Michael Jackson: Declaration of J. Chandler...

[Guest Downhome]

What I'm talking about is this affidavit that was from the 1993 case against Michael Jaskson, when all of the talk about him doing things to children began. As we all know, they settled out of court for what I believe ended up being about 25 million dollars, and then that was the end of this. Do you feel that any of this is true, especially after the Michael Jackson program that was no ABC recently? Anyhow, here is the link...

 

Decraration of J. Chandler

 

...so read it, if you've never read it before, and speak on it. It's truly disgusting, true, or not. I don't know what to think about all of this, but I will say this. If it's true, and it could very well be, then the man does not belong being in society, no more than any other person who would do that to kids, period.

 

Sincerely,

...Downhome...

[Guest bob_barron]

::paging Use your Illusion::

[Guest CanadianChris]

That is the most disgusting thing I've ever read.

 

I was amused at MJ just happening to be at a Rent-a-Wreck, though.

[Guest papacita]

Mike is a weird dude, but I doubt that it's true. He seems a little too naive to me.

[Guest bob_barron]

I think this kid just wanted some cash. I don't think this is true either

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

Jackson is a fuckin werdo.

[Guest Marshall]

Before anything, let me say that I think Jackson is a child endangering loon and should be heavily investigated regardless of whether charges are filed or not, buuut.....

 

That statement did not read like a 13 year-olds deposition. "...and then things got strange..." reeks of outside influence and sadly anything that makes me think this isn't the boy's testimony alone leads me to question the intentions of the suit.

[Guest Respect The 'Taker]

I really hate how people leap to judge a person when they have no humanly idea of comprehending what their mental state is, or experienced what they have.

 

Name me one person on the face of the planet that has under-gone what Michael Jackson has. The answer is , of course, absolutely no one. Take an extremely talented human being as a child, have his father beat the living crap out of him for simple reasons such as missing dance steps, then throw him into a MASSIVE media frenzy due to his talent allowing him to create the greatest musical achievement EVER accomplished and tell me just HOW that person wouldn't be a little different from the usual person today.

 

I'm sure you all know the details of Jackson's terrible childhood, thus fueling his need to surround himself with kids to compensate for the childhood he never knew.

 

Then you have this FUCKING bullshit, obviously NOT written by a child that's 13 years old. Think about it, Mr.Jackson doesn't have the mind of a 40 year old man, he has the mentality of a child. The fuckwits parents obviously SAW this and also caught eye of the oppurtunity to make some serious ca$h out of the situation. What way did Michael have out against claims like this? Sure he could of drawn out the court case if he knew he was right , but think twice before jumping to the conclusion that he ended it because the kid was RIGHT. One way or another, after that incident Jackson would have been labelled a child molesterer wether he won the case or not, Jackson knew this and obviously failed to see the point in even trying, thus ending the case.

 

What allows me to sleep at night is what happend to the bastard child who made these hidious and false claims. The kid was stalked by numerous Jackson fans, rocks were thrown at his house, death threats made to his family, he was attacked and he and his cheap family had to end up switching countries.

 

Serves the motherfuckers right. What goes around, comes around. I hope the little bastard rots in hell.

 

UYI

[Guest IDrinkRatsMilk]

What allows me to sleep at night is what happend to the bastard child who made these hidious and false claims. The kid was stalked by numerous Jackson fans, rocks were thrown at his house, death threats made to his family, he was attacked and he and his cheap family had to end up switching countries.

 

Serves the motherfuckers right. What goes around, comes around. I hope the little bastard rots in hell.

I think that's going a little too far. I happen to agree with most everything else you said, but I don't think the false allegations were really the kid's fault. His family are money grubbing bastards, but the kid's just being used. And now, not unlike Jacko, his childhood has been stolen.

[Guest Respect The 'Taker]

Agreed. I allow my obsession with MJ to get out of hands sometimes, I expect others to step in and say 'JUST CALM THE FUCK DOWN YOU PSYCHOPATH' every now and then, otherwise i'd be UNSTOPPABLE~!

 

The child is obviously a victim of his parents greed and is now permenently scarred as a result of that. But at his age he could have at least TRIED to make a stand, i mean money isn't everything, and Jackson gave him more than he could ever afford before the court case. It's truly sad that a person perfectly innocent who is trying to make the world a better place is the person who cops the most bullshit from everyone. Speaks in volumes how corrupt and exploited the planet is these days.

 

I can bet you that when Jackson dies, not only will i have a nervous breakdown, but the media will do some bullshit sympathy story outlinging how 'great' he was. I can see this slice of hypocricy come twenty-five-million miles away, but i'll still be sick to my stomach when it all happens.

 

The world is fucked.

 

UYI

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

I'm not trying to discredit MJ because I think the kid is full of it too, but your comment about no one going through as much as MJ is a little much.

 

And don't forget a lot of child molesters had an abusive childhood.

 

But with that said, I just think MJ is like you said.

[Guest Respect The 'Taker]

I'm not trying to discredit MJ because I think the kid is full of it too, but your comment about no one going through as much as MJ is a little much.

 

And don't forget a lot of child molesters had an abusive childhood.

 

But with that said, I just think MJ is like you said.

How is it too much? No one has been through what Jackson has. Jackson has been a musical phenom since the age of 12 and his star only got brighter and brighter. No one else has had their entire life given to them THAT way.

 

However if you were meaning that Jackson isn't the only abused child on the planet then sure, i wouldnt be stupid enough to claim something such as that.

 

I believe Jackson's actions towards helping others have proven he has come to terms with what he experienced and done his very best to over-come it. However, no one seems to remember that HEY, he's a human being like the rest of us.

 

UYI

[Guest Plushy Al Logan]

Sick shit.

[Guest Retro Rob]

I also believe that the suit was just the father's way to make a quick buck. Although Jackson is quite out there, I don't think he would molest a child, but I do believe that he was very odd relationships with many children. If the case was legit and I was the victim, I would not have settled out of the court. I would have went to court, won the damn thing and completly destoryed the guy who did this to me. Because of the settlement, I'm 99.99% sure that the whole thing never happened. Plus, why didn't any of the other children Michael masturbated with ever come out with it after seeing all the money this kid got.

 

Also, I feel very badly for the kid who had to move and all that. It's horrible what crazed fans will do.

[Guest Respect The 'Taker]

Why didn't any of the other children Michael masturbated with ever come out with it after seeing all the money this kid got.

My point exactly. There are so many things in this stupid case that prove it's all total bullshit and was orchestrated entirely for the financial gain of the boy's parents.

 

Sad what people will do for money.

 

UYI

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

While he is on the receiving end of bullshit alot of times, I think Michael Jackson is a motherfucking liar.

[Guest EricMM]

No one has been through what Jackson has

 

See that's where you're wrong UYI. A LOT of people have been through MUCH WORSE than michael jackson, with abusive parents and stolen childhoods, who ended up with absolutely nothing instead of however much Jacko is worth.

 

Plus, even if you can claim that Jackson is warrented in his wierdness, that doesn't mean he isn't a danger to others around him. Just because he didn't get a childhood doesn't mean it's ok for him to sleep in the same bed with children. He is not their parents, and if you see nothing wrong with what he does, you need to check your biases.

[Guest IDrinkRatsMilk]

I think that point is, that on top of his abusive childhood, Jackson then went on to become the biggest superstar in the world. And truly no one else has gone through that.

[Guest Respect The 'Taker]

No one has been through what Jackson has

 

See that's where you're wrong UYI. A LOT of people have been through MUCH WORSE than michael jackson, with abusive parents and stolen childhoods, who ended up with absolutely nothing instead of however much Jacko is worth.

 

Plus, even if you can claim that Jackson is warrented in his wierdness, that doesn't mean he isn't a danger to others around him. Just because he didn't get a childhood doesn't mean it's ok for him to sleep in the same bed with children. He is not their parents, and if you see nothing wrong with what he does, you need to check your biases.

He doesn't drug the children then take advantage of him. And don't tell me WHERE my priorities and morals should lie, you have no damn right to tell me what i should think or what i should support.

 

The children who sleep in Michael's bed are there via permission of their PARENTS. If the kid's parents think it is okay, then tell me WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? If everyone is happy, everyone is having a fun time, where's the crime? It's not like he's raping these children behind their parents back. Don't make Jackson out to be Ed Gein because you have issues with him, fact of the matter is that he is completely innocent and one of few people actually dedicated to making the world a better place.

 

And i believe IDRM covered this just now, when i stated that Jackson has experienced a unique lifestyle, it was in the context of HIS LIFE as a whole. No one has done what he has, you can't argue that, and no one has had THAT much media attention, to the degree he has, over a span of 40 years, included in those years were those where he was only young, and still developing in the world.

[Guest papacita]

I take UYI's side in this. There's all of this talk about Mike being a bad person or an unfit parent due to his sleeping with children and what not. Well if the children or the children's parents aren't (openly) objecting to it, then it should be a dead issue.

[Guest DrTom]

This apologist crap is really starting to make me ill.

 

I really hate how people leap to judge a person when they have no humanly idea of comprehending what their mental state is, or experienced what they have.

Gee, you’re not a Jackson apologist, are you? Someone’s “mental state” is hardly a matter for consideration in a legal proceeding. Giving people free passes because of their “mental state” is a double standard, and should be stopped because it’s unconstitutional. As for experience, you don’t need to go through what someone else did to discuss it meaningfully. I’ve never died, but I can discuss it with someone. Besides, being judgmental is a virtue.

 

Name me one person on the face of the planet that has under-gone what Michael Jackson has.

Meaningless; see above.

 

Take an extremely talented human being as a child, have his father beat the living crap out of him for simple reasons such as missing dance steps, then throw him into a MASSIVE media frenzy due to his talent allowing him to create the greatest musical achievement EVER accomplished and tell me just HOW that person wouldn't be a little different from the usual person today.

Again, meaningless, and now you’re getting pretty heavy-handed with the “Waaah! I had a bad childhood!” crap that gets so many people so much undeserved sympathy. I don’t know if Michael Jackson molested children or not. However, regardless whether or not he did, being abused by his father has nothing to do with it. He’s an adult, long removed from that living-in-the-past excuse. People are responsible for their actions; there’s no reason to believe that Jackson, while eccentric, is any different from anyone else with respect to personal responsibility.

 

I'm sure you all know the details of Jackson's terrible childhood, thus fueling his need to surround himself with kids to compensate for the childhood he never knew.

It’s getting a bit thick in here now. Come on, the man slept in the same bed with children! Whether he did anything he shouldn’t have or not, that’s a pretty damn weird habit for an adult to have. It’s one thing to be childlike and be “a kid at heart,” but to have children in your bed when you’re a grown adult is CREEPY, no matter how you slice it.

 

hen you have this FUCKING bullshit, obviously NOT written by a child that's 13 years old.

Of course it wasn’t. That’s because it’s a LEGAL DOCUMENT. Children tend not to write them very often. Depositions are cobbled together from questions and testimony and written by lawyers, not their thirteen year-old clients.

 

Think about it, Mr.Jackson doesn't have the mind of a 40 year old man, he has the mentality of a child.

Stop dragging up the same lame excuses. He’s a mentally competent adult with full faculties, and as such, is completely responsible for his actions. If he did something wrong, he’s as responsible for it as anyone else would be.

 

The fuckwits parents obviously SAW this and also caught eye of the oppurtunity to make some serious ca$h out of the situation.

Possibly. Maybe the kid lied to them about the whole thing, and this was the result, forcing him to keep lying. If that’s the case, they’re acting in the interests of their son, whom they’d certainly believe. It’s also possible that Jackson did what he was accused of doing. We’ll never really know, I’m sure.

 

What way did Michael have out against claims like this?

None. Allegations are as damning as actual crimes in some cases.

 

What allows me to sleep at night is what happend to the bastard child who made these hidious and false claims. The kid was stalked by numerous Jackson fans, rocks were thrown at his house, death threats made to his family, he was attacked and he and his cheap family had to end up switching countries.

And if he was telling the truth all along, you’re supporting the blatant and illegal persecution of a minor who happened to be the victim of a terrible crime. If he and his parents lied to bilk Jackson out of money, then I guess they’re getting something of their just desserts, but it’s rather pointless and spiteful to wish harm on them.

 

It's truly sad that a person perfectly innocent who is trying to make the world a better place is the person who cops the most bullshit from everyone.

No one is perfect, no one is innocent.

 

I can bet you that when Jackson dies, not only will i have a nervous breakdown, but the media will do some bullshit sympathy story outlinging how 'great' he was.

If you have a nervous breakdown, then I’m truly sorry you invested so much emotional energy in a celebrity. When Jackson dies, any stories talking about his greatness won’t be bullshit. The man is a legitimate musical genius, has recorded some of the best pop songs in history, and brings true artistry to his craft. He’s earned the accolades he’ll receive when the press eulogizes him.

 

Jackson has been a musical phenom since the age of 12 and his star only got brighter and brighter. No one else has had their entire life given to them THAT way.

What about Tiger Woods? He’s not in the music field, obviously, but he was certainly a prodigy, and has definitely achieved a great deal of success. While he might be a bit arrogant, he doesn’t seem the eccentric type to me.

 

The children who sleep in Michael's bed are there via permission of their PARENTS.

And you know this how? Every child Jackson has ever had in his bed was there with the permission of his parents in advance? I doubt that, but it is possible.

 

While I’m indifferent to Michael Jackson, I still can’t stand to see people bending over backwards to be apologists for someone. While you have an obvious bias toward Jackson, looking at the issue from a more neutral perspective might be better for you in the long run.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

UYI: Why did Jackson give that kid's family all that money if he wasn't guilty of molesting the kid? If he's innocent it would seem like he would wanna fight the allegations to clear is name. A payment leaves alot of people wondering if Jackson was guilty of the accusations brought against him.

[Guest Retro Rob]

Vern, you could look at it the other way too though. If Jackson really did molest the kid, then why didn't the family take him to court and prove it?

[Guest Paranoid]

I am sick and fucking tired of hearing about this freak! Every commercial, every news channel, every time I turn on the television he's there! Fuck him, if he has done something illegial then arrest him, if not shut the fuck up. I am sure I speak for more then just me when I say I am tired of hearing about this stupid shit!

 

Maybe someone will put a bullet it his head and end all our misery.

[Guest bob_barron]

Jackson claims he gave the kid the money just so he wouldn't have to go through what OJ went through.

 

I think if the kid was really molested then he would've gone to court

[Guest Retro Rob]

I am sick and fucking tired of hearing about this freak! Every commercial, every news channel, every time I turn on the television he's there! Fuck him, if he has done something illegial then arrest him, if not shut the fuck up. I am sure I speak for more then just me when I say I am tired of hearing about this stupid shit!

 

Maybe someone will put a bullet it his head and end all our misery.

I think he is entertaining to watch, in a gruesome car-wreck kind of way.

[Guest Sassquatch]

While I don't doubt Mike's a weirdo, I really don't think he had sex with these kids but it's just that he's so goddamned strange that its easy to believe he did.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

I don't want to believe that Michael Jackson molested anyone and I want to believe the best, but how dare he insult my intellignece with his lies? Who the fuck does he think is going to believe him when he says that he has never had plastic surgery? Who does he think is going to believe him when he says that he hasn't bleached his skin? If he lies about things that are so blatantly obvious, how can I believe that he is telling the truth when it's his word against someone else's?

[Guest papacita]

That's one thing that bugs me about all of this Michael Jackson coverage: Who really gives a damn whether or not he's had plastic surgery??? I mean...so he probably lied about his past surgeries. That's fine...there are a bunch of others who do the same. There is no way that in an age where terrorism and potential warfare are such newsworthy items that such an insignificant aspect of a person's life should be getting that much media coverage, no matter how big of a star Mike is. I mean, last week, one news show devoted a good 5 minutes to discussing Jackson's surgery alone, and really that shit is ridiculous. I can't speak for anybody else, but personally, whether he lied or not, I could give a shit what he does with his appearance.

[Guest Respect The 'Taker]

1.Gee, you’re not a Jackson apologist, are you?  Someone’s “mental state” is hardly a matter for consideration in a legal proceeding.  Giving people free passes because of their “mental state” is a double standard, and should be stopped because it’s unconstitutional.  As for experience, you don’t need to go through what someone else did to discuss it meaningfully.  I’ve never died, but I can discuss it with someone.  Besides, being judgmental is a virtue.

 

 

2.Meaningless; see above.

 

3.Again, meaningless, and now you’re getting pretty heavy-handed with the “Waaah!  I had a bad childhood!” crap that gets so many people so much undeserved sympathy.  I don’t know if Michael Jackson molested children or not.  However, regardless whether or not he did, being abused by his father has nothing to do with it.  He’s an adult, long removed from that living-in-the-past excuse.  People are responsible for their actions; there’s no reason to believe that Jackson, while eccentric, is any different from anyone else with respect to personal responsibility.

 

 

4.It’s getting a bit thick in here now.  Come on, the man slept in the same bed with children!  Whether he did anything he shouldn’t have or not, that’s a pretty damn weird habit for an adult to have.  It’s one thing to be childlike and be “a kid at heart,” but to have children in your bed when you’re a grown adult is CREEPY, no matter how you slice it.

 

5.Of course it wasn’t.  That’s because it’s a LEGAL DOCUMENT.  Children tend not to write them very often.  Depositions are cobbled together from questions and testimony and written by lawyers, not their thirteen year-old clients.

 

6.Stop dragging up the same lame excuses.  He’s a mentally competent adult with full faculties, and as such, is completely responsible for his actions.  If he did something wrong, he’s as responsible for it as anyone else would be.

 

 

7.None.  Allegations are as damning as actual crimes in some cases.

 

 

And if he was telling the truth all along, you’re supporting the blatant and illegal persecution of a minor who happened to be the victim of a terrible crime.  If he and his parents lied to bilk Jackson out of money, then I guess they’re getting something of their just desserts, but it’s rather pointless and spiteful to wish harm on them.

 

 

9.No one is perfect, no one is innocent.

 

10.If you have a nervous breakdown, then I’m truly sorry you invested so much emotional energy in a celebrity.  When Jackson dies, any stories talking about his greatness won’t be bullshit.  The man is a legitimate musical genius, has recorded some of the best pop songs in history, and brings true artistry to his craft.  He’s earned the accolades he’ll receive when the press eulogizes him.

 

11.What about Tiger Woods?  He’s not in the music field, obviously, but he was certainly a prodigy, and has definitely achieved a great deal of success.  While he might be a bit arrogant, he doesn’t seem the eccentric type to me.  

 

12. And you know this how?  Every child Jackson has ever had in his bed was there with the permission of his parents in advance?  I doubt that, but it is possible.

Ignorance seems to be a detriment of quite a few in here...

 

1. Judging from your logic here, your comfortable with condeming those who are mentally sick for performing serious crimes. First off, i never said Jackson was insane, i said he thought differently due to his upbringing, trust me, it happens to children who are beaten etc. while growing up. If a person is mentally sick, they should be shown the electric chair if the crime is serious enough, is that right? If you are serious about THOSE claims then i fear for the advancement of the human race, because neglecting someone because of an extreme disability is inhuman.

 

2. Bullshit it is meaningless, I'm sure if you had experienced half of what HE has over the last 40 years then you too, would be a very different person.

 

3. Your obviously rather ignorant to the affect bad childhoods have on people, and I'm guessing you've never experienced one either, which would explain your instant distaste to those who use that 'excuse'. Being an adult instantly means you can make logical, straight forward decisions that coincide with what society views as acceptable - this is the point im getting from you. If you knew anything on the subject at hand, you'd realise that what happens to you in your childhood stays with you FOREVER. Once again, i know this first hand, im not just ripping on the first person to speak out against Jackson, i happen to understand, if only in a minor way, some elements he experienced as a child.

 

4. Once again your ignorant to accept the possibility to someone being different to what you see as acceptable or not. I don't condone grown men sleeping with children they don't know. However, Jackson does know these children, meets with their families and recieves permission from them to stay at Never Land. Parents can choose wether or not their child stays with Jackson, can't they? Obviously if they viewed it as creepy, they wouldnt let their kids stay there. So all this is, is just your opinion clashing with others. They see it as ok, so do THEM a favor and just get over it.

 

5. You took what i wrote out of context. I was using that as an example to showcase the legal document as childish, poorly constructed and fake.

 

6. Your ignorance astounds me, honestly. I've already addressed this, but if your so closed minded that you wont accept the fact that child beating is NOT A FUCKING EXCUSE then your beyond help, and i dont want to talk to a person who thinks this, as they obviously have never experienced it themselves. Death and being beaten by your father are two TOTALLY different things, dont compare apples and oranges.

 

7. My point exactly.

 

8. Let's take a look at what actually happend. They raided Jacksons house, they interrogated close to EVERY child that ever stayed at the Never Land ranch, they questioned both Jackson and the 'victim' as well as the parents of numerous other kids. The ONLY party to say Jackson did anything wrong was the 'victim's' parents. Not ONE child came forward and said Jackson had EVER done anything wrong to them, they found NOTHING in his house and the parents of the children staying there spoke in volumes of Jackson's generousity and compassion. Yep, he's a monster alright, ain't he?

 

9. Go back and find where i said Jackson was perfect and I'll shut up.

 

10. I didnot mean that literally, obviously you've taken me too seriously. I surround myself with Jackson-orientated material on this board and was just poking fun at myself. Of course i wouldnt have a nervous breakdown, don't be ridiculous, however i'd be quite sad. I never said that stories hailing his accomplishments would be WRONG, i said they'd be hypocritical. The media has made a fuckload of cash off Michael Jackson's life and completly ripped his privacy into pieces with no regard for his feelings or those around him. Jackson wouldn't want their attention, im sure, he has commented many times about 'media lies' and 'tabloid burnings', so im sure he shares the same view as i do.

 

11. Different person, very different circumstances, next please..

 

12. All children involved with Jackson are there on their parents permission. You wouldnt let your kids stay somewhere without your permission would you? I'm sure that in the recent interview Jackson stated that children ASK HIM to sleep in his room, he then says that if it is okay with their parents, then he has no problem with it. Many children have slept in his room, so im guessing a load of parents don't seem to see tha harm in their child's happiness, taking into consideration these children are sick, some terminally ill, and Jackson is doing what he can to give them , for what little time they have left , some last few memories of fun and happiness. However, if you ask an ignorant individual like you, he's old therefore no problem he's encounterd in the past MATTERS and every child he invites into his house is there because they ran away from home and are about to become Jackson's sex toys.

 

Im surprised at half of what you said, because i always viewed you as a very open-minded individual who was willing to see things from multiple angles do to your diverse line of thought. However, i've been wrong once in the past before.

 

UYI

 

P.S Vern Gagne, justice doesn't always prevail.