finish there business the night before?

[Guest evenflowDDT]

They should just have Christian and Edge when[sic] the tag titles, reform the Impact Players, and save the tag division.

I'd have to say this is the best solution.  Get Edge & Christian back together (though I'd hate to give up Christian's entrance music), since both are doing pretty awful as singles wrestlers (though Edge is still a little over, though I can't for the life of me figure out why).  I still love Christian to death (especially since he's working with DDP, even if it is a lame/goofy angle), but Edge sucks as a singles wrestler (he's like a new Test).  He's got no character anymore...

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

I think he did "Billy Gunn" the KOTR.

 

1) Edge has no definitive charateristic about him other then cutesy "insider" disses that go over 95% of the crowds' heads.

 

2) He's really just the late 2000-to-late 2001 version of Chris Jericho: The cocky, smart ass Canadian babyface who gets his ass handed to him all the time.

 

3) Granted, he was pretty damn over last year after the split, but I always thought he didn't have the charisma that Christian did. But then again, neither one has done anything worthwhile for a few months now, so nevermind.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Impact Players? I just don't get the big deal with Justin Credible? I hate that guy.....

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

I think he "billy gunn'd" the KOTR becuase he's in the same postion on the card as he was before the KOTR.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Justin Credible does suck...but the Impact players were good cocky heel tag champs.  I like the gimmick...if not half the team.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Justin Credible is a talentless piece of horseshit. It's bad enough his title reign in ECW tanked that promotion for good(although RVD getting injured helpped out, as well), but now people want to see him get pushed in the WWF? Fuck that, keep the jellyfish FAR AWAY from Lance Storm, no matter what the cost.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

if they reform the impact players that means storm gets more tv time, isn't that a good thing?

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Did RVD ever even hold the ECW World Title? That might've helped them a lot.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

Did RVD ever even hold the ECW World Title? That might've helped them a lot.

no he didn't. but nothing was really going to save ECW. it was too far gone.

[Guest teke184]

Once RVD healed up, Heyman kept the title off of him in anticipation of a new TV deal.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

as i recall didn't RVD refuse the belt on a number of occasions.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

If ECW had stayed in business RVD would have beaten Rhyno at the next ppv.

 

They were teasing it at the last ppv.

 

RVD came out to challenge Rhyno (who had just won the title) and then Rhyno left and Lynn challenged RVD so they wrestled in ECW's last ppv match.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

*SNIFF* i miss ecw and it's inbred crowds chanting they're inbred sayings *SNIFF*

 

no seriously i DO miss ecw. at one time they were the innovaters of the new trends in North American wrestling but by the end they were a sad self parody.