Do you believe there is a leftist bias

[Guest Some Guy]

Good, now go to www.Newsandopinion.com and read Thomas Sowell and Larry Elder. I'll convert you if it kills me.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

Sigh. Why are celebs only praised when they praise Bush?

Celebs can say whatever they want. But, I agree with the ones that praise Bush, so naturally I'll agree with them.

[Guest JMA]

I will say this about bias: Fox News is more right-wing than CNN is left-wing. We all know Colmes is a jobber to Hannity. The show resembled the Undertaker squashing a new guy. At least on Crossfire you get to hear both sides evenly. In other words, for all the crap CNN gets about being "too liberal," it is actually more moderate than Fox News. Screw the ratings. I prefer online news, but CNN is the best news network on television, IMO. And I think it will always remain as the most respected.

[Guest DrTom]

I will say this about bias: Fox News is more right-wing than CNN is left-wing.

That's true now, yes. Ten years ago, maybe even five, it wasn't. CNN used to be quite liberal, but they've moved in a much more moderate direction for the last few years. I used to hate their news coverage, and now I like it. Fox being right-wing doesn't really bother me, since I agree more with the right than the left, but I wish they'd own up to it and stop trying to hide behind false claims of being unbiased.

[Guest Dangerous A]

but I wish they'd own up to it and stop trying to hide behind false claims of being unbiased.

Just like I'd like it if the big 3 (ABC,NBC,CBS) would also stop hiding behind their false claims of being unbiased. (Bernie Goldberg's book, definite must read)

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

I saw Goldberg on Hardball last night, and I have to say that his definition of "bias" is pretty much the same as mine when it comes to Big Media. (Thanks to Dreamer for saying Dennis Miller was on Donahue -- I watched the last half-hour of that show and stuck around for Hardball.)

 

Although I disagree with him about a few things, particulary the Alabama chain gang incident (for those that know what I'm talking about). I don't think it was "liberal" bias; I just think the wishy-washy senior producer was afraid of being called a racist because they would have aired 19 black guys picking up roadkill in shackles.

 

To prove my point, a Philly newspaper got some flack recently for showing the pictures of some fugitives on the loose and most, if not all, of them were either black or Hispanic, so I understand where that senior producer was coming from, even though I think he's a punk for p*ssying out...

 

http://www.bet.com/articles/1,,c1gb3837-4522,00.html

[Guest JMA]

Just like I'd like it if the big 3 (ABC,NBC,CBS) would also stop hiding behind their false claims of being unbiased. (Bernie Goldberg's book, definite must read)

Bernie had his ass handed to him by Al Frankin (say what you want about him, but he was right this time). Bernie couldn't even get the own facts straight in his book. And I sure as hell am not going to read a book where someone accuses the media of being "liberal" while ignoring Fox. That's unacceptable. And I don't think the Big Three is really THAT biased. They have more liberals than conservatives, but that's about it. I'm not a leftist myself (I just like their social views) but am sympathetic to them.

 

My problem with the Right is their overtly religious members, their views on what is "moral" and what isn't, and their desire to stay in the fifties. I'm thinking of going Libertarian myself. They seem the less biased of the parties and have some very good beliefs. But I will not read any book they blames liberals RIGHT ON THE COVER. That strikes me as very lazy. To be fair, sometimes real bleeding heart liberals annoy me, but I think their (bleeding) hearts are in the right place. I think conservatives would do better if they denounced idiots who support them like Falwell, Robertson, and Buchanan. They also need younger, smarter guys and less old farts.

 

I sometimes agree with Tucker Carlson because he isn't a Bible thumper like some of the Right.

[Guest JMA]

(Thanks to Dreamer for saying Dennis Miller was on Donahue -- I watched the last half-hour of that show and stuck around for Hardball.)

No problem, yo. I see Donahue as the left-wing version of Rush Limbaugh myself. Phil's a funny guy (in a good way). BTW, I'm from Alabama myself. Man, our govenor (Bob Riley) totally sucks. He's a Republican and was critised by O'Reilly. Sometimes Bill is okay (as long as he doesn't preach).

[Guest JMA]

Here's an article I thought was relevent.

 

http://www.fair.org/reports/journalist-survey.html

[Guest Spicy McHaggis]

And I sure as hell am not going to read a book where someone accuses the media of being "liberal" while ignoring Fox.

His book was on network television, i.e. the big three.

 

And I do think there is liberal bias in most media. One of the arguments often not used is: the media as gatekeepers and agenda-setters. The media controls the flow of information and tells you not what to think, but what to think about. It isn't just biased coverage of events, it's biased choices of which events to cover.

[Guest Some Guy]

Just like I'd like it if the big 3 (ABC,NBC,CBS) would also stop hiding behind their false claims of being unbiased. (Bernie Goldberg's book, definite must read)

Bernie had his ass handed to him by Al Frankin (say what you want about him, but he was right this time). Bernie couldn't even get the own facts straight in his book. And I sure as hell am not going to read a book where someone accuses the media of being "liberal" while ignoring Fox. That's unacceptable. And I don't think the Big Three is really THAT biased. They have more liberals than conservatives, but that's about it. I'm not a leftist myself (I just like their social views) but am sympathetic to them.

 

My problem with the Right is their overtly religious members, their views on what is "moral" and what isn't, and their desire to stay in the fifties. I'm thinking of going Libertarian myself. They seem the less biased of the parties and have some very good beliefs. But I will not read any book they blames liberals RIGHT ON THE COVER. That strikes me as very lazy. To be fair, sometimes real bleeding heart liberals annoy me, but I think their (bleeding) hearts are in the right place. I think conservatives would do better if they denounced idiots who support them like Falwell, Robertson, and Buchanan. They also need younger, smarter guys and less old farts.

 

I sometimes agree with Tucker Carlson because he isn't a Bible thumper like some of the Right.

I watched the replay on Hardball and didn't see Al Frankin, am I blind?

 

Dreamer teh reason he didn't mention Fox News was because he was writing about a LIBERAL bias in the mainstream media (ABC, CBS (which he worked for for 28 years), and NBC). If he were talkng about a conservative bia, I'd be willing to bet that Fox News would be on the cover and rightly so. That wasn't the subject of the book, so why mention it? Goldberg did mention Fox News on Hardball and called it conservative.

 

Read the book and you'll se what he is talking about and you'll see that Goldberg is a liberal, not Rush Limbaugh in a mask.

[Guest JMA]

I watched the replay on Hardball and didn't see Al Frankin, am I blind?

This was on a differant show. Donahue. I think it wason about a month ago.

[Guest bob_barron]

Al Franken is a fucking asshole.

[Guest JMA]

Al Franken is a fucking asshole.

I disagree. I think Rush Limbaugh is a "fucking asshole" as you call it. The same goes for Rush Junior (Sean Hannity).

[Guest bob_barron]

I've met Al Franken and he was a fucking asshole.

 

I don't get FoxNews anymore but I didnt mind Hannity to much when I occassionally watched

[Guest JMA]

I've met Al Franken and he was a fucking asshole.

 

I don't get FoxNews anymore but I didnt mind Hannity to much when I occassionally watched

I don't care what he is personally like. All I know is that he hates Rush and so do I. I have Fox News deleted from my channel list. If you are just flipping the channel is skipped over. What exactly did Franken say to piss you off so much? I know you're a Republican, so did he say something against your party? Or was it something non partisan? I really want to know.

[Guest bob_barron]

I met the guy and I went up to him and told him I enjoyed the books he wrote and he just said replied: Good in a very rude matter

 

I then complimented him on an SNL skit he did and he was just like: Yea-whatever and again came off as very rude.

 

As a special bonus he signed my notebook-

Grow Up,

Al Franken

 

I understand he could've been having a bad day but my friend a few months later met him and also said he was an asshole.

 

I don't get FoxNews just because of my cable system doesnt have it. Whenever I go back home I watch it most of the day

[Guest JMA]

Wow. That sounds bad...

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

"As a special bonus he signed my notebook-

Grow Up,

Al Franken"

 

That's funny -- and not in a "ha ha" sort of way.

 

Were you like a giddy school girl groupie when you approached him, or was your notebook actually the most recent copy of the Limbaugh Letter?

 

Years ago some local talk-radio guy from KDKA, Chris Mohr, taught a broadcast class at my school for a semester. Being nice, the one time I met him I told him that I enjoyed his show -- I even recalled an instance on a show he was filling in as a host one time. He was a f*cking @sshole.

 

And I didn't even like his shows -- I was just trying to be nice. Heck, I bet I was the only student at that place that LISTENED to KDKA.

 

Bitch...

[Guest JMA]

Read the book and you'll se what he is talking about and you'll see that Goldberg is a liberal, not Rush Limbaugh in a mask.

Bernie's a liberal!? Wow. Are you sure about this? Any proof? I admit when I heard about his book I thought it was another Coulter-esque piece of shit, but now... Hm. Wait, if Bernie is a leftist, why was Rob "I hate liberals" Johnstone giving him a verbal blow-job?

[Guest Some Guy]

He says he is a liberal in his book and said it on Hardball the other night. He's just a reasonable and honest one. I doubt Rob knew he is a liberal, but if he did I'm sure he was giving him a "verbal blowjob" because the guy had the balls and the honesty to admit that there is a liberal bias in the mainstream news. Andy Rooney and his daughter Emily, both liberals admit it as well. Goldberg has said that many other liberals in the news have admitted to him off the record that there is a bias as well. The bias is not a conspirisy and I don't think any one else thinks that either. Most of the news people honestlt believe that there in no bias, just as I'm sure O'reilly really beleives that Fox News is not conservative. BUT IT is and there is a liberal bias in mainstream news.

WHy is it that conservatives (Tom and I) will admit to a conservative bias on Fox News, but most liberals (TYler and Dreamer, etc..) won't admit to a liberal bias in mainstream news?

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

That was a rather low blow.

 

When have I ever said "NO! THERE'S NO LIBERAL BIAS HAHAHAHAHAHAHA U CONSIRVATAVES SUXOR!!!!!!111!"

 

Never.

 

It's a fact that most journalists are rather liberal.

 

Duh.

 

Bias is also a loose term, though.

[Guest bob_barron]

"As a special bonus he signed my notebook-

Grow Up,

Al Franken"

 

That's funny -- and not in a "ha ha" sort of way.

 

Were you like a giddy school girl groupie when you approached him, or was your notebook actually the most recent copy of the Limbaugh Letter?

 

Years ago some local talk-radio guy from KDKA, Chris Mohr, taught a broadcast class at my school for a semester. Being nice, the one time I met him I told him that I enjoyed his show -- I even recalled an instance on a show he was filling in as a host one time. He was a f*cking @sshole.

 

And I didn't even like his shows -- I was just trying to be nice. Heck, I bet I was the only student at that place that LISTENED to KDKA.

 

Bitch...

Not really-

 

I was just like: Hey- Al Franken.

 

And my notebook didn't contain any republican paraphanalia.

 

So yea- That's why I dislike Al Franken even though his book Why Not Me? is pretty funny

[Guest meanmaisch]

Why Not Me? is an excellent piece of political satire. Its also a good read for those who don't particularly care for Franken's political beliefs, as it doesn't beat the reader over the head with Franken's liberal ideals.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

I've heard from people that Al Franken takes politics very seriously, and wouldn't find it humerous if you asked him to autograph Biased, or one of Rush's books.

[Guest JMA]

WHy is it that conservatives (Tom and I) will admit to a conservative bias on Fox News, but most liberals (TYler and Dreamer, etc..) won't admit to a liberal bias in mainstream news?

Don't generalize other liberals just because I do something. And I agree with Tyler, the bias isn't in the network itself, it's just that most journalists DO lean left. And if I recall correctly, DrTom clearly said he only agrees with the Right on most issues. But he's also described himself as a social liberal. I, on the other hand, haven't really decided on becoming left... yet. I just like liberalism MORE than conservativism. But I am also a frequent visitor to the libertarian homepage and think they have some great ideas (despite their contrasts to liberalism).

[Guest DrTom]

And if I recall correctly, DrTom clearly said he only agrees with the Right on most issues. But he's also described himself as a social liberal.

What I said was that I agree with the Right far more often than I agree with the Left, which is why I don't mind the bias of Fox News; I just wish they'd own up to it and stop lying. I am a social liberal, yes, but I am very much a fiscal and foreign policy conservative. It's why I describe myself as a small-L libertarian: the basic ideals of the movement, without any of the downright scary and stupid things the capital-L party advocates.

[Guest MrRant]

So... you are anti-Capital letters.

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

yes he is

[Guest DrTom]

In the sense of libertarian vs. Libertarian, very much so.