Guest Kotzenjunge Report post Posted January 30, 2003 Speaking of Austin, WWE now has the February issue of the magazine in shopzone and on it's publications heading. When does it hit newstands, or has it already? No real reason to quote you, I just wanted to note that I think you've got the best screen name on here now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jester Report post Posted January 30, 2003 For everyone saying that Austin can take out HHH politically: 1) HHH was doing the same thing when Austin was still here, just not to the same extent 2) So instead of HHH taking up a lot of time on Raw, Austin does? Yeah, that will help elavate new talent. 1. Some opposition is better than none. Since Austin left, HHH has had the run of the company, everything is down. Interestingly enough, Bischoff "invites" Austin to come back, and the ratings jump to 4.1. I don't think that's a coincidence. Sooner or later, Vince is going to start thinking with his wallet again, and Austin has put far more money in that wallet than HHH. 2. True, but at Austin is at least still popular. He walked out on the company and the fans still look like they will be behind him. I don't understand it myself, but it looks like Austin's return will amount to a short term jump in business at least. To elevate new talent, I believe the entire old order has to go--Taker, HHH, Austin. I mean you basically wipe out all the guys that cling to the main event like mildew so Vince has no choice but to put in somebody new. That ain't gonna happen. So if they old order is going to stick around, I'd rather see Austin out of all of them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jester Report post Posted January 30, 2003 Exactly Jester. We're talking full on nWo shitty no-selling for them to. Amen. It looks like Rhyno is getting partnered with Batista at houseshows, adding to the theory that he'll join the whhhorsemen. That makes two guys that might be able to be a heel on their own, snapped up by HHH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LatinoHeat Report post Posted January 30, 2003 2. He had to feud with an off the wagon again Scott Hall I believe the term is "on the wagon". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Mighty Damaramu Report post Posted January 30, 2003 No Hall fell off the wagon........ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JasonX 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2003 it wouldn't be a very smart move, but i can actually see austin going to eric bischoff at the pay-per-view, giving him a stunner, & signing with smackdown. that would keep him pretty happy, i think. it would keep me happy too. and, as we all know, the only people whose happiness is important are stone cold steve austin and me. Not really. If Austin goes to SD it would be extremely important that SOME of the top talent on SD would have to be sent to Raw to make up the difference. Edge (who should be thrown straight at HHH and his political machine with hopes that he either survives or dies pushwise as a result), Los Guerrerros, Benoit, and etc would need to go to SD as a direct result if Austin is put on the SD roster to give people a reason to watch Raw.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted January 30, 2003 Has Hall ever been on the wagon? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Breetai Report post Posted January 30, 2003 How fair is that? He leaves, and comes back with no punishment. Because he was punished before he left. They went out of their way to force him out of that company. I firmly believe that SOMEONE did not want Austin around, and after Mania, realized that if they piss him the fuck off enough, he'll do it again. From there, that person (or people) basically convinced Vince that Austin was not needed, and Vince then decided to try and get Steve to quit. Since then, Vince has realized that the original guy was wrong. Whether or not he realizes what that person was doing, I have no idea. And wHHHo might that be? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted January 30, 2003 WWE clearly doesn't care about Raw and Smackdown having equal rosters so why do people still talk about equal rosters like it factors in deciding who goes where. And frankly i'm glad...I'd rather have everyone worth a damn on Smackdown. Leave Raw to HHH for him to live out his fantasy world where it can't hurt people who are worth something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Just call me Dan Report post Posted January 30, 2003 You all say Austin has been doing the same thing as HHH I ask you this. Who has ever been made a star when working with HHH? EVER? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Austin3164life Report post Posted January 30, 2003 Speaking of Austin, WWE now has the February issue of the magazine in shopzone and on it's publications heading. When does it hit newstands, or has it already? The RAW magazine is on newstands seeing as I purchased a copy today (or yesterday). Great article by Austin. Tells is like it is (and was), and surprisingly takes a small shot at The Rock for his apparent hypocrisy in denouncing Austin in the "take your ball and go home" promo in June. The biggest and best point Austin makes is that Vince needs to give the wrestling business back to the "boys" (wrestlers). He needs to let the wrestlers dictate the direction that the WWE takes, like how it was when he was a rising star. How to keep Austin happy: 1.) Give Austin one last run of glory, for instance, a WWE World Title run. 2.)This might sound crazy, but have Austin turn heel, claiming no one was with him when he took a stand against the company 3.) Have Kurt Angle, a guy who is pro-WWE and potentially the greatest wrestler ever, start feuding with Austin. For the next year, have Angle and Austin build a feud akin to Bret/Austin, culminating in a ME at WM 4.) Austin and Angle have one of the best matches ever, as Austin puts Angle over with the win, salutes the fans and retires, ending his legendary career, ending Attitude era, and signaling Desire era with Angle's stance as the new #1 guy Wake up Vince......Angle has all the goods.....let Austin have one more great run, and let Austin finally pass the torch off to someone who DESERVES it.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Just call me Dan Report post Posted January 30, 2003 I'm telling you he WANTS to put over guys. But when Vince comes up and says "Hey Steve, put over Billy Gunn, Jeff Jarrett, and Scott Hall" What the hell is he supposed to do with that? If the creative team says, let's make Eddie Guerrero a star. You wanted a program with him, and we're going to give you a 3 month feud. Put him over. If you guys don't think he'd lay down for a deserving talented wrestler, you're kidding yourselves. Jericho was fucked from the get-go. Why would Steve put him over strong only to have HHH ruin his credibility completely? Rock puts over anyone and everyone. He has little rub left, and he takes the bad apples (Steve says no to Billy, Rock says OK. Look what happened. He ended up in a gay tag team, literally) Austin smelled HHH form a mile away. He didn't play his bullshit games, and Vince chose Hunter. Vince knows he fucked up. If he keeps Austin happy for another few years, he will give you new stars and better TV. The answer to all the WWE's problems is probably not just making new stars. But that's what they have in mind. Rock is gone. Undertaker and HHH won't do it. If you think Hogan, Flair, or HBK can do anything, WAKE THE FUCK UP. Keep Austin happy: Bottom line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kahran Ramsus Report post Posted January 30, 2003 Hey, that gay tag team was the peak of his career as far as I'm concerned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BorneAgain Report post Posted January 30, 2003 Hey, that gay tag team was the peak of his career as far as I'm concerned. Eh, New Age Outlaws era was better in my opinion Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted January 30, 2003 What they should be doing with Austin is placing him in a high profile feud at first (with Jericho or Michaels... someone in that area) before handing him over the world title on a platter. Because quite frankly, right now Austin is too unstable to just turn into the flagship of the company without proving he's not going to pull a freak job and bail again. If Austin he can prove that his heart is back into the business and that the business does not equate to "Who is Steve Austin going to pummel tonight", I have no trouble putting him over Triple H in a heartbeat. Because say what you will about Triple H, he's not about to run out on the company with the title... Austin might. And WWE cannot take that chance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted January 30, 2003 Yea- how do we know Austin isn't gonna just walk again the minute he doesn't get his way? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Damn You Helmsley Report post Posted January 30, 2003 Austin returns and joins Smackdown and requests a feud with 'Taker and suddenly everyone will groan again just like they did before he left. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted January 30, 2003 I'm telling you he WANTS to put over guys. But when Vince comes up and says "Hey Steve, put over Billy Gunn, Jeff Jarrett, and Scott Hall" What the hell is he supposed to do with that? What's wrong with Jeff Jarrett that Austin should refuse to work with anyway? I never really got that decision from Austin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted January 30, 2003 Debra. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted January 30, 2003 A lot of people claim Jarrett had no heat then but Austin is not a booker, he is not a writer- he is a wrestler whose boss is Vince McMahon and he should do what the boss tells him to. Maybe it would've gotten Jarrett over, maybe it wouldn't have- I don't think Austin's heat would mysteriously vanish Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest THE MIGHTY THOR Report post Posted January 30, 2003 Bringing back Austin won't solve any problems, the ratings were tanking b4 he left and on top of that he wants to feud with Taker and Vince for the 10000th time. Giving him the belt after he left the company is an insult on all the wrestlers that got stuck on RAW without a #1 guy. It's time for Austin to become a talent enhancer in other words he better start jobbing to the new generation of main eventers and i'm not talking about Batista or Nathan Jones. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Just call me Dan Report post Posted January 30, 2003 I don't think you even read most of the earlier posts, especially mine about 7 or 8 up. Austin gets asked to put over the flashes in the pan, and won't do it. I say good for him. Shit, I only wish Rey wouldn't put over Albert or Brock wouldn't have jobbed to Big Show. Everyone Bill DeMott has beataen, it just sucks. When Nathan comes in, it sucks for people to have to put his talentless ass over. You can bet your ass someone like Benoit or Eddie will have to lay down for Jones at some point. It's sad. Austin has enough swing after all he's produced to be able to give a second opinion. I'm telling you, give him a few months to feud with any DESERVING talent, and he'll put them over. He does things differently than Rock or anyone else as far as it is concerned, but don't think he won't do it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest THE MIGHTY THOR Report post Posted January 30, 2003 I guess we'll just have to wait. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FeArHaVoC Report post Posted January 30, 2003 Heyman, Austin, Angle and The Rock push for smaller guys with Work Rate. Triple H & Steph push for Triple H Vince, Taker and JR push for More HOSS' Who Do you think is gonna to win those Political Wars? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Just call me Dan Report post Posted January 30, 2003 Yes we will. I defend him because of my fondness of his good work and the fact that I respect all he's done. I think he's gotten the shaft before and has seen enough in his career to know when something is about to happen. If he totally fucks this up and does nothing to help the WWE, I'll be wrong and I'll admit it. I just really think he's more of a company man than his bad rep over the last couple of years shows. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest THE MIGHTY THOR Report post Posted January 30, 2003 Heyman, Austin, Angle and The Rock push for smaller guys with Work Rate. Triple H & Steph push for Triple H Vince, Taker and JR push for More HOSS' Who Do you think is gonna to win those Political Wars? Vince, he is the boss. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Just call me Dan Report post Posted January 30, 2003 Well then Vince isn't touching the RAW booking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FeArHaVoC Report post Posted January 30, 2003 Heyman, Austin, Angle and The Rock push for smaller guys with Work Rate. Triple H & Steph push for Triple H Vince, Taker and JR push for More HOSS' Who Do you think is gonna to win those Political Wars? Vince, he is the boss. If that's the Case, then what's all this talk of people refusing to job, and getting away with it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest THE MIGHTY THOR Report post Posted January 30, 2003 Believe me if Vince tells Austin to job to Lesnar (which he did b4 Austin left) he better do it or else, but if it was someone like Jarret ,who Vince didn't give 2 shits about then he wont try to put his foot down. (and the only reason he was going to get a push was b/c he is buddy buddy with Russo) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Mighty Damaramu Report post Posted January 30, 2003 You must not pay attention THOR. Usually if a wrestler higher up the card tells Vince "No I'm not going to job" no matter who it's to he'll say "Ok gotta keep you happy!" Vince is very easily manipulated. If you are one of his top money making talents you can very easily get in his ear and manipulate things your way. Hence HHH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
