NYU Posted February 2, 2003 Report Posted February 2, 2003 -Arguments continue to be made both in favor and against giving Rob Van Dam a WWE World title run with the company. Those in favor say it would be necessary for RVD to have programs built around him because his chase for the title would be over, which is traditionally considered the turning point in a wrestler's career. Generally, a babyface chasing a major singles title is considered somewhat of an underdog, so the fans rally behind him for support. Once the chase is over, he is no longer the underdog, and it is up to the person himself to make the most of his opportunity. Those against the decision continue to offer the same explanation, he can't carry a long promo, and is a dangerous worker to put in the main-event slot with his reckless style of performing. -Shane McMahon seemed to truly like being back in front of camera's at the RAW 10th Anniversary special. Many believe that is why the storyline with Eric Bischoff having 30 days to turn RAW around or else Shane McMahon takes over was done to begin with. In actuality it wasn't the reason for the storyline itself, but was the reason for Shane McMahon to play the role of the guy who will be taking over if Eric Bischoff "fails". -As we reported several weeks ago before the RAW 10th anniversary show, WWE invited both Bobby Heenan and Mick Foley to be a part of the show. Heenan, who has been battling several health issues as of late gave WWE the excuse that he would have to buy a new tux for the show because his old “TV clothes” wouldn’t fit. WWE offered to pay Heenan for the appearance, but he still turned it down. As for Mick Foley, he simply turned down the offer because WWE wanted him at The World early for a 10-12 hour day. Foley wanted to show up, receive the award, and then go home. There are currently no plans to bring Foley back to WWE right now. Even if there were, Foley, at this point in his life, would probably shoot down the offer Credit: twnpnews.com -------------------------------------------------------- I don't know how much truth that RVD rumor has, but I think it'd be a very smart move for WWE to put the title on him. I'm sure it would get people talking and I think, if given the chance, RVD could get people into a feud. Anyone remember his feuds with Jerry Lynn or even Tommy Dreamer ? If given the chance, RVD could raise the HHH-Ego Title higher than where it is right now. ------------------ Thoughts ?
Guest wwF1587 Posted February 2, 2003 Report Posted February 2, 2003 i wont believe the RVD rumor till I see it... I like Shane... so I wouldnt mind him back on television... its better than 10 HHH segments a night I refuse to speak on RAW X for the sake of my own insanity
Guest AndrewTS Posted February 2, 2003 Report Posted February 2, 2003 Those against the decision continue to offer the same explanation, he can't carry a long promo, and is a dangerous worker to put in the main-event slot with his reckless style of performing. Yeah. A few cuts and bruises almost TWO YEARS AGO, that's certainly cause to worry. Nevermind the fact that he's not been injury prone and they've pushed far more dangerous workers in the past and present. Agreed on the promo thing--RVD's promos downright suck without Fonzie.
Guest Downhome Posted February 2, 2003 Report Posted February 2, 2003 Some wrestlers are basicly the underdog for their entire career, even when they have reached the top and have defeated many people. One that instantly comes to mind is Sting, in my eyes he was an underdog most all the time.
Guest creativename Posted February 2, 2003 Report Posted February 2, 2003 Some wrestlers are basicly the underdog for their entire career, even when they have reached the top and have defeated many people. One that instantly comes to mind is Sting, in my eyes he was an underdog most all the time. Yeah, and for some, that's a very bad thing...e.g., Jericho. Savage also comes to mind, but that's only because both times he was champ in WWF (whether heel or face), Hogan was still billed as the main guy.
Guest Justwitty Posted February 2, 2003 Report Posted February 2, 2003 I'm curious to see how they handle Nathan Jones in comparison to RVD. If his promos suck, he hurts people in the ring (Matt Hardy) and they still push him to be a World Title guy (The Brock of 2003) then I think all "RVD is too stiff" complaints should be put to rest. I think prior to this title reign, Angle was also the type to be thought of as always the underdog. But look at what giving him a mega-push did. The WWE can work wonders for a career....when they want to.
Guest Downhome Posted February 2, 2003 Report Posted February 2, 2003 I know most wont agree with me, but the face Rocky is basicly always an underdog. He seems to almost always loose, and when he FINALLY wins the World Title, he doesn't hold it for no time it seems. What is the longest time he's held the World Title anyhow?
Guest Justwitty Posted February 2, 2003 Report Posted February 2, 2003 I know most wont agree with me, but the face Rocky is basicly always an underdog. He seems to almost always loose, and when he FINALLY wins the World Title, he doesn't hold it for no time it seems. What is the longest time he's held the World Title anyhow? June 2000-October 2000 I believe. You're right though. Face Rock always seems to lose the big match-ups. The difference in that mid-2000 run was that he was booked to look strong since Austin was out and Triple H was just coming off his World Title reign. Rock was the one guy to shoulder the company at that point and they booked him accordingly. I don't remember him receiving that kind of booking since then.
Guest Army Eye Posted February 2, 2003 Report Posted February 2, 2003 As for Mick Foley, he simply turned down the offer because WWE wanted him at The World early for a 10-12 hour day. Foley wanted to show up, receive the award, and then go home. Stupid! Why didn't they let Foley just do that?
Guest MD2020 Posted February 2, 2003 Report Posted February 2, 2003 Those against the decision continue to offer the same explanation, he can't carry a long promo, and is a dangerous worker to put in the main-event slot with his reckless style of performing. Yeah. A few cuts and bruises almost TWO YEARS AGO, that's certainly cause to worry. Nevermind the fact that he's not been injury prone and they've pushed far more dangerous workers in the past and present. Agreed on the promo thing--RVD's promos downright suck without Fonzie. Uh...he did crush Triple H's throat in the Elim. Chamber a few months ago. I don't really blame RVD, since the layout of the chamber prevented him, I think, from truly doing the frog splash, but it's still a point against him.
Guest kurtangledoesnotsuck Posted February 2, 2003 Report Posted February 2, 2003 Hell, give RVD the title. Here's how to go about it. DON'T announce that there will be a World Title match on RAW and have Rob Van Dam pin Triple H clean. Whether that would happen or not remains to be seen, but the key element is not to tell people that a title match is going to occur. Wrestling should be about surprises and it's proven that announcing what is going to happen the next week does not get ratings. Remember, surprises made RAW.
Guest Angle-plex Posted February 2, 2003 Report Posted February 2, 2003 Those against the decision continue to offer the same explanation, he can't carry a long promo, and is a dangerous worker to put in the main-event slot with his reckless style of performing. Yeah. A few cuts and bruises almost TWO YEARS AGO, that's certainly cause to worry. Nevermind the fact that he's not been injury prone and they've pushed far more dangerous workers in the past and present. Agreed on the promo thing--RVD's promos downright suck without Fonzie. Don't forget how he crushed somebody's tHHHroat.
Guest THE MIGHTY THOR Posted February 3, 2003 Report Posted February 3, 2003 Even though RVD'S promo skills are not that much to talk about, due to the fact that some pimply comic book geek booker is writing the lines for him instead of having RVD say it from the heart.But as bad as RVD's promos are the fans still love him otherwise they would be chanting WHAT? everytime he cuts a promo, just like they do with HGH,Kane, and Taker when they start boring the crowd, and i know they do it to Angle too but it's very different type of WHAT?, they do it more to bust his chops.
Guest THE MIGHTY THOR Posted February 3, 2003 Report Posted February 3, 2003 Those against the decision continue to offer the same explanation, he can't carry a long promo, and is a dangerous worker to put in the main-event slot with his reckless style of performing. Yeah. A few cuts and bruises almost TWO YEARS AGO, that's certainly cause to worry. Nevermind the fact that he's not been injury prone and they've pushed far more dangerous workers in the past and present. Agreed on the promo thing--RVD's promos downright suck without Fonzie. Don't forget how he crushed somebody's tHHHroat. Well i was praying for him to actually kill HGH,lol, but i personally think that was blown out of proportion by HHH since he came back a week later like nothing happened and he even finished the Chamber match for a man that was supposedly dying.
Guest Goodear Posted February 3, 2003 Report Posted February 3, 2003 The whole "RVD injures people" thing is crazy considering the top guys on SmackDown have a far worse history of causing injury (Edge, Benoit, Brock and yeah even Angle). RVD has never caused an injury that caused anyone to miss a single night of action that I know of.
Guest THE MIGHTY THOR Posted February 3, 2003 Report Posted February 3, 2003 I agreed, Rocky Maivia once stepped on Ahmed Jhonson's hand through a nail while they had a match and now the Rock is a movie star, Steiner is well known for being very stiff and careless in the ring and he is being pushed as a serious contender, Angle broked Hardcore Holly's arm with a moonsault and now he is WWE champion, and Brock gave Holly a concussion and he is still being pushed as the second coming of Austin, and i got nothing against these guys but i'm just trying to prove that those allegations about RVD are pure bullshyte.
Guest The Amazing Rando Posted February 3, 2003 Report Posted February 3, 2003 And why the hell does RVD even need to speak at all....just let him WRESTLE...maybe if RVD were the champ we wouldn't have to deal with long promos... it's not about who is good on the fucking mic...it's about who is the better WRESTLER... Fuck You, WWE....Fuck You.... Give someone else a fucking chance.......
Guest AndrewTS Posted February 3, 2003 Report Posted February 3, 2003 Even though RVD'S promo skills are not that much to talk about, due to the fact that some pimply comic book geek booker is writing the lines for him instead of having RVD say it from the heart.But as bad as RVD's promos are the fans still love him otherwise they would be chanting WHAT? everytime he cuts a promo, just like they do with HGH,Kane, and Taker when they start boring the crowd, and i know they do it to Angle too but it's very different type of WHAT?, they do it more to bust his chops. Yeah, but if Angle had ignored the What?s maybe they wouldn't have been such a problem if they weren't able to get on his (the character's) nerves. I wonder if Austin will keep Whating when he comes back.
Guest Just call me Dan Posted February 3, 2003 Report Posted February 3, 2003 I certainly hope not. *shudders*
Guest Brian Posted February 3, 2003 Report Posted February 3, 2003 I'm not going to criticize RVD, but for someone with a rep of being sloppy and careless and compare that to Benoit (Sabu in what, 1994) and Angle who have very good reps aside from one isolated incident isn't really fair. "it's not about who is good on the fucking mic...it's about who is the better WRESTLER..." Weren't you defending RVD?
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Posted February 3, 2003 Report Posted February 3, 2003 Here's a little secret that the WWE has been keeping from themselves. If someone is really over...they can do a promo. Because the fans will react and care about whatever it is they are saying. I don't care if he has to use sign language the fans will pop and the match will have heat. They just want someone to come out and talk for 20 minutes so that the actual "wrestling" part of the show has no chance of getting over. Secondly, Someone needs to win that World title ON RAW for a change of pace and soon. And it has to be either RVD or Booker T. That's there only options. They have to at least pretend that if you tune in you might see something you want to. And also...if they are going to have RAW only ppv's RVD will be champion by Summerslam. I'll lay money on that, as they will burn through the other, less over options quickly.
Guest AndrewTS Posted February 3, 2003 Report Posted February 3, 2003 And also...if they are going to have RAW only ppv's RVD will be champion by Summerslam. I'll lay money on that, as they will burn through the other, less over options quickly. Okay, but they'll try Test, Batista, Orton, Ric Flair, Bubba Ray, a heel Goldust, and Maven before RVD at this rate. Then of course, Austin looms in the near future...
Guest Brian Posted February 3, 2003 Report Posted February 3, 2003 Or they can turn Jericho face. But RVD can do a fine fun promo, the actual serious stuff with building to matches won't help but he can keep a crowd entertained for the most part.
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Posted February 3, 2003 Report Posted February 3, 2003 That's what I mean. He can't cut a serious promo to save his life. But neither can Steiner and at least I can understand what RVD says.
Conspiracy_Victim Posted February 3, 2003 Report Posted February 3, 2003 That's what I mean. He can't cut a serious promo to save his life. But neither can Steiner and at least I can understand what RVD says. Agreed as well. RVD can cut a promo when given the right setup. Taking into account the type of laid back guy he apparently is, I busted out laughing at his "I'm Mr. Muscle and Fitness! GRRR!" promo on HHH last year. That and his rephrasing of Kane a couple months ago when they were talking to the Coach show that he CAN talk when the WWE gives him the proper setup. However, since he's not the type of guy who can go out there and put the crowd to sleep with an INTENSE 20 minute ego massage, he probably won't be pushed to the top. He needs someone to play off of (ala Fonzie and/or insane Sabu) and as champ he's probably not going to get that.
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Posted February 3, 2003 Report Posted February 3, 2003 I also liked his promo last week when he named all his moves and kept throwing in Kane's chokeslam. The pisser is this will lead to one terrible feud.
Conspiracy_Victim Posted February 3, 2003 Report Posted February 3, 2003 I also liked his promo last week when he named all his moves and kept throwing in Kane's chokeslam. The pisser is this will lead to one terrible feud. Ugh bps you've just given me tonight's nightmare. "Hey Brian-uhh what makes you think-uhhh that RVD would take-uhhh someone as big as Kane-uhhh?"
Guest Brian Posted February 3, 2003 Report Posted February 3, 2003 I think that's the hook though. I mean, when he wins the title and suddenly becomes the feature of the show, it's going to be tough on him. He's not going to be the underdog, he's not going to be cutting serious promos, and his offense will have to be augmented (at least I'm guessing). Same thing that happened to Jericho, only Jericho could probably pull it off a little better. I think that's what whoever it is that had enough of RVD's back to get him all the big wins but not get him to main event level was thinking.
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Posted February 4, 2003 Report Posted February 4, 2003 I still say that although he obviously isn't going to light the world on fire with his wrestling ability...the "Fighting Champion" gimmick would work well with RVD. He's someone who could beleivably lose the title to any uppermidcard guy (Booker, Kane, Batista, Jericho, insert any other name really) and have competitive and fan friendly matches with guys like Dreamer and whoever that people would like to see fought over a big title. He doesn't have to go over "Big" names like HHH and HBK and Nash and Austin for his reign to work. You can book those guys in the "money" matches and let the World title belt be defended in a far more exciting fashion than HHH the unbeatable monster.
Guest redneckBEBE Posted February 4, 2003 Report Posted February 4, 2003 I think they've already missed the boat on pulling the trigger on an RVD push. Should have happened months ago.
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