Crash Holly on steroids = Brock Lesnar

[Guest GameCop]

Did you guys see Brock's interview last night? He made Eddie Murphy's performance in Pluto Nash look like an Academy Award winning performance. Not only was it painfully obvious that Brock was reading off cue cards, but the intermittent/dramatic pauses in between made me chuckle, and I don't think that was the desired result.

 

Moreover, Brock has accomplished way too much in such a short time span. In less than a year, he has headlined SummerSlam -- and won the WWE championship-- with the Rock, won the King of the Ring, and outlasted 29 other wrestlers to win the Royal Rumble.

 

So, Brock is headlining WrestleMania, while RVD and Booker T-- two guys who have been consistently popular despite a lack of "support" from WWE -- are going to partake in low-profile matches.

 

Brock is a meat head/doofus/dork/retard. It's only a matter of time before the fans realize this.

[Guest NoSelfWorth]

So he should be kept in openers because he's new ?

[Guest Anglesault]

He should have been kept in openers because he sucks.

[Guest GameCop]

Remember the indifference Brock's presence was met with for the first 6 months? WWE had to push him, push him, push him some more and shove him down our throats, make it seem like he's getting face pops on Smackdown (canned heat), and shove him down our throats more until the public started becoming more receptive to him.

[Guest NoSelfWorth]

It takes a push to get almost every wrestler over. Austin wasn't over a lick until he got a push. He may not be the most refined wrestler, but he's a long way from sucking.

[Guest Anglesault]

He may not be the most refined wrestler, but he's a long way from sucking.

He is also a long way away from even approaching the "Smackdown Standard" of matches.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I think Brock will make a fine wrestler and a huge star one day sooner than later.

 

But he doesn't have any natural charisma to carry him through interviews.

 

When he's in the ring he looks good...but they have to keep him away from live mics.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Did you guys see Brock's interview last night? He made Eddie Murphy's performance in Pluto Nash look like an Academy Award winning performance. Not only was it painfully obvious that Brock was reading off cue cards, but the intermittent/dramatic pauses in between made me chuckle, and I don't think that was the desired result.

 

Moreover, Brock has accomplished way too much in such a short time span. In less than a year, he has headlined SummerSlam -- and won the WWE championship-- with the Rock, won the King of the Ring, and outlasted 29 other wrestlers to win the Royal Rumble.

 

So, Brock is headlining WrestleMania, while RVD and Booker T-- two guys who have been consistently popular despite a lack of "support" from WWE -- are going to partake in low-profile matches.

 

Brock is a meat head/doofus/dork/retard. It's only a matter of time before the fans realize this.

My first night on these boards I posted my theroy that Crash was hit by a Gamma Bomb. And now whenever he becomes angry, confused, or sexually frustrated, he becomes.... THE INCREDIBLE BROCK!!!!!!!!!

 

 

Good Times.

[Guest NoSelfWorth]

So he should get pushed down the card for not being able to do **** star matches ?

 

At least he's nowhere negative star levels.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

He may not be the most refined wrestler, but he's a long way from sucking.

He is also a long way away from even approaching the "Smackdown Standard" of matches.

Remeber AS, he doesn't wrestle the same style as the SD!6, so isn't really fair to compare them. To be fair though, anyone who can get a good match out of Taker, and a ** match out of Big Show deserves some props. I personally consider him a better worker than Edge, and he's as good at power stuff as Mysterio is at the lucha.

[Guest AndrewTS]

It takes a push to get almost every wrestler over. Austin wasn't over a lick until he got a push. He may not be the most refined wrestler, but he's a long way from sucking.

Austin was getting over already before KotR, and he actually had these things called "ring skills" and "mic skills." Brock has no mic skills, and he sucks in the ring--unless you hold him to the high standards of hosses, Steiner, and HHH.

 

However, he was pushed to the main event because Vince liked his look. End of story.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

It takes a push to get almost every wrestler over. Austin wasn't over a lick until he got a push. He may not be the most refined wrestler, but he's a long way from sucking.

Austin was getting over already before KotR, and he actually had these things called "ring skills" and "mic skills." Brock has no mic skills, and he sucks in the ring--unless you hold him to the high standards of hosses, Steiner, and HHH.

 

However, he was pushed to the main event because Vince liked his look. End of story.

Austin was a lower-midcarder before KOTR, his only major feud being against Savio vga. He was gaining a small following, but if he hadn't won KOTR he never would have coined "Austin 3:16" or become popular enough to begin the Pillman or by proxy, the Hart feuds. But it wasn't until he got an intial push that people responded to him.

[Guest NoSelfWorth]

It takes a push to get almost every wrestler over. Austin wasn't over a lick until he got a push. He may not be the most refined wrestler, but he's a long way from sucking.

Austin was getting over already before KotR, and he actually had these things called "ring skills" and "mic skills." Brock has no mic skills, and he sucks in the ring--unless you hold him to the high standards of hosses, Steiner, and HHH.

 

However, he was pushed to the main event because Vince liked his look. End of story.

Austin wasn't over much, if at all, before KotR '96. Witness him coming out in the first match to total silence. Brock does not suck in the ring. He may not be the greatest, but he's pretty decent.

[Guest Anglesault]

So he should get pushed down the card for not being able to do **** star matches ?

Yes, for the simple reason that he's being pushed over six guys who CAN put on **** matches, when brock rarely gets ***, and they all, even Benoit and Edge, talk better than Brock.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

So he should get pushed down the card for not being able to do **** star matches ?

Yes, for the simple reason that he's being pushed over six guys who CAN put on **** matches, when brock rarely gets ***, and they all, even Benoit and Edge, talk better than Brock.

He got a two-star out of Big Show. He got a four-star out of Taker.

 

 

Jesus, I'd love to see what he, Benoit, and 40 minutes could do together.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Moreover, Brock has accomplished way too much in such a short time span. In less than a year, he has headlined SummerSlam -- and won the WWE championship-- with the Rock, won the King of the Ring, and outlasted 29 other wrestlers to win the Royal Rumble.

Gee... take out the Rumble victory along with the feuds against infinitely better workers at the time(Benoit and Jericho) to make him look good and we're looking at a carbon copy of Angle's push from November 99 to No Mercy 2000.

 

This topic is so fucking played.

[Guest Anglesault]

So he should get pushed down the card for not being able to do **** star matches ?

Yes, for the simple reason that he's being pushed over six guys who CAN put on **** matches, when brock rarely gets ***, and they all, even Benoit and Edge, talk better than Brock.

He got a two-star out of Big Show

When?

 

. He got a four-star out of Taker.

 

Hell in a cell? ***. Maybe. Blood is not worth a star.

 

Jesus, I'd love to see what he, Benoit, and 40 minutes could do together.

 

THAT might approach ****. Brock isn't un carry-able. It won't blow the door down or anything. ***1/2-****

[Guest CanadianChick]

Moreover, Brock has accomplished way too much in such a short time span. In less than a year, he has headlined SummerSlam -- and won the WWE championship-- with the Rock, won the King of the Ring, and outlasted 29 other  wrestlers to win the Royal Rumble.

Gee... take out the Rumble victory along with the feuds against infinitely better workers at the time(Benoit and Jericho) to make him look good and we're looking at a carbon copy of Angle's push from November 99 to No Mercy 2000.

 

This topic is so fucking played.

Funny how people never mention that, isn't APO?

[Guest AndrewTS]

So he should get pushed down the card for not being able to do **** star matches ?

Yes, for the simple reason that he's being pushed over six guys who CAN put on **** matches, when brock rarely gets ***, and they all, even Benoit and Edge, talk better than Brock.

He got a two-star out of Big Show. He got a four-star out of Taker.

 

 

Jesus, I'd love to see what he, Benoit, and 40 minutes could do together.

FOUR STAR out of Taker?! If you're talking HIAC, then you're vastly exaggerating. Minus blood, that was about 2 star TOPS, and I found it extremely boring. I won't haggle over close ratings since star ratings are all opinion, but if we're talking THAT much difference...

 

And if you meant Brock vs. Taker at Unforgiven, then you'd have to be on some hard crack.

[Guest Anglesault]

Moreover, Brock has accomplished way too much in such a short time span. In less than a year, he has headlined SummerSlam -- and won the WWE championship-- with the Rock, won the King of the Ring, and outlasted 29 other  wrestlers to win the Royal Rumble.

Gee... take out the Rumble victory along with the feuds against infinitely better workers at the time(Benoit and Jericho) to make him look good and we're looking at a carbon copy of Angle's push from November 99 to No Mercy 2000.

 

This topic is so fucking played.

Funny how people never mention that, isn't APO?

Because you people seem to forget that Angle wasn't handed the belt six months in, despite not having a good match or any heat at that point. He got over very early.

[Guest art_vandelay]

Did you guys see Brock's interview last night? He made Eddie Murphy's performance in Pluto Nash look like an Academy Award winning performance. Not only was it painfully obvious that Brock was reading off cue cards, but the intermittent/dramatic pauses in between made me chuckle, and I don't think that was the desired result.

 

Moreover, Brock has accomplished way too much in such a short time span. In less than a year, he has headlined SummerSlam -- and won the WWE championship-- with the Rock, won the King of the Ring, and outlasted 29 other  wrestlers to win the Royal Rumble.

 

So, Brock is headlining WrestleMania, while RVD and Booker T-- two guys who have been consistently popular despite a lack of "support" from WWE -- are going to partake in low-profile matches.

 

Brock is a meat head/doofus/dork/retard. It's only a matter of time before the fans realize this.

My first night on these boards I posted my theroy that Crash was hit by a Gamma Bomb. And now whenever he becomes angry, confused, or sexually frustrated, he becomes.... THE INCREDIBLE BROCK!!!!!!!!!

 

 

Good Times.

Hmm... I can visualize Crash as a mini-Brock/Gillberg 2.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Moreover, Brock has accomplished way too much in such a short time span. In less than a year, he has headlined SummerSlam -- and won the WWE championship-- with the Rock, won the King of the Ring, and outlasted 29 other  wrestlers to win the Royal Rumble.

Gee... take out the Rumble victory along with the feuds against infinitely better workers at the time(Benoit and Jericho) to make him look good and we're looking at a carbon copy of Angle's push from November 99 to No Mercy 2000.

 

This topic is so fucking played.

Funny how people never mention that, isn't APO?

Angle was getting extremely over soon after he started AND putting on good matches, and after his big pushes he was DEPUSHED. And even when he held the WWF Title, he was still playing a comedy character.

 

And he actually held the IC and Euro titles before he won the biggie, Brock didn't even do that.

 

Although, I won't deny that Angle was pushed heavily. I don't recall much complaining about Angle's push back then, though. Nor do I remember apathy and "Goooooldberg" chants for him during it either.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I considered Brock's match with Show to be two stars AngleSault.

 

I thought HIAC was worth three stars for the match and an extra for the massive blade jobs AND the significance of Taker putting someone over after Mick.

[Guest Anglesault]

Which Show match? I'd say both were like *1/4.

 

and an extra for the massive blade jobs AND the significance of Taker putting someone over after Mick.

 

Oh, you can't add that on and say **** OUT OF TAKER, OMG, THE NEXT BENOIT~! I don't add silly ass factors when rating a match. By that logic, Angle/Hogan was about ***1/2

[Guest CanadianChick]

Angle was getting extremely over soon after he started AND putting on good matches, and after his big pushes he was DEPUSHED.

 

He was over because he was assosciated with HHH and Steph, the two hottest heels at the time, which helped a lot. And he was having good matches because he was in there with good wrestlers. I'm not saying that Angle himself wasn't good because I firmly believe that it takes two people to have a good match, but being in there with Jericho and Benoit helped quite a bit. And about the de-pushed issue, Brock might get de-pushed after this run at the top. Let's not be too hasty with statements such as that.

[Guest AndrewTS]

So either they'll have Brock job at WM and depush him, or have him beat Angle and win the title at WM, lose it a bit later, THEN depush him?

 

Considering that, at least for now, Brock's over, even I find that kinda idiotic.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Angle was getting extremely over soon after he started AND putting on good matches, and after his big pushes he was DEPUSHED. And even when he held the WWF Title, he was still playing a comedy character.

 

And he actually held the IC and Euro titles before he won the biggie, Brock didn't even do that.

 

Although, I won't deny that Angle was pushed heavily. I don't recall much complaining about Angle's push back then, though. Nor do I remember apathy and "Goooooldberg" chants for him during it either.

Angle really didn't have a good match til WM that year and then he didn't have another one til the Rock feud. And on the secondary titles, outside of his Euro title reign, he never held either secondary title for any real length of time(a month here, 2 weeks there, etc., etc.).

 

I don't deny that he wasn't over and didn't get "Goldturd" chants in the beginning, because he did, but the push succeeded in what it was supposed to do and Brock is one of the most over guys on the Smackdown roster. All this continued bitching about stuff that happened last year is just really starting to grate on my nerves when it's been debated liek 80 million times beforehand.

[Guest Anglesault]

He was over because he was assosciated with HHH and Steph, the two hottest heels at the time,

 

Brock was with Heyman, a man who the fans HATE, and beating the shit out of RVD, the most over face in the company at the time, and the fans didn't give three shits.

[Guest CanadianChick]

So either they'll have Brock job at WM and depush him, or have him beat Angle and win the title at WM, lose it a bit later, THEN depush him?

 

Considering that, at least for now, Brock's over, even I find that kinda idiotic.

I didn't say the *should*, I said they *could*. Big difference.

[Guest NoCalMike]

Well it just goes to show Vince pushes who HE WANTS to, and not what the fans might possibly want. Benoit could have recieved Lesnar's push, and pushed a similar heel. He is a better wrestler, and he is not getting any younger. Lesnar does kind of look like a doofus,(in the face) that figured out how to inject a steroid needle into himself to get bigger.

 

Lesnar is not HORRIBLE, but there are plenty of smackdown superstars that could have and should have recieved the spot before Lesnar. Hell, even before Angle, quite honestly. However Angle at least is much more the full-package more-so than Brock.