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Guest RobJohnstone
Holocaust denial.  one of the most pathetic, hateful downright scummy opinions to be propagated by idiot morons.  A British historian named Irvine tried it.  When someone called him on it, he sued them.  He lost.  Holocaust denial was essentially made a legally unsound position.  You are a worthless shit Johnstone.  A shit of the highest order.  And all your sad little extremist web-sites don't change that.

 

And of course America relies on getting involved in foreign affairs.  If the rest of the world goes to shit you have no-one to sell anything to, you over-produce and you get economic meltdown.  Have fucking common sense.

"And of course America relies on getting involved in foreign affairs. If the rest of the world goes to shit you have no-one to sell anything to, you over-produce and you get economic meltdown. Have fucking common sense."

 

Acually that would not be the problem. We are consumers in a consumer nation. What markets do we produce more than we consume?

 

--Rob

Great economy we have now, eh?

 

It's widely believed (yes, by everyone with a fucking brain) that we're currently overproducing nearly everything... including common retail items such as clothing, internet products and software, computers themselves, cars... the list goes on. Therefore, many companies are going out of business due to the fact that their products are not being bought... and they're not needed.

 

Wanna know why they're not being bought?

 

Because the 'common, working class consumer' can't afford to buy products. The lower rung of income is more concerned, right now, with making ends meat than bying a new fucking computer. It's a beautiful sick-cycle carousel: the companies go bankrupt, which causes people to be laid off... which causes people to buy less, which leads to more companies going bankrupt.

 

If you are suggesting that we can truly be isolationist anymore, you're completely stupid and this argument has no point anyways. We rely on other countries to buy our goods; too bad we can't sell them off at fast enough a rate as it is.

We do overproduce some but not all the industries you stated. Anyhow I am not an isolationist, I am a nationalist. I am against free trade. Every country NEEDS our goods. They will continue to buy them no matter what.

 

I also like the fact that you used 'common, working class consumer' condensending me thinking I was rich or something, no honey, I am in the lower middle class struggling to put money together to go to college. I should be the perfect example of a liberal but I know that socialism goes no where. If you deny liberalism is not close to socialism then you are an idiot. If more americans didn't buy brand name sneakers and brand name foods, they would have more money to use on other things so don't give me your pity. The reasons why companies are shutting down is because of NAFTA. COmpanies are either moving to mexico where there are no labor laws, lower staff wages and no health codes or hiring illegal immigrants. That is why other companies are going out of business. It is because of the shiesty corperations abusing NAFTA that puts the small to medium sized company out of business. Get you fucking facts straight before you go spouting off ignorant bullshit.

 

--Rob

Back up what you just said with something other than Buchanan.

 

This is getting old. Stop throwing around wild assertions.

 

Also: define socialism and back up your statement on how it has gone nowhere.

 

Thank you.

I do not need to back it up. Countries survive off our goods. They have 2 choices

 

1. either continue to buy from us or

 

2. invade us for our resources

 

so no backup needed

 

Do you really need me to define socialism for you? I do not want to play these games.

 

--Rob

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Guest Tyler McClelland
My ideas are conservative and self taught I might add.  You wanna keep insulting me, probably because I don't like gays, if not then no reason at all.  If it about the gay issue, you keep shitting on me because of your bias and I do not shit on you at all.  Who is the adult here?

Your best response to that is calling me gay?!?

 

You're a fucking dumbass!

 

 

Like I was telling flyboy, bob barron and treble charged in a chat, I stated this thread became sort of a crossfire type thread meaning that the topic kept switching. Please do not blame me for the topics keep switching, we all had equal parts in doing so.

 

No, it was completely and utterly you. Wanna know why? Because whenever someone makes a valid point about a topic, you fucking change it.

 

Here is an example you you sharing your opinions as facts, I do that also from time to time but you have done it in almost every post. Who is the hypocrate?

 

I've backed up nearly everything I've said, and in the one thing I was wrong about, I retracted my statement. You continue to fight, even though you KNOW your biased opinions are wrong.

 

You close up by again stateing I alone changed the topic

 

Which you did.

 

which we all had equal part in

 

Only if you count everyone in the world disputing your bullshit claims "changing the topic"

 

and then you spout off your opinions of me as facts again

 

It's not opinion when you back it up with credible sources.

 

You are very strange and hypocritical.

 

Likewise.

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Guest RobJohnstone

Where did you do all of this nonsense? I did not see it. This conversation is not going to go much further unless you realize exactly how you are attacking me and the shitting on me for attacking you the same way. SO admit it or don't I could care less put the proof is there, I did not just bring up the holocaust, kosovo, and other crazy shit out of thin air. Get real or get lost.

 

--Rob

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Guest Tyler McClelland
I do not need to back it up. Countries survive off our goods. They have 2 choices

 

1. either continue to buy from us or

 

2. invade us for our resources

Back up your statement that countries SURVIVE off of our goods. It's bullshit and you know it; they USE our products, but they sure as hell don't rely on them.

 

so no backup needed

 

Typical Rob response.

 

Do you really need me to define socialism for you?

 

Yes, because I doubt you actually know what it is.

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Guest Tyler McClelland
Where did you do all of this nonsense? I did not see it. This conversation is not going to go much further unless you realize exactly how you are attacking me and the shitting on me for attacking you the same way. SO admit it or don't I could care less put the proof is there, I did not just bring up the holocaust, kosovo, and other crazy shit out of thin air. Get real or get lost.

 

--Rob

Page three, the last actual argument I've been in with you.

 

You've done the same to everyone else; I've been supplimental in the other arguments since you basically ignored everything I said on that point. I've realized that it's not worth citing tons of sources because it's not like you read them or give them any creedance, even when they are widely accepted and citable resources.

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Guest RobJohnstone

Another example of you doing IT again so as TC would say

 

"noo doot aboot it"

 

Becuase you are putting up a wall I do not wish to speak with you anymore, it is a waste of my time. Also btw, it's 2pm buchanan is on tv now :)

 

--Rob

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Guest Tyler McClelland

Good, go jerk off to something other than the attention everyone is giving you.

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Guest Vern Gagne
WW1 was not over a fucking boat, you tool.

 

Korea and Vietnam were both incredibly unpopular wars to topple communism, and I don't believe you'll find 10 supporters of either of them. Big fucking deal.

WWI was fought for some pretty stupid reasons. Country A agrees to help Country B, if Country D does something to them, and Country C agrees to ally with Country D if Counry A and B declare war.

 

Being involved in the Vietnam War wasn't the problem, it was how the U.S. went about fighting the war. If you're not gonna go all out, than I agree the U.S. should never been involved.

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Guest JMA

Hm. It seems people like the idea of church and state being separate. Thank robots for that.

 

separartion of church and state=good

 

no separation of church and state=theocracy

 

theocracy=bad

 

Not really all that complicated.

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Guest Tyler McClelland

Agreed on the last point about going all out.

 

However, I don't even think we should have been involved in some wild goose chase against political idealism... that's just me, though.

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Rob, I'd just like to point out the with the exception of one post, you haven't replied to any of mine, or adressed the issues within them whatsoever. May I ask how and why they simply got ignored by you?

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Guest Kibagami

The same reason he ignored most of Tom's posts. They refute his agruments instead of paying attention to him personally. If he can't link to some bullshit conservative site that "supports" his Bizzaro World intereptation of history or accuse you of insulting him, he's just going to ignore your post.

 

He's a cunt that's not worth arguing with, basically. It's like talking to a particularly stupid dog.

 

K.

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Guest EricMM

*Marks out for the OLD SCHOOL~! thread linked*

 

I don't even know why Tyler is still posting. This obviously isn't going anywhere. Rob has proved time and again that he has no problem replying to each post with nothing more intelligent than "I don't feel like discussing that now"

 

Whereas I think a couple of people posting here are developing ulcers.

 

Folks, he's just TOO STUPID! DENSE! OBTUSE! Lets talk about something else with someone else, since clearly no one thinks that schools and churches should be integrated, nor does anyone think that the holocaust was fake, nor does anyone think that the U.S. should return to a policy of total isolationism.

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Guest Samurai_Goat

Ok, Question, who here thought I was joking about Rob's 10 commandments? We've all said time and time again that he ignores most posts, he's completely biased, who never supports his facts and attempts to insult you if you question them. Yes, the 10 Commandments were, admittedly, in part, intended to piss Robby off. But from what I've seen, it's all true. And unless you can find a way around those ten things (like talking to him in other boards, like the music or movie boards, where I've heard he's pretty cool), then you can't really get anywhere. I mean, if you need debate or arguement practice, he's your guy, because you can just throw in more and more stuff and he will not admit defeat. Otherwise, don't bother.

 

However, I will say this: He's less annoying than Bubble Boy was.

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Guest bob_barron

Rob also ignored my point where I pointed out that the 50s weren't mr. morally right either.

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Guest EricMM

bob I would say that the 50's were less morally right. Less people had rights in general. You would only think it's better if you were a white conservative protestant.

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Guest Tyler McClelland

Yeah... I don't know why I'm still posting, either.

 

It's kinda fun, I guess.

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Rob also ignored my point where I pointed out that the 50s weren't mr. morally right either.

He also ignored your point about his policy on Hitler killing your grandparents. But then again, he turned into a horses ass when he started that BS

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Guest RobJohnstone

You know guys, when it gets to be 20 against 1, It is kind of hard to respond to 20 people at once. Think about it, so one is here supporting me yet you all are tag-teaming over there. If I tried to respond fully to every post against me or my belifs It would take hours upon hours upon hours. Shit, I would need to hire and administrative assistant o help me out.

 

--Rob

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you've had four hours and nobody else was replying. You could have constructed replies to a few people.

 

Anyways, the thread is more like an 8 on 1 thing. It wouldn't have grown so much if you weren't a moron that denied the Holocaust

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Guest Powerplay
Shit, I would need to hire and administrative assistant o help me out.

 

--Rob

That is, until the assistants started telling you there was a Holocaust. Then it would be 9 or 10-1

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Guest Tyler McClelland

Funny that nobody has come to your aid.

 

Perhaps because you're wrong.

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Guest RobJohnstone
Funny that nobody has come to your aid.

 

Perhaps because you're wrong.

Yes that's quite logical. The man that brings up new ideas and no one supports them is always wrong. But that can't be true, look at newton,einstein...etc...... I am not trying to compare myself to these men but just making a point.

 

--Rob

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Guest DrTom
Anyway Dr. Tom you could be right, but how many americans are you willing to sacrifice towards the demolishing of evil, an evil which has nothing to do with our union? We constantly get into wars we should never be apart of...

An evil that had nothing at all to do with the US? None. Somalia is the best example I can think of... yes, it was tragic that the warlords were denying food and supplies to their people, but I don't see how it was our job to try and deliver those things at gunpoint.

 

A lot of evils do affect us directly, though. September 11th was obviously one of those. All of the Al'Qaeda attacks against us overseas. Palestine's continued homicide bombing campaign in Israel, which is a very valuable strategic ally in that part of the world. If Belgium jumped up and invaded Lichtenstein (sp?), I wouldn't really care. But if German invaded England, you bet I'd care, and I think the US would have to care. When our allies are threatened, we need to respond as if we were threatened. That's the responsibility you have as a superpower, and putting your fingers in your ears and crowing about nationalism doesn't make it go away.

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Guest RobJohnstone

Yes tom I agree to protect our allies but, was kuwait our ally?

 

--Rob

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