Do you believe there is a leftist bias

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

Dreamer is mostly right. The right-wingers get more attention by yelling a lot. Also, a lot of these arguments that they have bring in ratings, because while people hate to argue themselves, they looooooove listening to it. The leftist show would probably be a lot more peaceful, you know, not really promote conflict.

[Guest Spicy McHaggis]

There will soon be a Liberal Democratic radio-station.

And it will fail.

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

But is there really a Conservative Republican radio station either?

 

The point is that any station established with a singlular politcal agenda will fail, regardless of its left or right stance.

[Guest Olympic Slam]

But is there really a Conservative Republican radio station either?

KSFO in northern California is round the clock conservative commentary. Starting with a hilarious morning show. Followed by Rush Limabugh, Sean Hannity, Dr. Laura, Michael Savage, Brian Wilson, then a second hour of Hannity. After that its Coast to Coast AM on weekdays which isn't really political. The weekend stuff in the afternoon is all conservative but I never listen to it.

 

Oh yeah and the station is HUGELY popular even here in the People's Republic of San Francisco Bay Area

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

Yawn.

 

The LIBERAL MEDIA~! is just a tired excuse for why your president is getting thumped, really. There ARE conservative journalists in EVERY publication. What makes it more liberal, a fucking 51% majority? Well, hee-haw, ya got us!

 

If you stare at the editorials pages for your news, you're a fucking idiot anyway. Little opinion is taken into account in the front few pages (the ones most people read) anyways; it's usually just... GASP... reporting the news. Perhaps when you get into page A15 you're gonna get some agenda-influencing articles, but for the most part, it's just. the. fucking. news.

 

Point me out a true liberal-driven front page article (where the journalist spews partisan drivel) and I'll show you a newspaper who has no circulation.

 

Stop hiding behind the "OMG! BIAS!" card and get fucking real.

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

Also, guess what... these LIBERAL~! newspapers also blasted us with 100000000 front page articles on "OMG BILL GOT A BLOWJOB!" People look for muckraking and sensationalism; whether it's liberal or conservative at the time, it's sure as hell guaranteed to be overblown and oversignificant.

 

People read for that shit, not for bias.

[Guest JMA]

And it will fail.

In your opinion. I say it will florish. We will soon see who is right.

[Guest JMA]

Followed by Rush Limabugh, Sean Hannity, Dr. Laura, Michael Savage, Brian Wilson, then a second hour of Hannity.

Scary stuff.

[Guest Some Guy]

And it will fail.

In your opinion. I say it will florish. We will soon see who is right.

You're wrong. For whatever reason Conservatives are successful with commentary based radio and TV shows and Liberals aren't. Rush gets better ratings than NPR and he isn't supported bt the Gov't.

I think that it might in part be becauee Rush is an entertaining guy, he has a personality and is funny. NPR puts me to sleep. It's like listening to Ben Stein (who is Conservative BTW, he was a Nixon speech writer among other things) on horse tranquilizers. O'Reilly kicks the shit out of Donahue. O'Reilly=interesting and charismatic. Donahue=whiny and drab.

 

As for Convervative radio stations WRKO here in Boston has a conservative morning show, two ignorant (they don't know what tehy are talking about for the most part) women mid-morning, Rush, Howie Carr (a local guy who has been on O'Reilly, Hannity and Colmes [Colmes hates him], Nachman, etc...), Savage, and then anothre local Conservative. And WRKO's sister station, the most listened to sports local station in the country has mostly conservative hosts, but that really doesn't come into play unless something big happens.

 

NPR is really the only leftist station I know of and they wouldn't be around if the taxpayers weren't footing the bill.

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

I must be the only person I know in real life who doesn't listen to NPR.

[Guest Dangerous A]

Tyler, I don't think anyone is saying the media is throwing out left sided front page articles and headlines. And what is your 51% reference to? It shouldn't be to what the media is because it's a fact that 75% or higher see themselves as democrat or liberal.

 

Answer me this, why is it when you read a mainstream newspaper (New York Times example) or watch a mainstream news cast that they always label republicans or people to the right as "conservatives", but you never hear the term "liberal" thrown out when describing anyone to the left? It's as if the media has to warn you about someone who's views are to the right, but feel no inclination to do this when describing anyone to the left. It's because they feel that if your views are to the right, you are an extremist. If you are to the left, then it's just the common sense/decency route and there's no need to label that person or group. That is the liberal bias that I see when I want straight news.

[Guest Olympic Slam]

Tyler, I don't think anyone is saying the media is throwing out left sided front page articles and headlines. And what is your 51% reference to? It shouldn't be to what the media is because it's a fact that 75% or higher see themselves as democrat or liberal.

 

Answer me this, why is it when you read a mainstream newspaper (New York Times example) or watch a mainstream news cast that they always label republicans or people to the right as "conservatives", but you never hear the term "liberal" thrown out when describing anyone to the left? It's as if the media has to warn you about someone who's views are to the right, but feel no inclination to do this when describing anyone to the left. It's because they feel that if your views are to the right, you are an extremist. If you are to the left, then it's just the common sense/decency route and there's no need to label that person or group. That is the liberal bias that I see when I want straight news.

Exactly, Republicans and most conservatives come with a warning level or varying degress of extreme. You NEVER hear this about liberals. For all I know, Ralph Nader is just to the left of George Bush. For all I know, Dick Gephardt is a communist. For all I know, there is no real difference between Hillary Clinton and Gary Ackerman. If any group should come with a warning label, it should be the left. Its taken years for me to determine which one's are the moderates, which one's are the centrists, and which one's are the socialists. On the right, there's nothing but wimpy moderates and RINOs. (Republicans IN Name Only)

[Guest JMA]

You're wrong.

You can tell the future? You're simply assuming they won't be successful. The reason liberals aren't as popular is because they don't scream till they're red in the face (like a lot of radio conservatives do).

[Guest JMA]

On the right, there's nothing but wimpy moderates and RINOs. (Republicans IN Name Only)

And how do YOU determine if someone is a RINO? And although they may be rare nowadays, there ARE Liberal Republicans.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

You're wrong.

You can tell the future? You're simply assuming they won't be successful. The reason liberals aren't as popular is because they don't scream till they're red in the face (like a lot of radio conservatives do).

Screaming isn't what makes Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity popular. They know how to bring in an audience and entertain people. So far no liberals have been able to do this.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

On the right, there's nothing but wimpy moderates and RINOs. (Republicans IN Name Only)

And how do YOU determine if someone is a RINO? And although they may be rare nowadays, there ARE Liberal Republicans.

Lincoln Chaffee from Rhode Island is a RINO. Jim Jeffords was a RINO.

[Guest Some Guy]

You're wrong.

You can tell the future? You're simply assuming they won't be successful. The reason liberals aren't as popular is because they don't scream till they're red in the face (like a lot of radio conservatives do).

Screaming isn't what makes Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity popular. They know how to bring in an audience and entertain people. So far no liberals have been able to do this.

Exactly.

 

Didn't I explain this in my post or did you stop reading after "You're wrong"? The Conservatives on Radio have a personality. They can be funny at times and come across for the most part like normal people. Many liberals in general (Clinton and Carville and a few other excpeted) are just fucking boring. As if it's not bad enough that they're wrong 99% of the time they have to be boring while being wrong. It's a bad combo.

[Guest LooseCannon]

Conservatism translates into populism better than liberalism does (except for the class-warfare thing which no one has really been able to sell in this country anyway), and that's why, I think, Conservative talk-shows tend to be more successful than liberal ones.

[Guest JMA]

Lincoln Chaffee from Rhode Island is a RINO. Jim Jeffords was a RINO.

You still haven't explained how YOU determine if someone is a RINO or not. Please elaborate.

[Guest JMA]

Screaming isn't what makes Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity popular. They know how to bring in an audience and entertain people. So far no liberals have been able to do this.

Well, I suppose you're right. Sensationalism IS pretty entertaining. As is their pandering to the so-called "common man."

[Guest Olympic Slam]

You're wrong.

You can tell the future? You're simply assuming they won't be successful. The reason liberals aren't as popular is because they don't scream till they're red in the face (like a lot of radio conservatives do).

Screaming isn't what makes Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity popular. They know how to bring in an audience and entertain people. So far no liberals have been able to do this.

Exactly.

 

Didn't I explain this in my post or did you stop reading after "You're wrong"? The Conservatives on Radio have a personality. They can be funny at times and come across for the most part like normal people. Many liberals in general (Clinton and Carville and a few other excpeted) are just fucking boring. As if it's not bad enough that they're wrong 99% of the time they have to be boring while being wrong. It's a bad combo.

It doesn't help that liberals are for the most part self-hating mental cases who approach every issue with cynicism. I can't imagine anyone wanting to listen to Carville bark for three hours on the way home from work. Liberals and their whole agend is always too negative anyway, everything is a social outcry it seems. People want to be entertained, not barraged about how horrible it is that the minimum wage isn't .50 cents higher.

 

And really, do any liberals (outside of the Hollywood hogwash) have any personality that could make their shows entertaining? At least Michael Savage (as rude and as mean as he is) is a load of entertainment. Hell, even NoCalMike listens to him! Maybe Al Franken or Michael Moore might be able to get a show going, but their spiel will be so negative it's a hit and miss prospect. Alan Colmes even admitted on Hannity and Colmes last night that Liberal radio just flat out doesn't work.

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

Please provide an example of your allegations that the news media never labels someone as liberal, but always provides this disclaimer about someone whose view is conservative.

 

I want solid information, not your BS speculation, either.

[Guest LooseCannon]

How is he going to prove that? Cite every news piece that calls someone a conservative and fails to call someone else a liberal?

[Guest JMA]

Didn't I explain this in my post or did you stop reading after "You're wrong"? The Conservatives on Radio have a personality. They can be funny at times and come across for the most part like normal people. Many liberals in general (Clinton and Carville and a few other excpeted) are just fucking boring. As if it's not bad enough that they're wrong 99% of the time they have to be boring while being wrong. It's a bad combo.

No, I read your post. I just don't agree with your hypothesis. True, they have a personality. I'll give you that. You're implying that Liberals can't be funny and/or come across as normal people? Hell, I've NEVER considered Limbaugh to be "normal." (even before what I knew what the words "liberal' and "conservative" meant). Wrong 99% of the time? Give me a fucking break. These radio conservatives promote sensationilism and tend to be blame Liberals for EVERYTHING. Now THAT'S a bad combo (and very lazy). The people who listen to these shows simply want to hear what they WANT to hear.

 

They don't want opposing viewpoints, they just want people to tell them they're right and those who oppose are wrong. They villainize so-called "Liberals" and use them as scapegoats.

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

How is he going to prove that? Cite every news piece that calls someone a conservative and fails to call someone else a liberal?

That's exactly the point.

 

It's impossible to prove; it's simply retarded personal logic and it has no place in an objective debate.

[Guest Olympic Slam]

Please provide an example of your allegations that the news media never labels someone as liberal, but always provides this disclaimer about someone whose view is conservative.

 

I want solid information, not your BS speculation, either.

Well, seeing as how I *gasp* read the newspaper I can attest to this happening quite often. Wait for the elections in March of 2004 and you'll really see how bad this is. It was very rare that I read an article this past election about a liberal candidate that was actually reffered to as a full out "liberal." Apparently Gray Davis is a "moderate democrat" and Bill Simon was a "far right business man."

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

Please provide an example of your allegations that the news media never labels someone as liberal, but always provides this disclaimer about someone whose view is conservative.

 

I want solid information, not your BS speculation, either.

Well, seeing as how I *gasp* read the newspaper I can attest to this happening quite often. Wait for the elections in March of 2004 and you'll really see how bad this is. It was very rare that I read an article this past election about a liberal candidate that was actually reffered to as a full out "liberal." Apparently Gray Davis is a "moderate democrat" and Bill Simon was a "far right business man."

*sigh*

 

I want quotes that support both of those statements.

[Guest Mad Dog]

Read the Goldberg book on the Media.

 

He gives lots of examples of the truth vs. what the media tells you.

[Guest Olympic Slam]

Please provide an example of your allegations that the news media never labels someone as liberal, but always provides this disclaimer about someone whose view is conservative.

 

I want solid information, not your BS speculation, either.

Well, seeing as how I *gasp* read the newspaper I can attest to this happening quite often. Wait for the elections in March of 2004 and you'll really see how bad this is. It was very rare that I read an article this past election about a liberal candidate that was actually reffered to as a full out "liberal." Apparently Gray Davis is a "moderate democrat" and Bill Simon was a "far right business man."

*sigh*

 

I want quotes that support both of those statements.

Sure let me go into the Bat Cave and find all those newspapers, news shows, magazines, flyers, pamphlets, candidate guides, and episodes of 20/20 I JUST happen to have archived.

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

I have plenty of databases of newspapers to which I can reference; however, I didn't make this stupid argument.

 

Back it up or it's a moot point.

 

Surely, you can find one instance in which each of those candidates was referred to in the manner you stated.