Donahue

[Guest JMA]

I'm only seventeen (eighteen in March) so I never saw Phil Donahue during his "prime." I know the guy used to have a popular show way back when. But right now I'm really enjoying his show on MSNBC. I also like that "Hardball" with Chris Matthews comes on after. You get soft-spoken and NOT so soft-spoken. I can't always see Donahue but I try to catch it when it does come on. It's a pretty cool show, IMO. A shame that it will be getting a "demotion."

 

I enjoy the guests he has on. Amidst the arguing, great points are made. I especially liked the Franken vs. Goldberg argument. Sometimes they get some callers who sound like rejects from "Deliverance." But sometimes you get some real gems. What are your opinions on Donahue, his guests, his audience, and MSNBC?

[Guest RobJohnstone]

I do not agree with anything donahue stands for. His audience is also mostly liberal so it is not fair and unbalanced like O'Reilly. Also O'Reilly is on at 8

 

--Rob

[Guest JMA]

I do not agree with anything donahue stands for. His audience is also mostly liberal so it is not fair and unbalanced like O'Reilly. Also O'Reilly is on at 8

 

--Rob

Yeah, but O'Reilly is on the mostly conservative Fox News Channel. It doesn't help that he comes on before HANNITY and the Other Guy Who isn't a Liberal But Plays One on TV. Now I lean towards the left (even though I agree with several Libertarian ideas) but I wouldn't call his audience liberal. He does get many inflammatory comments. O'Reilly is better than guys like Hannity and Snow, but I don't agree with his views on race, religion, or homosexuality. He did have the guts to stand up to that bitch Ann Coulter, though. I'm more of an MSNB guy. You have a REAL "fair and balanced" network.

 

Liberals, conservatives, libertarian, moderates, ect al. Thanks for your comments.

[Guest RobJohnstone]

if they were really fair and unbalanced they would let buchanan have his own show, instead of having bill press there to police him. BTW That conservative fox news you speak of has Greta Van Sustren who is very liberal. I like msnbc but you cannot say fox goes conservative. I truely think they try to keep it in the middle. "but I don't agree with his views on race, religion, or homosexuality" What problems do you have with O'Reilly's views on race? Did you call him a rascist?

 

--Rob

[Guest JMA]

if they were really fair and unbalanced they would let buchanan have his own show, instead of having bill press there to police him. BTW That conservative fox news you speak of has Greta Van Sustren who is very liberal. I like msnbc but you cannot say fox goes conservative. I truely think they try to keep it in the middle. "but I don't agree with his views on race, religion, or homosexuality" What problems do you have with O'Reilly's views on race? Did you call him a rascist?

 

--Rob

I don't think Bill is a racist. Never said that. I just don't agree with his views on race. That's all. I don't think Press is there to police Buchanan. Press is a strong liberal as Buchanan is a strong conservative. It balances out. What does NOT balance out is Hannity and Colmes. For one thing, Colmes isn't a liberal--he has said so. He's a moderate and former comedian... who was chosen by Hannity. The show was called "Hannity and Liberal to be named later" before Colmes signed on. True story. Not to mention you have President of Fox News Roger Ailes and owner of Fox ultra-conservative Rupert Murdoch. Then you have people like John McCain (a Republican) boycotting it because of its blatant conservativism.

 

McCain may be a RINO, but that still speaks volumes. But I'm getting off topic, back to Donahue.

[Guest Olympic Slam]

if they were really fair and unbalanced they would let buchanan have his own show, instead of having bill press there to police him.  BTW That conservative fox news you speak of has Greta Van Sustren who is very liberal.  I like msnbc but you cannot say fox goes conservative.  I truely think they try to keep it in the middle.  "but I don't agree with his views on race, religion, or homosexuality"  What problems do you have with O'Reilly's views on race?  Did you call him a rascist?  

 

--Rob

I don't think Bill is a racist. Never said that. I just don't agree with his views on race. That's all. I don't think Press is there to police Buchanan. Press is a strong liberal as Buchanan is a strong conservative. It balances out. What does NOT balance out is Hannity and Colmes. For one thing, Colmes isn't a liberal--he has said so. He's a moderate and former comedian... who was chosen by Hannity. The show was called "Hannity and Liberal to be named later" before Colmes signed on. True story. Not to mention you have President of Fox News Roger Ailes and owner of Fox ultra-conservative Rupert Murdoch. Then you have people like John McCain (a Republican) boycotting it because of its blatant conservativism.

 

McCain may be a RINO, but that still speaks volumes. But I'm getting off topic, back to Donahue.

Just so you know, Murdoch donated over a million dollars to Al Gore's 2000 presidential campaign. Some conservative huh? Just becase someone has money doesn't make them an ultra conservative. See Ted Turner, the Hollywood folk, and most of the Democrat elected officials.

[Guest JMA]

Just so you know, Murdoch donated over a million dollars to Al Gore's 2000 presidential campaign. Some conservative huh? Just becase someone has money doesn't make them an ultra conservative. See Ted Turner, the Hollywood folk, and most of the Democrat elected officials.

But he himself has admitted that he IS a conservative. I never said having money made you an ultra-conservative. Never. Ted Turner IS a conservative. Maybe a conservative democrat, but a conservative none the less. Now that this is settled, we can talk about Donahue.

[Guest bob_barron]

O'Reilly comes on at 8- Hannity and Colmes at 9.

 

O'Reilly comes on before H-n-C. Unless they changed the times since I've been gone.

 

What don't you agree with regarding Bill views on race?

[Guest RobJohnstone]

Come on dude, once you donate to the left, you are left. Turner is a globalist idiot, not a conservative. Please get your facts straight before you just spit them out. You make no sense.

 

--Rob

[Guest Olympic Slam]

Just so you know, Murdoch donated over a million dollars to Al Gore's 2000 presidential campaign.  Some conservative huh?  Just becase someone has money doesn't make them an ultra conservative.  See Ted Turner, the Hollywood folk, and most of the Democrat elected officials.

But he himself has admitted that he IS a conservative. I never said having money made you an ultra-conservative. Never. Ted Turner IS a conservative. Maybe a conservative democrat, but a conservative none the less. Now that this is settled, we can talk about Donahue.

The term your looking for is "capitalist" when it comes to Turner. Although his stance on most issues mirrors that of the "one world" socialists that want to wreck his money making system. Oh well, no one ever said it took super human intelligence to strike it rich.

[Guest JMA]

Come on dude, once you donate to the left, you are left. Turner is a globalist idiot, not a conservative. Please get your facts straight before you just spit them out. You make no sense.

 

--Rob

I don't think that's entirely true. Murdoch's personal views are FAR from liberal. He says himself he is a conservative. And my facts ARE straight. And Bob, I DID say O'Reilly came on before Hannity. Check what I said again. About Bill's views on race, I think he sometimes says black leaders use the "race card" too much. He seems very antagonistic to them. That, and I'm in favor of Affirmative Action (maybe in twenty years I won't be).

[Guest JMA]

Now, back on topic. The topic is Phil Donahue, his show, and opinions about him. What do you think?

[Guest RobJohnstone]

Come on dude, once you donate to the left, you are left.  Turner is a globalist idiot, not a conservative.  Please get your facts straight before you just spit them out.  You make no sense.

 

--Rob

I don't think that's entirely true. Murdoch's personal views are FAR from liberal. He says himself he is a conservative. And my facts ARE straight. And Bob, I DID say O'Reilly came on before Hannity. Check what I said again. About Bill's views on race, I think he sometimes says black leaders use the "race card" too much. He seems very antagonistic to them. That, and I'm in favor of Affirmative Action (maybe in twenty years I won't be).

Black leaders always use the race card as well as most liberal democrates. It is hypocritical because people in thier party like Sen. Byrd are rascist. Please tell me that Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton don't use the race card every freaking day. If you do not think so you should look, and then look again until you see it because that my friend is true.

 

Also BTW, If he is donating money to fund democrates, he is definitly not conservative. Think of it as a front to draw in the conservative viewers who are ties of watching CNN (The Communist News Network) or lefty central. BTW affirmatrive action is a damn joke. Let people get where they are going by merit and merit alone.

 

--Rob

[Guest Ozymandias]

Rupert Murdoch is a conservative and it's silly for people to claim otherwise. He donated money to Gore to try to cover his bases, that's all. His news channel is conservative and so are all his newspapers. That's pretty conclusive. You're acting like he donated money to Ralph Nader - there wasn't much difference between Gore and Bush anyway.

Ted Turner isn't a liberal, just a globalist.

 

 

Back to Donahue: Did anyone see the SNL skit 2 months back when "Donahue" (Darrell Hammond) was trying to use his awful ratings as evidence that liberalism was dead, and his guests just kept saying, "No, people just don't like you"? Great stuff. Then he went to a commercial break and it cut to a blue screen with a number to call MSNBC if you wanted to advertise on his show. I damn near pissed myself laughing.

[Guest DrTom]

I've never liked Donahue, his politics, or his show.

 

Fox News is definitely conservative, and they're liars for saying it's anything but.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

Donahue is all but dead in the water. Sounds like Jesse Ventura will be getting a show on MSNBC in the near future.

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

Enjoy Donahue while it lasts. Heh heh heh.

 

I watch that show during O'Reilly's breaks

because it's so godawful.

 

That Franken/Goldberg exchange was a joke. Franken was a whiny little bitch.

 

Hannity is the featured guy on that debate show. Colmes is a liberal (and I like him). (What else would you call "Hannity and A Liberal to be Named Later" if you had no Liberal yet signed on?)

 

"About Bill's views on race, I think he sometimes says black leaders use the "race card" too much. He seems very antagonistic to them."

 

Somebody using their political power to raise $$ for his nonprofit organization, which in turn morphs into hush money for his mistress and bastard child -- I'm shocked!

 

Murdoch was probably trying to get Gore to appear on O'Reilly.

 

If you think Turner is a conservative democrat, pass me some of that sh*t you are smoking.

 

Murdoch > Turner...

[Guest JMA]

Enjoy Donahue while it lasts. Heh heh heh.

 

I watch that show during O'Reilly's breaks

because it's so godawful.

 

That Franken/Goldberg exchange was a joke. Franken was a whiny little bitch.

 

Hannity is the featured guy on that debate show. Colmes is a liberal (and I like him). (What else would you call "Hannity and A Liberal to be Named Later" if you had no Liberal yet signed on?)

 

"About Bill's views on race, I think he sometimes says black leaders use the "race card" too much. He seems very antagonistic to them."

 

Somebody using their political power to raise $$ for his nonprofit organization, which in turn morphs into hush money for his mistress and bastard child -- I'm shocked!

 

Murdoch was probably trying to get Gore to appear on O'Reilly.

 

If you think Turner is a conservative democrat, pass me some of that sh*t you are smoking.

 

Murdoch > Turner...

Wrong. Colmes has said he considers himself an independant. He's merely Hannity's fall guy. Face it, Fox News is slanted to the right. Hm. I would think that Bernie was being the whiny little bitch. He couldn't even get facts straight from his own book.

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

Uh, O'Reilly calls himself an Independant, but yet some people don't believe him.

 

Colmes is a liberal, get over it. Although Hannity is more conservative than Colmes is liberal...

[Guest JMA]

Uh, O'Reilly calls himself an Independant, but yet some people don't believe him.

 

Colmes is a liberal, get over it. Although Hannity is more conservative than Colmes is liberal...

Maybe that is because O'Reilly was a registered Republican for thirty years.

 

I don't have to get over anything, seeing as how what you claim is inaccurate. Colmes has SAID he considers himself an Independant. Those are the facts.

[Guest JMA]

"I'm quite moderate," - Alan Colmes, USA Today, 02/01/95

[Guest Vern Gagne]

"I'm quite moderate," - Alan Colmes, USA Today, 02/01/95

Just because he says he's a moderate doesn't make it true. People from both sides of the aisle claim to be moderate to make there views seem main stream even if they're not.

[Guest JMA]

Just because he says he's a moderate doesn't make it true. People from both sides of the aisle claim to be moderate to make there views seem main stream even if they're not.

Still, he's said he doesn't want to be classified as a liberal. That should tell you something.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

Maybe. I'm just a suspicious of politicians or people involved in politics.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

O'Reilly and Donahue are polar opposites of each other, but they're just as biased.

 

I can't believe some of what I'm reading here. I could say with some of the logic here that Alan Colmes should have his own Fox News show without Sean Hannity there to "police him."

 

Nobody is completely fair and impartial, although some channels try harder than others. I think Fox's claims are pure propaganda, but that's just me.

 

Chances are if you like Donahue you lean liberal, chances are if you like O'Reilly you lean conservative. That's not 100% true however. I enjoy O'Reilly now and then, but remember this is the guy who went on about wrestling being a "despicable industry" and says that Jesse Ventura somehow makes a mockery of politics. Donahue's done some crazy stuff on his show, too. I wouldn't want either of them running the country, really.

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

"Maybe that is because O'Reilly was a registered Republican for thirty years."

 

And Reagan was a Democrat until 1962 -- big deal.

 

"Still, he's said he doesn't want to be classified as a liberal. That should tell you something."

 

A lot of people don't want to be "classified" by ideology. Big deal. Besides, who would want to be classified as a liberal?

 

"I enjoy O'Reilly now and then, but remember this is the guy who went on about wrestling being a 'despicable industry' and says that Jesse Ventura somehow makes a mockery of politics."

 

I remember back when wrestling was hot he had a handful of wrestling-related people on his show -- the most memorable was Chyna because I remember they bleeped some stuff that she said. Those interviews were rather soft, too...

[Guest JMA]

Besides, who would want to be classified as a liberal?

I would assume LIBERALS would want to be classified as liberals.

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

Damn, dude. Lighten up...

[Guest NoCalMike]

Donahue's show is balanced. Phil Donahue's views are not. He brings on guests on BOTH sides. He gives them equal time. If you say otherwise then you are just NOT paying attention. I am speaking on his MSNBC show, not his old show on ABC. I like his show mostly because it is town hall format, rather than one on one like O'Reily or Hardball or Hannity & Colmes(although I like all of their shows too).

 

I make no bones in the fact that Phil is a hardcore lefty, but so what, he shouldn't get anymore flack for being a lefty than Buchanan does for being on the extreme right. As far as Donahue's show, it is good and balanced, most of the time.

 

Oh and as far as Rupert Murdoch goes, who cares if he donated a million to the Democrats. Democrats are barely clinging onto the notion of "left wing" It isn't like most rich folks don't have an interest in being in the pockets of both parties in the 2-party system. They know there is always a chance of of them will win.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

I remember back when wrestling was hot he had a handful of wrestling-related people on his show -- the most memorable was Chyna because I remember they bleeped some stuff that she said. Those interviews were rather soft, too...

Furthering my belief that he's just a goddamn populist with a research team that is good at finding controversial issues but not very good at researching them, which is why he often bashes the occasional ACLU case because he takes them out of context.

 

Edited to add: I do like his books, though. I find them pretty good reads. His TV work is pretty crazy though. He applies way too much of his own spin.