Chris Jericho is perfect as Triple H's setup man

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

I kind of agree with Sakura and I'm a HUGE Jericho mark. His promos just lack that 'it' factor that makes you believe this guy can destroy anyone he wants. He does primarily work the goofball aspect of his character in his promos, which is entertaining, but doesn't really elevate him to that next level. Doesn't mean he can't sound believable. I didn't catch the "I'm not a joke" promo, but I did catch his series of promos with the Rock during their No Mercy feud for the WCW title and they were fucking brilliant and intense.

 

I like heel Jericho, but as it is, he'll never be booked as legit threat. At least as a face, the casual fanbase bought him as a contender for the title, regardless of how he was booked.

[Guest the pinjockey]

It is really a catch 22 though. Without being put in positions that actually mean something there is no purpose for a serious promo, but without showing the serious promo prowess there is doubt as to whether it can get done.

 

Jericho showed enough though in his feud with the Rock, to me at least, that given a real reason he can cut a serious promo.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

What is the "it" factor? Why must every top tier be a "bad ass"? Can Jericho not make himself a threat by being the cocky bastard? It gives him an edge of not letting anyone get him down.

 

I think the fact that he's still over even after constant burial is a sign that he does have something special.

[Guest Sakura]

If I'm not mistaken your whole discussion has beeen HHH's promos vs. Jericho's promos so what do you mean by you didn't bring him up or want to discuss him?

 

 

Look at my first reply. I was just talking about Jericho. I didn't say a thing about HHH until someone else did.

 

 

 

And have there been any examples given of good promos Triple H has cut since the beginning of 2000? It's sad that all the arguments for Triple H deserving his spot revolve around matches and promos that happened 3 years ago.

 

 

Uh, wait up here. I think HHH blows and I want him to drop the damn belt to someone other than Steiner. All I've been saying is that I think, as far as promos go, I can buy HHH as a top guy more than I can Jericho. His promo style has a "top tier guy" vibe.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Why is anyone complaining? This has been an awesome debate in the way it should be done.........more power to all those involved.

 

Let's rejuvinate this folder.

 

Okay Sakura I understand that it wasn't you that brought HHH up, but you stepped into a folder about HHH/Jericho so there shouldn't be any complaining about HHH being discussed.

[Guest Sakura]

What is the "it" factor? Why must every top tier be a "bad ass"? Can Jericho not make himself a threat by being the cocky bastard? It gives him an edge of not letting anyone get him down.

No, of course not. Actually my favorite guy on the mic is not a badass. Kurt does it right. He is just like Jericho, he's this cocky guy who brags about how great he is even though he blatantly cheats. The difference is that Kurt sounds like he honestly believes it. Kurt is so believable I get the vibe that he really IS that delusional, he truly thinks he is the best. I don't get that with Jericho.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

What is the "it" factor?  Why must every top tier be a "bad ass"?  Can Jericho not make himself a threat by being the cocky bastard?  It gives him an edge of not letting anyone get him down.

No, of course not. Actually my favorite guy on the mic is not a badass. Kurt does it right. He is just like Jericho, he's this cocky guy who brags about how great he is even though he blatantly cheats. The difference is that Kurt sounds like he honestly believes it. Kurt is so believable I get the vibe that he really IS that delusional, he truly thinks he is the best. I don't get that with Jericho.

Could you enlighten me a little more to what exactly it is that Jericho does in his promos that loses the believability in your eyes?

 

I hear JR constantly try to tell me Jericho's full of it in his commentary........but I'm not buying it. Jericho sounds like he means it to me and I love it.

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

Jericho is pretty much playing the role Shawn Michaels did in DX. Cocky chicken shit heel who can't really beat anyone by himself. Thing is, I still bought Shawn as a 'top tier guy'.

 

Ya know, maybe if he was actually booked to win clean and get the Walls over as a legit finisher it would make his promos sound like more than just hot air from some mid-carder.

[Guest bcu1979]

Uh, wait up here. I think HHH blows and I want him to drop the damn belt to someone other than Steiner. All I've been saying is that I think, as far as promos go, I can buy HHH as a top guy more than I can Jericho. His promo style has a "top tier guy" vibe.

But if you're going to argue that Triple H cuts better promos or more believable promos than Jericho, then what are some recent examples of these great Triple H promos. Because I'm just not hearing them.

 

He stands out there and postures a lot before he talks about how great he is while the crowd falls asleep. I can't remember the last "money" promo Triple H cut. He seems more interested in making himself look cool out there than anything.

[Guest Sakura]

Okay Sakura I understand that it wasn't you that brought HHH up, but you stepped into a folder about HHH/Jericho so there shouldn't be any complaining about HHH being discussed.

 

Yeah, it's not a big deal.

 

 

 

Could you enlighten me a little more to what exactly it is that Jericho does in his promos that loses the believability in your eyes?

 

I hear JR constantly try to tell me Jericho's full of it in his commentary........but I'm not buying it. Jericho sounds like he means it to me and I love it.

 

 

Well, not really. I don't know how I can explain it. It's just his tone of voice, the way he talks, the words he uses, you know? I just think he isn't that great at acting like he means what he's saying.

 

It can be funny and it's fine for some main events and title reigns, but I can't see him selling an epic Iron Man Match or HIAC or whatever as well as the other main event guys.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

I think it was best said that Jericho cuts the big promos in big situations.

 

If he cut a big serious promo about being embarassed by ass cream it wouldn't be as great.

 

He just hasn't had the storyline recently to show off a good money making promo.

[Guest Super Pissed Smark]

I think most of it is just blowback from the way Jericho's booked as a sissy who always loses the big one if he doesn't have help. Trips destroyed him but good last year and no amount of talking is going to change that.

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

Could you enlighten me a little more to what exactly it is that Jericho does in his promos that loses the believability in your eyes?

It just sounds like Chris is playing a character. Kurt sounds like he IS the character. As if there's no parallel between the real Kurt and cocky Kurt. And again, Kurt has gotten clean wins and has gotten his moveset and finisher over as killer.

 

The little things Jericho does in the ring are awesome. But some portions of his promos sound forced. Tonight, however, I thought he was great. Very layed back. Didn't care. Looked like he was wasting his time with Test. That's the way he should always be.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Oh yeah I'll go on record on saying I like Angle's promos better than Jericho's, but that's not downplaying Jericho's.

[Guest Sakura]

Ya know, maybe if he was actually booked to win clean and get the Walls over as a legit finisher it would make his promos sound like more than just hot air from some mid-carder.

 

 

You're not understanding me. It's not that Jericho says he's the king of the world and then loses. It's that Jericho says he is the king of the world with no real emotion.

 

 

But if you're going to argue that Triple H cuts better promos or more believable promos than Jericho, then what are some recent examples of these great Triple H promos. Because I'm just not hearing them.

 

 

Like, almost every promo he makes is more believable than Jercho's. Even when he is out there rambling about nothing he sounds more credible than Jericho.

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

He just hasn't had the storyline recently to show off a good money making promo.

Exactly. Jericho's always too busy feuding over spilled coffe, dead dogs or apologizing to valets. When he feuds over a title, he's gold.

[Guest Super Pissed Smark]

Didn't care. Looked like he was wasting his time with Test.

Probably not much acting needed on Jericho's part.

 

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

I can't take HHH seriously anymore. To me he sounds bored with himself almost. It's like doing the promo is a chore for him.

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

You're not understanding me. It's not that Jericho says he's the king of the world and then loses. It's that Jericho says he is the king of the world with no real emotion.

I'm not arguing with you. I agree with you. Just stating what might help.

 

Like, almost every promo he makes is more believable than Jercho's. Even when he is out there rambling about nothing he sounds more credible than Jericho.

 

Probably because Hunter really DOES think he's the God of wrestling. Whether that's good or bad is up to the viewer.

[Guest bcu1979]

Ya know, maybe if he was actually booked to win clean and get the Walls over as a legit finisher it would make his promos sound like more than just hot air from some mid-carder.

 

 

You're not understanding me. It's not that Jericho says he's the king of the world and then loses. It's that Jericho says he is the king of the world with no real emotion.

 

 

But if you're going to argue that Triple H cuts better promos or more believable promos than Jericho, then what are some recent examples of these great Triple H promos. Because I'm just not hearing them.

 

 

Like, almost every promo he makes is more believable than Jercho's. Even when he is out there rambling about nothing he sounds more credible than Jericho.

Huh? I don't get the no emotion comment. If anything, Jericho can go a little too far in selling the whole "King Of The World" thing. He changes his voice like he's making some grand announcement. And then he raises his arms in the air waiting for all the applause he expects to get from all the ass clowns in the audience.

 

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree because Jericho playing a believable character has never been a problem for me. His obsession with being the first undisputed champ and reminding everyone of that fact never rang false because his heel turn was built up in a fashion that it made sense. And his new cocky attitude that he's the shit is a logical extention of that.

[Guest Sakura]

Huh? I don't get the no emotion comment. If anything, Jericho can go a little too far in selling the whole "King Of The World" thing. He changes his voice like he's making some grand announcement. And then he raises his arms in the air waiting for all the applause he expects to get from all the ass clowns in the audience.

 

 

Yeah, true. What I mean is no real emotion. It's like how Big said it, he sounds like he is playing a character.

 

 

But yeah, bringing up his title reign is good stuff. Makes the belt look good.

[Guest Y2DAYDAY]

I agree with Sakura(and HHH) for that matter. Jericho isn't a tippety-top guy. He is a main event guy but not a top 3 guy. He can draw but only with the Rock's of the world. He is a very good worker but his offense looks too weak to warrant a main event spot. Someone mention Kurt Angle.

 

Kurt does everything right that Jericho doesn't. He is more believable in his role. People think he is a badass, and he is. He talks shit but when it comes down to it he backs it up. Kurt has been booked very strong recently. Kurt's offense looks killer as well; Jericho's doesn't. And mostly importantly, Kurt's just gives off the vibe that he is legit and is the real deal, as opposed to Jericho's thinking he is but really isn't.

 

Plus he is too small. If he had a strong move set and a strong finisher, he could overcome it. But since he doesn't, he won't.

 

HHH,Austin, Lesnar, Rock, Undertaker, Angle- Tippety Top Guys

 

Chris Jericho- Just a step below. Still a great spot that makes him a shitload of money.

Most guys only wish they can get near Jericho's spot.

 

While I am at look, look at Benoit and compare him to Jericho. They are the same height but Benoit just reeks legitimacy. Great build, lethal offense, believable.

[Guest geniusMoment]

I have heard a couple of people here say they don't like Jerichos promos because they are main event style, I agree. But the thing I hate most about the WWE right now is the so called main event style. I want different styles of promos and movesets. To me the something for everyone aspect of wrestling is very appealing. As long as Jericho can cut entertaining promos that build up matches that is all I ask. I just don't understand why some of you seem to want everyone to be the same. Come out cut the classic I hate you and am going to kick your ass promo and then have a match based on power moves leading to each wrestler attempting his finisher before a ref bump decides the victor. I like Jerichos high flying moves, in fact I feel he should use more of them. Ever wonder why the Benoit and Eddy matches were so much better in ECW, it is because they were allowed to go all out.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

HHH,Austin, Lesnar, Rock, Undertaker, Angle- Tippety Top Guys

 

While I am at look, look at Benoit and compare him to Jericho. They are the same height but Benoit just reeks legitimacy. Great build, lethal offense, believable.

It's too bad that 2 of the top tier guys need to either retire, start putting over younger wrestlers, or lose 30 lbs and take 2 months of to fully heal.

 

Benoit won't be a top tier guy. He doesn't have the size, and lacks the mic skills that Kurt Angle has.