Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted February 3, 2003 He said nice things about RVD after the Elim. Chamber injury. Hey...where did RVD spend the next ppv? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AndrewTS Report post Posted February 3, 2003 TC: There are precedents for these things, though. The guys in charge will blame ANYONE besides those really at blame. However, in a case where there is no real blame to place, they use it as a way to justify something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted February 3, 2003 speaking off the 2 man powertrip.. how the hell did Austin agree to/not walk out in defiance of this whole thing? They had heel Austin vs face HHH all set for Summerslam (before the quad of corse) AND Austin had like zero time to bask in his return to heeldom and really milk it HHH should have wanted it too becasue that night after WMX7 was the night for him to turn face OOOHHH! I can answer this. Basically the story goes that Austin really wanted to turn heel and re-invent his character because he wanted the heel turn to work and the WCW invasion to make him more money and a bigger star in the long run. The heel turn didn't work so weel, so Trips and Vince suggested that they be paired, and Trips was in Austin's ear playing him off everyone (later seen in the Jericho matches and NWO work). Trips thought with Austin, likewise, that he could get in on the InVasion and save the face run for a more profitable time when the promotion had more steam (coming off the heels of a WCW feud). Basically, it a combo of Austin wanting to pull it off, money, Vince believing it was the right move, and Trips doing some convincing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted February 3, 2003 So they changed the entire booking plan in one night because Austin didn't get immediatly booed against a guy (Rock) who the fans always turn on in face vs. face matches even though the match took place in Austin's home state? Yeah. That sounds like something WWE would do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest treble charged Report post Posted February 3, 2003 My beef is this: RVD is mentioned (by my count) 3 times in the article, all in one paragraph. It's about HHH being injured, NOT about who injured him or even how it happened, yet everyone's going 'OMG RVD is being blamed!! He'll be de-pushed OMGOMMG' when there's no real reason to believe that yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted February 3, 2003 In all honesty I have been wondering why RVD on this last weekends house show tour is currently the lowest on the card he has ever been (beating Dlo Brown at the bottom of the card). Then I read this. I will draw my anti-HHH conclusion just like I did when RVD wasn't at Armageddon...and now not getting a high end payoff on house shows despite being one of the most recognizable stars ESPECIALLY in MSG where the fans go rabid for him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest treble charged Report post Posted February 3, 2003 It is very possible that RVD didn't wrestle at Armageddon because he did hurt HHH (and if that's the reason, then I'll agree that it is stupid), but people are punished all the time for hurting people, no matter where there place on the card is. D'Lo Brown, anyone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted February 3, 2003 I hope there is a difference between a paralyzing injury and a bruised thigh. Of course I guess it depends on who's thigh it is, doesn't it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest converge241 Report post Posted February 3, 2003 "The heel turn didn't work so weel" really? they realized this mere hours after turning because the TMP formed the very next night I know the idea once they formed was to make new faces *excuse me while i laugh uncontrolably at that one while picturing the Hardys, Taker, Kane, Benoit, Jericho * i guess my question was more rhetorical cause i can dig out all the backstory from old newsletters..myself i still dont know what Austin was thinking Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted February 3, 2003 The heel turn was a good idea, I think. Executing it against the Rock, who people will always turn on, in Texas was the mistake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest converge241 Report post Posted February 3, 2003 "but people are punished all the time for hurting people, no matter where there place on the card is." can RVD get a RVD 3:16 "i just crushed your larynx" t shirt like Owen did when Owen was "punished"?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest razazteca Report post Posted February 3, 2003 so HHH is taking the Franchise gimmick very serious Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest treble charged Report post Posted February 3, 2003 I hope there is a difference between a paralyzing injury and a bruised thigh. Of course I guess it depends on who's thigh it is, doesn't it? I was referring to RVD landing on HHH's neck at the Survivor Series, an injury severe enough that HHH had to spend at least a night in the hospital. If HHH told Vince, "Don't have him on the Armageddon card", then yeah, it's stupid, but I think if someone did it to me, I'd be a little pissed off, myself. As for D'Lo's punishment vs. RVD's punishment for brusing HHH's thigh (if that's what this is), getting continually de-pushed over the course of a year or so, getting stuck in a lame-ass gimmicked tag team, and eventually being off TV for close to a year is a little more severe than wrestling low on a house show card. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest converge241 Report post Posted February 3, 2003 "Executing it against the Rock, who people will always turn on, in Texas was the mistake." huge mistake in Texas..most of the other cities they would have had an easier time..he could have raped Rock's mother and the Texas crowd still would have been hootin' and hollerin' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted February 3, 2003 Yes and No. Dlo was never as over as RVD was. Burying someone who's easily expendable vs. burying your constant failsafe when you need someone to job in a title match on TV and have all the stupid fans (like me) beleive that this MUST be the night is a little tougher. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HartFan86 Report post Posted February 3, 2003 HHH = Ahmed Johnson...he's always injury prone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted February 3, 2003 RVD was scheduled to face D-Lo Brown before it was revealed HHH had his injury so I don't really see the problem here. I don't think RVD was kept off the PPV for injuring HHH- they didn't want to feed him to Batista probably and they wanted to blowoff HHH v. HBK. What else were they supposed to do? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Your Olympic Hero Report post Posted February 3, 2003 Poor RVD. He probably won't make Wrestlemania at this rate. Even worse, maybe he'll return the opening match job to Regal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cawthon777 0 Report post Posted February 3, 2003 Friend of mine sent me a link to the text someone transcribled from the Austin article in Raw magazine. He tears into Triple H pretty good. Basically saying that 2000 was Triple H's year because he went out there and busted his ass to carry the company in Austin's absence. Now all he does is kill a half hour on Raw and the ratings are crap. To paraphrase Austin, Triple H is not where he should be considering all the TV time he gets (another way of saying he's damn overexposed and, regardless of WWE belief, the world does not revolve around that second-rate Ric Flair wannabe). Austin also mentioned that the wrestlers should stay the hell out of the booking meetings (wonder who that was directed to?). Oh, and to just continue the Flair comparisons ... anyone notice what Trip was wearing last week on Raw? 3-piece stuit, big fat black sunglasses, bandage over the forehead, and world title belt buttoned up in his arm. Someone needs to tell the man that this is not 1984 and they were not in the Greensboro Coliseum. And (yes, I know I'm going off on a rant but it's been building for quite some time), anyone catch Confidential this past week and the segment on the Asia tour? Triple H and Flair hanging out at the sumo training center ... and apparently Trip HAD to bring his belt along to show off ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jack Potts Report post Posted February 3, 2003 This comes from trashed.co.uk/drugs/anabolic/effects.html... There is speculation that anabolic steroid use can increase the risk of platelet aggregation leading to increased blood clot formation. These include: stroke (a clot blocking blood vessels in the brain), pulmonary embolism (a clot blocking blood vessels in the lungs), myocardial infarction (a clot blocking blood vessels in the heart). Animal studies suggest that there is such a relationship, but there is only one report of an athlete taking anabolic steroids dying from a stroke. However, there is an association between platelet aggregation and age in weightlifters taking anabolic steroids. 'Nuff said! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted February 3, 2003 "I don't think RVD was kept off the PPV for injuring HHH- they didn't want to feed him to Batista probably and they wanted to blowoff HHH v. HBK. What else were they supposed to do? " These aren't decisions that are made the day of the show. Look at the Raw roster and tell me how you fail to build up a feud for the guy who gets the luxury of facing HBK on the heels of being massively over in the only arena Vince cares about? Elimination Chamber sucked...but that was just about the best RVD's been during his time in the match. Made the first half watchable to see what he'd do next. Where does he end up? And Why? Any answer they can give is absolutely ridiculous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted February 3, 2003 Trip HAD to bring his belt along to show off ... I don't see the problem- I wanted to show off the belt since it was gonna be on TV. That's just nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted February 3, 2003 "I don't think RVD was kept off the PPV for injuring HHH- they didn't want to feed him to Batista probably and they wanted to blowoff HHH v. HBK. What else were they supposed to do? " These aren't decisions that are made the day of the show. Look at the Raw roster and tell me how you fail to build up a feud for the guy who gets the luxury of facing HBK on the heels of being massively over in the only arena Vince cares about? Elimination Chamber sucked...but that was just about the best RVD's been during his time in the match. Made the first half watchable to see what he'd do next. Where does he end up? And Why? Any answer they can give is absolutely ridiculous. Look at the RAW roster- they wanted to get the belts off Chris-tain and put them on BookDust. They had to blowoff HHH v. HBK to get it over with AND they were feeding Kane to Batista. What should they have done with him? He faced HBK and the match tanked the ratings which may have been why they didnt do a 3-way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted February 3, 2003 You don't keep one of your few over people off a show people pay almost 40 bucks for. I bet alot of people like going to ppvs to see stars from both shows compete. You can't go very far down the RAW list of wrestlers before you hit on RVD as a guy people want to see. Were talking about a card that had A-Train get a match, Kane and Batista toss up a gem, Torrie and Dawn have a match and 8 people in a match for the tag titles. Oh...and a 40 minute ego-fuck main event. Nope no time for RVD. Armageddon had TWO WOMENS MATCHES!!!!! AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Joejigatame Report post Posted February 3, 2003 WWE had booked themselves into a corner though as far as Van Dam was concerned. There were no over heels for him to compete against on the PPV, and even the most optomistic individual could see the HHH-HBK rematch was not going to include him. That's what you get from poor booking and a large roster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted February 3, 2003 All I'm saying is that its a little "funny" that the guy doesn't get booked on WWE ppv for the first time after a show when he was incredibly over in Vince's favorite arena, when he could have been easily booked into a storyline with someone, practically anyone and people would still pop. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted February 3, 2003 But who should they have booked RVD against? Everyone else was full- and they gave him a main event shot with Shawn with a weeks buildup- and it bombed. It sucks he wasn't at the show but they had no one for him to face. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted February 3, 2003 I'm not talking about the day of the event here. I'd hope they book earlier than that. Did Regal and Storm need to be in the tag title match so that they could get quickly eliminated? RVD couldn't grab Hurricane and have a tag story leading in? Or even just do a Storm/RVD mini feud where Regal helps Storm win on RAW and then they have the blowoff on the ppv? They've shown they can work well in the past. This isn't that hard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest redneckBEBE Report post Posted February 3, 2003 All RVD-bitching aside, I really hope that blood calcifies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted February 3, 2003 Why stop there, why not wish cancer on him? Afterall he's a bad wrestler and deserves to die. Perspective people... perspective. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
