The Smackdown show has royally pissed me off

[Guest Nater]

The greatest tragedy about this week's Smackdown?

 

Kanyon debuts, and gets absolutely destroyed by Undertaker.

 

Fucking typical.

I'm in total agreement there.

There is no point in jobbing out Kanyon to UT because if my memory serves correct, he did that gig already (along side DDP) and this re-intro has all its wind taken out of it in typical UT fashion.

 

Who really gives a shit if "Side-A" is getting the best of "Side-B" and YOU THINK that "Side-A" is going to keep that streak through the PPV. Heroic and twisted matches are the body and soul of a PPV and when somebody gets that upset or throws out the spectacular match, then BOTH sides get elevated.

 

If Flair can make somebody king for laying his back for 3 seconds, then I'm sure Eddie can too.

[Guest Just call me Dan]

Correct but the neverending "side A' and "side B" TV feuds represent build. A good match that carries emotion is a better match. That emotion is the product of good build where you don't know who's going to win, but you are just entirely focused on the match. Who cares in Brock destroys Team Angle for a month, loses on a fluke at the PPV by default and goes over at Mania. What kind of build is that? When you have Angle/Benoit being dead even all the time, the feud is awesome, hence its length.

[Guest Nater]

I was thinking more in lines of a shift of tides at the PPV, or a growth on one side. Fans love the big badass good guy to win a lot, thats what they love to see. You can define Brock as one of thos big badasses.

 

Did the crowd pop when brock layed into Angle? Yes. It's because he's been dodging Brock (seems to be a reoccuring theme with Brock) and when ever he does get to his current rival, the crowd loves it.

 

It's not stupid booking, its just not being booked they way you want it to be.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

I think the crowds have been more into and remembered more fondly the feuds with more emotional build ups and ones that were less one sided.

 

Sure they'll pop for him, but will the care once WM rolls around if Brock is still rolling over them?

[Guest MrRant]

Boo hoo... I thought the heels were supposed to be somewhat cowardly.

[Guest El Satanico]

The booking plan actually isn't that bad, it's just a matter of bad execution. The top heel dodging the top face is a type of feud that's been around forever. WWE just needs to make it clear that Angle is trying to dodge Brock as long as possible.

 

If they make it clear that Angle is trying to dodge Brock this angle would work better.

 

Brock destroying Angle's minions while Angle always manages to escape his clutches makes for a classic "badass face" feud. Also it would still build up emotion for the WM match. The whole "He has nowhere else to run" thing will get fans into it just as much as "fighting back against all odds".

 

Hell it's how Austin was often "booked".

[Guest RickyChosyu]

[[Team Angle are completely overrated as being these great mat workers when in fact they don't have the first clue as to actually make those holds matter or actually be interesting in a match. They really have no idea as to how to carry the action of a match beyond putting on a hold and keeping it on for a while before they go onto the next boring hold. Yet they get pushed to the tag belts for no real good reason anyway since they're just around to put Angle and Brock over. Which sadly seems to be the whole point of the entire roster anymore... except for the people that are putting over The Undertaker.]]

 

Is there anyone who really knows how to work the mat in the WWE? Eddy and Benoit could do something neat if they cared to, I bet. Otherwise, everyone does rest holds and that's about it for mat work.

 

Not to say your arguement isn't valid, just saying that Haas and Benjamin's cluelessness on the mat is no worse than Angle's.

 

[[EDDIE GUERRERO loses to SHELTON BENJAMIN who should be getting his ass kicked by Eddie. Benoit can dismantle Team Angle and defeat both members clean...]]

 

Come again? Benoit needed a suprise role-up to beat Haas, so "dismantling them" on his own seems a bit of an overstatement, to say the least.

 

[[...but Eddie, who is getting big time over as a face, gets his tag titles taken away from these two green rookies who have been on television for two months and all of the sudden can kill the legends. Then he gets pinned by Benjamin.]]

 

Eddy may be a legend in your eyes, but what has his status been to the WWE? He's a racial stereo-type, and he's been cemented as a mid-carder from the second he showed up in the company. Here's a guy who was having a mini-fued with Billy Kidman a month ago. He's no Big Name to WWE Creative, that's for sure.

 

[[Next you have the continuing burial of EDGE, as he loses to Charlie Hass, one of my least favorite guys on Smackdown. I'm sick of him with his horrible timing and shitty in ring antics (not to mention his ghey frosted hair).]]

 

Oh, great, role out the homophobic slur to really take your post up a notch. If you want anyone to listen to you, stay away from terms like that.

 

Haas' timing is "bad" compared to Edge's? I'm not fan of Haas' by any means, but bashing him for poor ring work while complaining about Edge having to job seems a bit silly to me.

 

[[but to top that off, Brock comes in at the end of the show and totally destroys both guys as if they were nothing, when they just beat Eddie Guerrero and Edge in singles matches. Can you push the guy any more? Jesus Christ!]]

 

Yeah, pretty familiar Heyman booking as someone already pointed out. If they really wanted to push Brock vs. Angle as "the greatest match in history" they would do something to establish parity between them as opposed to making Angle the Honky Tonk champion.

 

[[When you add in the fact that the 6 man match announced for NWO will have the main event guys of Wrestlemania, who have never met in the ring before, getting to lock-up and therefore killing some of the aura their match had, tonight's Smackdown has to be one fo the worst booked shows ever.]]

 

A tag setting can be a great place to set up a feud because it allows for the two big dogs to square off for the first time but in a more protected environment where the supporting members can help drive the story further. It forshadows the eventual singles match without giving away too much.

 

But if the entire storyline is "Brock finally cornering Kurt in the ring" then you're right, the aura is gone once they lock up.

 

[[i hope Heyman wasn't responsible fopr this load of bullshit.]]

 

Oh, Heyman would *never* book anything bad, regardless of how many re-cycled ECW angles were used.

[Guest JMA]

Boo hoo... I thought the heels were supposed to be somewhat cowardly.

Says who? The so-called "cowardly heel" is just one type.

[Guest Goodear]

From Ricky

 

Is there anyone who really knows how to work the mat in the WWE? Eddy and Benoit could do something neat if they cared to, I bet. Otherwise, everyone does rest holds and that's about it for mat work.

 

Not to say your arguement isn't valid, just saying that Haas and Benjamin's cluelessness on the mat is no worse than Angle's.

 

Unless you count guys that are stuck on Velocity... no... no one in WWE can work the mat. But no one tries to do it more than Haas and Benjamin with their boring take it to the mat style. At least Angle has some decent looking suplexes (they might not matter a lick as far as the story of his matches go but they're nice looking). Benjamin and Haas don't even have that and they are often a lot slower on the canvas than Angle is.

 

And I discovered what my problem with Charlie Haas is now after the Edge match (and no its not his hair)... its that he seems to be moving at 7/8 th speed all the time. He really ... really seems slow no matter what he is doing. Dude has no acceleration.

 

Yeah, pretty familiar Heyman booking as someone already pointed out. If they really wanted to push Brock vs. Angle as "the greatest match in history" they would do something to establish parity between them as opposed to making Angle the Honky Tonk champion.

 

Yes indeed. Which is odd since it seems like the majority of the upper midcard is playing the Brutus Beefcake to Brock's Warrior. Like Angle can beat everyone else clean as a whistle but has to run scared from Brock, which I kind of understandable... because I would run from Brock too (Rey Mysterio, not so much). Still I expect a little more even steven stuff from Angle and Brock heading into the Wrestlemania home stretch.

[Guest Brian]

Mysterio and Knoble can work the mat. Not in the WWE, but out on the indy scene.

[Guest Anglesault]

and when ever he does get to his current rival, the crowd loves it.

Shouldn't that be like the blow off? So it means more?

[Guest Goodear]

Mysterio can work the mat in the 'Let's kill some time before I start using the ranas' way. After years of watching him work, I have never seen Rey's mat work mean a thing in the context of a match. Tajiri is the same way to a lesser extent.

 

Jamie is better though... I forgot about him.

[Guest Brian]

This is an early tease though. If they play it right. Look how he could have goe after Angle again on the ramp but choose not to. That's a mistake for Lesnar.

[Guest Anglesault]

This is an early tease though

 

I thought that was the leg breaking massacre. If this massacre is the tease massacre, then what was the leg breaking massacre?

 

And why hasn't Angle done anything to Brock yet? THE QUESTIONS DAMNIT.

 

They HAD to make Angle look like an equal. They failed miserably.This feud is a disaster.

[Guest Brian]

I don't know why they did the leg breaking thing, unless it just to set up them actually pilmanizing him as revenge for that.

 

That was more of a setup for the feud though. They could have accomplished it better, but it was a set-up. This was more of a tease for next week. I hope that makes sense.

 

Because they've only gone a week into it. Angle has no physical advantage over Brock, so he has to find a way to get ahead of him using another method. Like I said, they're basically a week into the actual one upsmanship. This is the first week since the leg breaking where Angle got hurt by Brock.

[Guest Just call me Dan]

The BIG problem with the whole leg breaking thing is that Brock did his post F5 to Angle and Angle had to be on the shelf "as a result of that move"

 

Cena sold it well, but John will be wrestling fine next week and not selling the knee. When you do something amazing in a beatdown to set up an injury angle, doing it once again to someone else who won't sell it long term because they aren't in the feud anymore makes no sense.

[Guest Just call me Dan]

"Oh, great, role out the homophobic slur to really take your post up a notch. If you want anyone to listen to you, stay away from terms like that."

 

That was my way of saying I don't like his hair style and it really irks me. Personally, someone's look has big value in my eyes. Remember Tazz always giving Cole hell about his frosted hair? It's just a personal opinion of mine that he looks less like the bad ass technician associated with championships with that kind of hair. The term I used was just me talking about the issue lightly and not beingdead serious the entire time. My argument is serious, but I'm having a conversation. When I talk with people, I open up just a bit. You made a lot of sense in your post and I understand where you were coming from, but if you would have said that Edge's tights were"ghey" added to your statement about his matwork, that wouldn't invalidate your opinion. That's just small talk, nothing more. I'm not trying to take my post up a notch.