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Austin's RAW magazine article

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Guest Mole
I agree with most of the things he said, expect for one thing.

 

The whole idea about how the writers don't know anything about the business, so they shouldn't really be writing it. I disagree with that whole thing. For example, most people who write for movies and television aren't actors themselves, but they can still write good shows.

 

This is the same with wrestling, you don't need to be a wrestler to write a good program. If one has a good idea about a storyline or a feud, they can write it. They don't have to be a wrestler to know how to write something, that is just absurb.

Yeah, I agree. However...I don't agree with you or him.

 

How about having them...you know...be wrestling fans? Instead of just some jackasses who could give two shits about the business and likely hates their job.

So are you saying that wrestling fans should book the shows?

 

Yeah, I agree with that, if that's what you are saying. Not plain old wrestling fans, but wrestling fans who have been to college and are good writers and such.

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Guest RavishingRickRudo

Wrestling is a different animal than movies or sitcoms. It's like having a football show written by people who don't know or like football.

 

The WWFs line of reasoning is logical, but not practical. This 3-5 years experience with script writing makes sense because it shows you can produce ideas at the drop of a hat and are used to the pressure - but if you are producing BAD ideas then what good are you?

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Guest Vern Gagne

I think everyone needs to see how this all plays out. No one knows who Austin will fued with, will it Undertaker again, or will he work with RVD, or Booker T.?

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Nice article. Good to get Steve's side of things.

 

 

The thing about writers and wrestling is that I think writers should play the role that Austin is hinting at in the article. Come up with ideas, maybe a vague outline, give it to the boys and see if it'll work. It's pretty easy. Part of being a professional wrestler is being able to go out there and do just that.

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Guest Jobber of the Week
How about having them...you know...be wrestling fans?

My concern with that is that many wrestling fans would fall into some of the current traps of repetativeness. They will book angles that repeat angles they've seen/liked before. So you better get used to a bunch of dead horses dragged out once again, such as Rebellious Face vs Heel Owner.

 

Also, if you take a guy who adores wrestling and then let him write the show, you risk more favoritism and mindgames set to their personal tastes. All they need is one guy who thinks Taker is the coolest, and books him to go over Team Angle in a Handicap match? :throwup:

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Been reading this in bits and pieces and.. Hah!

 

Well, you name me that big star who stepped up that I was holding down. Because I can't think of one.

 

Jarrett? Anyone?

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Guest RavishingRickRudo

But wrestling fans know what has worked and not worked in the past, and if they are smart enough, know WHY each played out the way it did. The WWF right now just wants someone who has 'familiarity' with the product - basically they should know who the rock is and what are his character traits - and then they can write funny skits for him to be in. Vince has Heyman (for smackdown), who is very familiar with wrestling, collect the ideas and make it presentable/compatible. Vince goes over it with his infinite wisdom makes the final edit - unless he has a wacky idea of his own, then we get the Red Rooster. A benefit of having a wrestling fan on the roster is because they have a vested interest in the final product beyond that of a paycheck.

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Guest RavishingRickRudo

Jeff Jarrett wasn't in Austins league - it's much like the Brock Lesnar situation. Austin is willing to do business -- when it's time to do business. Jarrett would have been a waste of time.

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Guest SP-1
Jeff Jarrett wasn't in Austins league - it's much like the Brock Lesnar situation. Austin is willing to do business -- when it's time to do business. Jarrett would have been a waste of time.

I love how Austin put it in the article there. There's an order to things in the business.

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Guest RavishingRickRudo

Some people don't realize how important that top spot is to a wrestler. It's like a house of cards, one loss and it could all come crumbling down. So when they do indeed lose, they want to make the most out of it. And it makes sense - and if you make money - it makes a lot of sense. Austin and Hogan were justified in having an inflated win/loss record, they could make a wrestlers career with one feud or one loss with the proper handling. They were both willing to put someone over, but they wanted to make sure it was at the right time. Now, whether they see the right time as the right time is another story.

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Well, he sounds like he's very aware that he can't keep going like he used to. That sounds like a good sign.

 

I don't like the guy, but I can take another 6-8 months of him if only because he really does deserve to end his career on a better note. I'd rather the entire universe not revolve around him though ala HHH.

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Guest kurtangledoesnotsuck

I disagree. Jarrett was severely mis-used in the WWF and he was fighting and jobbing to Chyna half the time. Austin didn't put him over, he left, and had a decent career in WCW and has a good career now in the NWA.

 

I can't wait for his return because I think he can sort a lot of things out backstage.

 

But this holding people down nonsense annoys me. If Austin was still in the company in mid-2002, Brock Lesnar would not be the star he is today. Rock, Undertaker, and Hogan made Lesnar, but would Austin have?

 

It remains to be seen. Austin worked very hard to get to where he got in 1998, but things have changed and the "legends" can only stay at the top for so long. It's not like 10 years ago when you had 3 good companies fighting it out for supremacy. Young stars will find it difficult to make it to the top if they are not with the WWE. The only way up now is to put the belt on the best guys you have, regardless of age and experience.

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Guest THE MIGHTY THOR

I agree with half of the things that he says like the fact that the writers are writing promos for all the wrestlers, no wonder some of them sound like they are reading a book or something when they are cutting a promo, if it doesn't come from the heart the promoes sound like shit.

I also agree with him when he talks about putting new talent over, well as long as those new talents are RVD,Y2J,Benoit,Eddy or Booker then he is ok in my book.

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Guest THE MIGHTY THOR
Jeff Jarrett wasn't in Austins league - it's much like the Brock Lesnar situation.  Austin is willing to do business -- when it's time to do business.  Jarrett would have been a waste of time.

I agree with this 100 percent Jarrett at the time was a midcard heel , he wasn't ready for the main event, but back then there were hardly any main event material around no wonder HGH got the McMahon push ,there was no other choice.

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Guest AndrewTS
How about having them...you know...be wrestling fans?

My concern with that is that many wrestling fans would fall into some of the current traps of repetativeness. They will book angles that repeat angles they've seen/liked before. So you better get used to a bunch of dead horses dragged out once again, such as Rebellious Face vs Heel Owner.

 

Also, if you take a guy who adores wrestling and then let him write the show, you risk more favoritism and mindgames set to their personal tastes. All they need is one guy who thinks Taker is the coolest, and books him to go over Team Angle in a Handicap match? :throwup:

Like that isn't going to happen anyway?

 

And the kind of fans/writers are educated ones who likely have quite a mix of wrestling storylines in their memory--so they could use GOOD storylines that worked as a template for new ones. However, the current writing team rehashes the SHITTY angles, so again I don't see how we'd be any worse off

 

Remember also this is a team of writers, not one guy with major influence the rest barely have any. It would need to be a diverse mix. Maybe have a retired wrestler or two working there like Steve was hinting at, but not all of them.

 

Also, being produced from Vince's sperm isn't a qualification.

 

Neither is writing for a shitty sitcoms like "Big Wolf on Campus" or "Jenny."

 

(http://us.imdb.com/Name?Gewirtz,+Brian <===unfreakin' believable.)

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Guest IB2BLACK

Pat Patterson has been a part of wrestling for over 30 years. And Michael hayes has been in it, for at least 20 years.

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Guest The Mighty Damaramu

Yeah but Hayes didn't exactly have the greatest career is what he was saying....

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Guest CoreyLazarus416

Yeah...but how many retired successful wrestlers aren't complete wackjobs right now with bad ideas?

 

Hey...look...DDP...

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Guest kurtangledoesnotsuck

If you mean to say he never held a world title you are right, but to say he is not experienced is ridiculous.

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Guest The Mighty Damaramu

Hey I'm just clarifying what BDC was saying. Don't shoot the messenger.

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Guest Austin3164life

Does Pat Patterson essentially call all the booking shots? Nope. They have to go through lil' ol' Stephanie of course. HHH's mouse-cock is in her ass so there you have it.

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And the kind of fans/writers are educated ones who likely have quite a mix of wrestling storylines in their memory--so they could use GOOD storylines that worked as a template for new ones. However, the current writing team rehashes the SHITTY angles, so again I don't see how we'd be any worse off

Educated or no, if you take a lifelong wrestling fan and give him a job writing wrestling, unless he has a REALLY clear head on his shoulders to overcome that whole brush-with-fame thing, he's going to campaign for a push for his personal favorite.

 

You can't tell me that if seven people from this board were taken by WWE and put in production meetings that we wouldn't suddently see Chris Benoit title shots more and more often? You're shittin me.

 

Also, being produced from Vince's sperm isn't a qualification.

 

I'm not in any way sexist, but you put a single young woman in charge of a roster of guys and let her decide who's getting pushed and who's feuding with whom and who's going over, it's only a matter of time before you get an HHH/Steph scenario.

 

I'm not saying they SHOULDN'T hire women. Not at all. In fact, I'm just saying that pushes and decisions based on off-stage relationships are probably going to wind up being part of the natural cycle.

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Guest The Mighty Damaramu

Hell I know I'd give Chris Benoit a title shot and probably a win. But after I built it up huge and made the fans care so much about it.

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Guest Insane Bump Machine
What if that doesn''t work, then what?

Then I'd try something else, and maybe use Benoit some other time in another role. You have to take chances. And if it doesn't work you move on. WWE took a chance with Steve Austin, and look where it got them.

 

Who would try to push guys who aren't getting over in their role again and again and again? That would be stupid. Everyone would try to push guys who DO seem to have a chance of getting over doing their thing. Oh, wait...nevermind.

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