Chris Jericho: Finally fullfill his destiny...

[Guest Downhome]

Did anyone realize that Chris Jericho said this on RAW? Earlier in the night, before his match with Steiner, he said something about beating Steiner, and "finally" fullfilling his destiny, or something along those lines, by main eventing WrestleMania. Now, call me crazy, but didn't he main event WM last year? Maybe I dreamed it, but I don't think I did.

 

Have they even mentioned that at all lately? Are they trying to get the fans to totally forget about it? I'm not trying to start anything, don't get me wrong. I'm just wondering if I'm thinking about this right, or if I'm just crazy.

 

Sincerely,

...Downhome...

[Guest bob_barron]

At Royal Rumble he mentioned how once you main event Wrestlemania you want to do it again and again

[Guest Downhome]

At Royal Rumble he mentioned how once you main event Wrestlemania you want to do it again and again

So did he just fuck up on RAW, or was it scripted? Hmmmmmmm...

[Guest AndrewTS]

"After I win that match tonight, I'm going to go win the title at No Way Out, and fulfill my destiny as the World Champion at Wrestlemania!"

 

Technically, he's never been "World Champion" although he was "Undisputed Champion." He's held the big gold belt during that period, but now it's not the WCW World Heavyweight Title but instead it's the WWE (Raw) World Title.

 

[Guest Downhome]

"After I win that match tonight, I'm going to go win the title at No Way Out, and fulfill my destiny as the World Champion at Wrestlemania!"

 

Technically, he's never been "World Champion" although he was "Undisputed Champion." He's held the big gold belt during that period, but now it's not the WCW World Heavyweight Title but instead it's the WWE (Raw) World Title.

 

It was called the World Title durring the time Jericho held it.

[Guest bob_barron]

It was the WWF Undisputed Title. Jericho was the Undisputed Champion.

 

Now it's the World Title. Jericho wants to go into Wrestlemania as World Champion

[Guest Downhome]

It was the WWF Undisputed Title. Jericho was the Undisputed Champion.

 

Now it's the World Title. Jericho wants to go into Wrestlemania as World Champion

I understand that, but the Undisputed title was two titles. It was the WWE World Title, and the World Title. It was called Undisputed, simply because he had both.

[Guest bob_barron]

But the World Title he defended at Wrestlemania is different in terms of lineage then the one he currently has now- so I guess that's what he was referring to.

 

Or he just slipped up

[Guest Downhome]

But the World Title he defended at Wrestlemania is different in terms of lineage then the one he currently has now- so I guess that's what he was referring to.

 

Or he just slipped up

How is it different? He was holding the very same title that HHH has now, PLUS the one that Kurt Angle has now. I think he just slipped up, either that or they told him to say it.

[Guest treble charged]

No. HHH's World title should NOT be considered the same one that became a part of the Undisputed title. That lineage is technically in Angle's belt now, even if they don't acknowledge it.

[Guest C-Bacon]

So the World Title has 2 Lineages?? (the current version and WCW title before the unification)?

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

Doesn't matter, because the Booker/Trips match that I called on Monday night will be going down at Wrestlemania, with BOOKER GOING OVER, DAMMIT!!!!!!

[Guest treble charged]

Well, I consider them to have two different lineages.

 

The WCW title which became the World title after Survivor Series 2001 and then became part of the Undisupted title is one.

 

HHH's belt's lineage is HHH -> HBK -> HHH, that's it.

 

Same belt, different title is how I look at it.

[Guest bob_barron]

The WCW Title's lineage is in the WWE Title which Kurt Angle currently holds.

 

The World Title began when Bischoff gave the belt to Triple H.

[Guest Downhome]

The WCW Title's lineage is in the WWE Title which Kurt Angle currently holds.

 

The World Title began when Bischoff gave the belt to Triple H.

Would you care to explain that? The WORLD TITLE was around as the second half of the Undisputed title. They then took both of those titles, got rid of them, and made one title for HHH called the Undisputed Title. After that, they then basicly split it back up into the two titles, WWE and WCW (World), for the roster split.

 

You are making no sense at all, it's obviously the same title that was the WCW title, with the same lineage. Hell, it's the EXACT same belt that was used way back from 1986, the same on the nWo spraypainted, etc...

[Guest notJames]

Well, I consider them to have two different lineages.

 

The WCW title which became the World title after Survivor Series 2001 and then became part of the Undisupted title is one.

 

HHH's belt's lineage is HHH -> HBK -> HHH, that's it.

 

Same belt, different title is how I look at it.

That pretty much sums it up for me.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

I think this goes back to Vince thinking that his fan's memories only go back 3 months.

[Guest treble charged]

Yes, it's the same BELT, but it's a different title. They never did anything to split the Undisputed title in 2, as on SmackDown, they never even acknowledged it, and just dropped the 'Undisputed' from the name after HHH was given the gold belt. Had they had a match with a screwy finish or something which would have left who the champion really was in doubt, I could buy your claim, but as it looks in my eyes, HHH's belt is just something Bischoff gave to him out of a briefcase.

[Guest Downhome]

Yes, it's the same BELT, but it's a different title.  They never did anything to split the Undisputed title in 2, as on SmackDown, they never even acknowledged it, and just dropped the 'Undisputed' from the name after HHH was given the gold belt.  Had they had a match with a screwy finish or something which would have left who the champion really was in doubt, I could buy your claim, but as it looks in my eyes, HHH's belt is just something Bischoff gave to him out of a briefcase.

The lineage for the WCW and WWE title was seperate obviously, untill Jericho joined them. The lineage for both were then on the same path, joined, untill the roster split, at which time SD got the WWE Championship, and Ric Flair brought back the World Title.

 

That's how I look at it anyhow.

[Guest treble charged]

Yes, it's the same BELT, but it's a different title.  They never did anything to split the Undisputed title in 2, as on SmackDown, they never even acknowledged it, and just dropped the 'Undisputed' from the name after HHH was given the gold belt.  Had they had a match with a screwy finish or something which would have left who the champion really was in doubt, I could buy your claim, but as it looks in my eyes, HHH's belt is just something Bischoff gave to him out of a briefcase.

Do you not realized that they simply brought it back? The lineage for the WCW and WWE title was seperate obviously, untill Jericho joined them. The lineage for both were then on the same path, joined, untill the roster split, at which time SD got the WWE Championship, and Ric Flair brought back the World Title.

 

I thought all of this was obvious.

They had an Undisputed champion that wrestled on both shows until SummerSlam, after which Stephanie signed Brock exclusively to SmackDown. Brock's title (now Angle's) is the one that has the entire WCW title lineage.

 

HHH's title may have the IC, US, Hardcore, and European title lineages worked in there somewhere, but it is NOT the WCW title.

[Guest Mole]

Okay, I understand what BOTH of you are talking about.

 

See Downhome, it is the same belt. However, when Eric gave the World title to Triple-Juice, it started a whole NEW title reign.

[Guest bob_barron]

The lineage of the WCW Title-

Ric Flair

Vacant

Lex Luger

Sting

Vader

Ron Simmons

Vader

Sting

Vader

Ric Flair

Vacant

Ric Flair

::Ric Flair unifies WCW Int'l Title::

Hulk Hogan

The Giant

Vacant

Randy Savage

Ric Flair

Randy Savage

Ric Flair

The Giant

Hulk Hogan

Lex Luger

Hulk Hogan

Sting

Vacant

Sting

Randy Savage

Hulk Hogan

Goldberg

Kevin Nash

Hulk Hogan

Ric Flair

DDP

Sting

DDP

Kevin Nash

Randy Savage

Hulk Hogan

Sting

Goldberg

Vacant

Bret Hart

Vacant

Bret Hart

Vacant

Chris Benoit

Vacant

Sid

Vacant

Kevin Nash

Sid

Vacant

Jeff Jarrett

Diamond Dallas Page

Jeff Jarrett

David Arquette

Jeff Jarrett

Booker T

Kevin Nash

Booker T

Vince Russo

Vacant

Booker T

Scott Steiner

Booker T

 

WCW sold to WWF- Booker T still champion-

Booker T

Kurt Angle

Booker T

Rock

Chris Jericho

Rock

::WCW title changed to world title::

Rock

::Title becomes part of Undisputed Title with WWF Title::

Chris Jericho

Triple H

Hulk Hogan

Undertaker

Rock

Brock Lesnar

::Brock jumps to SD!- title becomes EXCLUSIVE to Smackdown!::

Brock Lesnar

Big Show

Kurt Angle

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Well I still think they should've gone with HHH and Jericho both pinning Steph the night of the Draft so that each one could take a belt to there respective show and we wouldn't have to worry about this mess now.

Hey since it's the Undisputed Champions choice to compete on which show, why doesn't Kurt ever defend on RAW? I mean Brock lost the belt so it's all up to Kurt.

[Guest bob_barron]

Because you can only be traded between brands.

[Guest treble charged]

Yeah, and since Angle's not technically the 'Undisupted' champion, they can use that as a loophole of sorts.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Hell, it's the EXACT same belt that was used way back from 1986, the same on the nWo spraypainted, etc...

Actually, the belt that the WWE uses is a replica because the original WCW Title is bent.

[Guest Downhome]

Hell, it's the EXACT same belt that was used way back from 1986, the same on the nWo spraypainted, etc...

Actually, the belt that the WWE uses is a replica because the original WCW Title is bent.

It was fixed, after that happened. The current belt is the same one they've had for years. There have been repairs made to it, it's been replated obviously, but it remains the same belt.

[Guest bob_barron]

But you agree that the World title is completely seperate from the Undisputed Titles that Jericho had right?

[Guest jester]

"After I win that match tonight, I'm going to go win the title at No Way Out, and fulfill my destiny as the World Champion at Wrestlemania!"

 

Technically, he's never been "World Champion" although he was "Undisputed Champion."  He's held the big gold belt during that period, but now it's not the WCW World Heavyweight Title but instead it's the WWE (Raw) World Title.

 

It was called the World Title durring the time Jericho held it.

Jericho's statement is pretty ambiguous. "Fulfill my destiny as the World Champion at Wrestlemania" is open to interpretation. What is that destiny? To HHH, Jericho has already fulfilled that destiny by jobbing the belt to him at WMX8. To HHH, that is Jericho's destiny.

 

But let's assume Jericho means "Fulfill my destiny BY BECOMING the World Champion at Wrestlemania," which is probably what he meant. This is ok for him to say, because he has never won a World/Undisputed/Top Level belt at WM. He's only defended one there, and lost.

 

Winning the top championship at WM would be the career highlight for any wrestler.

 

Too bad he's gunning for the Cliqueweight Belt.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Bischoff never took back his claim of the Undisputed Title. Had he done that, then yes this would be the same title as the WCW title, and would have worked better. It is the same physical belt, but the lineage remains on Smackdown ever since Steph signed Brock to an exclusive title. The World Title is not the same as the World Title that was around last year. The Undisputed Champion is Kurt Angle, and he holds that lineage. He is no longer called the Undisputed Champion however, because there is a new World Champion, and he isn't the undisputed champion if there is another one.

 

The same principle is at work with the tag titles. The Dudleys unified the titles at Survivor Series 2001. Those titles are currently in the hands of the Commonwealth Connection, and have the history of both the WCW and WWF tag titles. Steph created her own tag championship that has lineage back to Angle/Benoit. The reason people don't complain about those titles not meaning anything, is because of the tournament and great title matches that made them mean something after the fact.

 

Basically, it is as follows.

 

WWE Championship = Undisputed Title, WCW Title, WWF Title, World Title (Dec 2001)

 

World Championship = IC, US, Euro, Hardcore, North American, etc.

 

World Tag Team = WWF Tag Team, WCW Tag Team

 

WWE Tag Team = Nothing earlier than the current incarnation of the title.

 

WWE Cruiserweight = WCW Cruiserweight

It does not contain the legacy of the WWF Lightheavyweight Title, which was last seen in the possession of X-Pac, and just dropped.