Judgement Day 2000

[Guest Dmann2000]

I'm watching the Iron Man match from Judgement Day again.

 

Remmember when HHH had multiple great matches?

 

Remmember when Rocky wrestled a fulltime schedule?

 

Remmember when we could have main event Iron Man matches?

 

 

 

I think I'm going to cry now...

[Guest SP-1]

I've considered popping in my copy of JD2000. But knowing it will send me into a spiral of fan-depression coupled with my hatred for how the UT return was handled keeps me from doing so.

[Guest BifEverchad]

I've considered popping in my copy of JD2000. But knowing it will send me into a spiral of fan-depression coupled with my hatred for how the UT return was handled keeps me from doing so.

What didnt you like about 'Taker's return Spidey?

[Guest Downhome]

I've considered popping in my copy of JD2000. But knowing it will send me into a spiral of fan-depression coupled with my hatred for how the UT return was handled keeps me from doing so.

I hated the UT return also, or how it was booked anyhow. Coming in there at the end of the match, a pretty damn good match, basicly RUINED the entire match for me, period.

 

Sometimes an ending can make a match, and for me, that was the case here.

[Guest AndrewTS]

I actually tried to order a copy of that video on VHS, but apparently got lost in the mail. Need to get my refund.

 

Oh, and I'm flattered by the quote, SpiderPoet.

[Guest BifEverchad]

Ok, I see what you mean by that. I never really looked at it that way. But even though he made his return by running in on that Rock/HHH match, I don't think it ruined it in any way. I still think its remembered as a great match and one of the best for the year 2000. If anything I think it kinda adds to the match memory. People may say, "oh Judgement Day...that was the PPV with the great Iron Man Match, with Hunter and the Rock, and the UT's big return".

 

Just a thought...

[Guest SP-1]

Other than a general dislike for how it was booked, which kind of overshadowed Rock and H's good work in the match, it bugs me how badly the visual production was for it. It was like the cameramen and the crew controlling the broadcast feed didn't know what was going on. The big moment where Taker appears on screen results in a fantastic shot of X-Pac's arse, as I recall. Next thing you know it's like, "Oh! Oh, Taker came back. I get it now. There he is."

 

It was just shot horribly and I expect better from Vince McMahon's well paid production staff on something that big, especially when it pretty much overshadowed Rock and H's match. I guess it's nit-picky but it left a sour taste in my mouth, personally.

 

NP, ATS. I laughed out loud when I read that.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Heheh--cool. And yes, it seems like a minor complaint due to how well the production crew is for WWE--which seemed to always be good through thick and thin.

 

Yet, these days I just don't know--starting Raw en espanol?

 

Although, personally they should have left it that way.

 

Still, going to have to track down a copy of that tape....

[Guest SP-1]

I remember seeing the shot where he returned, with the lights under the tron in the entranceway lit up and it backlit him as he came out on the bike. It looked magnificent. Now if only I could have seen that shot when my emotions were invested in the match and all, you know? I guess that's what agitates me about it.

[Guest Smell the ratings!!!]

Didn't we just have the Pac-Ass discussion a few days ago?

 

Anyway, is anybody else finding it hard to find this match online? It's a pain in the ass. I'm suprised, seeing as it features Hollywood Action Film Star The Rock, but it doesn't seem to have circulated.

[Guest SP-1]

I believe this discussion did indeed happen not long ago. I don't remember which thread, though.

[Guest Tim Cooke]

"Remmember when HHH had multiple great matches?"

 

I don't remember. I re-call Mick Foley carrying him through a decent brawl at the Royal Rumble.

 

Then I remember a fairly decent Iron Man match (***ish) but more do to the Rock in my eyes.

 

Then I remember an absolute mess vs. Chris Benoit at No Mercy that is one of Benoit's worst WWE matches.

 

Then I also remember a long, drawn out Last Man Standing match vs. Chris Jericho at Fully Loaded.

 

Trips was terrific in 2000!

 

Tim

[Guest Aecas]

I liked Triple H in 2000 I'm still a fan of his though I'm starting to sag distinctly now in opinion with all the shite thats been going on.

[Guest Just call me Dan]

Of course we have to have some cynical jackass come on here and try to flex his smark muscle. You, my friend, did not need to make that post, nor do any of us care for your sarcastic remarks.

 

I thought the Iron Man match was excellent, especially when you consider the work put into the thing. You have to be in there for an hour and keep your timing and still entertain the crowd? Hats off there. The production was a mess, but it was fairly passive when you realize the work put into the match.

 

Oh yeah and HHH Sucks!

 

[Guest bob_barron]

What's the problem with Tim coming in and voicing his opinion? He didn't like Trips' work in 2000 and this was a thread about 2000.

 

I dont mind the Taker ending because it was pretty cool and I understand why they did it- they had to get the belt off Rock w/o making him look like a loser

[Guest Sakura]

Why did they HAVE to get the belt off Rock? He won it back 4 weeks later.

[Guest SP-1]

My problem isn't with Taker returning. My problem is a combination of Taker's return overshadowing what was, to me, a *** match from Rocky and H, and the botched visual production.

 

Which isn't to say I hate WWE production now or anything. It was a likely mistake on their part and that's cool. It just detracts from the overall end of the match for me. If I do watch it I'll just ignore that ending and say H beat Rock after a hard fought match.

[Guest bob_barron]

Why did they HAVE to get the belt off Rock? He won it back 4 weeks later.

I dont think they ever intended for him to win the belt at Backlash but they had b/c everyone HATED the Mania finish.

 

I think they gave it back to him when they realised HHH ran out of gas a champ

[Guest Sakura]

Nah, I think they knew what they were doing. They wanted the feud to continue so they couldn't have HHH continue to win and they brought in Austin to spike the buyrate and he HAD to help Rock win.

[Guest bob_barron]

I think if the fans hadn't completely revolved at the Wrestlemania finish then Rock wouldn't have gotten the title.

[Guest Choken One]

I must have been the lone person who LIKED the WM2000 finish...It was something different for once. I'm not advocating another Heel win but it allowed that match to have JUST another little history mark.

 

 

Here is an unrelated question...In 1993, at WMIX...Yokozuna was clearly going over Bret...Was there any outcry about a Heel going over at that time? I doubt the Hogan thing was known or maybe it was...I wasn't Smarkminded in 1993.

[Guest webmasterofwrestlegame]

Bob: I recall Mick Foley in one of his books saying that Vince thought he could get one more PPV out of Rock vs. Trips after Mania, and decided to keep the belt on Trips until then. Foley raised this point as it was the first WM where a babyface didn't take home the title.

 

Of course, it turned out Vince needed HHH v Rock for a few more PPV's.

 

I could be wrong, but I am sure I read something to that effect.

[Guest Michael Joel Benoit]

Even though I think the Rock/HHH Iron Man Match as an excellent ****match, I just don't think it stacks up against the greatest wrestling matches of all time. (I'm talking Savage/Steamboat, Owen/Bret, Flair/Steamboat territory here) The ending ruined the flow of the whole match and there were some parts that were slow (brawling). And I don't believe that Shawn Michaels HAD to be the referee for the match. He didn't really make that much of an impact as he called it right down the middle and cut a bitter promo the next night on RAW then disappearing for a month. And what was up with the bicycle shorts?

 

But otherwise, it was a great match that makes me yearn for the days when Triple H could put on great match after great match.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Here is an unrelated question...In 1993, at WMIX...Yokozuna was clearly going over Bret...Was there any outcry about a Heel going over at that time? I doubt the Hogan thing was known or maybe it was...I wasn't Smarkminded in 1993.

 

The plan was always for Bret to go over Yokozuna, but it was Hogan who decided he wanted another title run and convinced Vince to change it to the finish we saw.

[Guest Sakura]

One cool thing about the 2000 and X7 finishes is that we can never again say with 100% certainty that the face will walk way with the belt.

 

Angle could actually win at X9...

[Guest Brian]

HHH put out great matches? As in he was the contributing factor?

[Guest Shaneomac]

There was also a pretty damn good Benoit vs Y2J match at JD 00 also.

[Guest bob_barron]

And a kickass 3-way between the Radicalz and a fun opener.

 

The brawling didn't bother me too much as they were trying to conserve energy and I loved how towards the end they were winning falls off moves that don't normally get pinfalls.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

I think it's a hell of a match, and that pisses me off even more when you see undertaker's stupid face on the cover with 'UNDERTAKER RETURNS' plastered all over it. And of course, saturn kicks a considerable degree of ass on that tape also. I forget which benoit/jericho match is on there now, was it the blackout finish? That one's my favourite. He turned purple. Heh.

[Guest Michael Joel Benoit]

Well to be fair, you can see Triple H and Rock's faces on Taker's sunglasses though not that clearly. It takes a few seconds for you to notice that their faces are on the glasses on the cover.