I truly hope chris jericho enjoyed his reign...

[Guest]

I've just read the whole of this post and it just makes me laugh.

 

Why?

 

Because some of you come up with all the conspiracy theories under the sun.

' Triple H this' and 'Triple H that'.

 

How the #### do you guys know what goes on backstage.

 

Unfortunatly Jericho's reign although rather lengthly in todays terms, was a bit of a diaster.

The reason being is that not enough emphasis was put upon the two SUPERSTARS. No, the emphasis was put upon a soap opera plot of a marriage being broken up.

 

With Steph wasting up to 20 minutes a show, showing us why she'll never win an oscar, it shows me that this is a 24-25 year old young woman,  has let here position in the company go to her head.

 

I can't be sure but I don't think Triple H has tried to sabbatage anyones carrer, it is just naive and crappy booking by those in charge.

 

Jericho as a heel champion didn't set the world alight. His heel pops were just there. Whereas Angles pops are huge. 'YOU SUCK'

 

It also hasn't helped that the NWO storyline sort of took priority over the WWF Title.

 

I am a strong believer that no storyline should be portrayed bigger than your World title but that's just me.

 

I can see a rematch between the two at Backlash.

Were Jericho goes from here I don't know.

A feud with Beniot.

A stable with Test, Storm and Christian.

I don't know, but I can't see Jericho with the title for the remainder of the year.

[Guest Loss4Words]

Look at it this way:

 

How do you explain that HHH never puts anyone over and he's screwing the head writer without any politics going on?

 

How do you explain that HHH is higher on the card than Steve Austin despite being about 50% as over without any politics going on?

 

How do you explain the WWF making Jericho the weakest champion in the entire history of pro wrestling only to declare him a failure unless the head writer (read: HHH's girlfriend) is being persuaded to book Jericho as a fluke champ?

 

How do you explain that HHH takes 8 months off and waltzes right back into a main event position despite never drawing against anyone except Steve Austin and the Rock if there are no politics going on?

 

How do you explain that after Jericho got massively over in the summer of 2000, his balls were figuratively cut off and he was shunted down the card if there are no politics going on?

 

How do you explain HHH never doing a single job for Steve Austin or Chris Jericho when both have needed victories if there are no politics going on?

 

How do you explain Steve Austin all of the sudden being shunned by Vince McMahon when he's his best worker and top draw if there are no politics going on?

 

That's all I have to say at the moment.

[Guest Flyboy]

Jericho DID NOT dominate the feud. HHH beat his ass every single week until the final week when Jericho was finally allowed to get some heat, accompanied by some massive "Jericho Sucks" chants mind you.

 

And how can anyone justify HHH pushing backstage for Jericho to be elevated but burying his main event worth on talk shows? If the WWF didn't have the confidence in Jericho to headline Mania, then why the #### didn't he drop the title before the event so they could focus his character more for a future run? I'll tell you why.

 

HHH wanted Jericho to fail on the grandest scale possible. If you don't get over as a midcarder, you have nowhere to go but up. If you fail as a main eventer, you have nowhere to go but down.

 

I will say I'm optimistic about next week's main event because either Jericho gets his belts back or Stephanie is off TV. I can't lose.

 

Anyway, HHH has been trying to sabotage Jericho for three years now and has successfully ruined him to a point where it'll take at least two years for him to rebuild his character after all the hard work he put into getting as over as anyone in the company from 1999-2001.

 

Jericho came in to the WWF with tons of fanfare while HHH was trying to get over. Jericho was massively over from the get-go. That's where the jealousy started. HHH finally got over as a heel when Jericho started to get bigger pops than the Rock as a face. That's when the problems escalated. Jericho maintained his heat when the bookers jobbed him out for a year and a half. That's when action had to be taken to make sure that little Canadian ball of charisma and workrate was crushed so he wouldn't steal HHH's thunder like he had been threatening to do for years prior.

 

If you can't see that, I'm not sure what to tell you because you're incredibly naive if you think the WWF has ever given Jericho a completely honest chance of making it big without alterior motives in his booking.

Loss2Words... two great posts.  I was the one telling my friends that Jericho would win the little tourny to become the champ.. that's what the WWF NEEDED.  Someone new--something fresh.  A heel Jericho done that.  I remember when he cut an AWESOME heel promo on the Smackdown when he didn't wrestle by the pool.  Brillant.  Now, HHH fucks it up.  Fuck you, Hunter--fuck you to ####.  (And to think I was a Hunter MARK at one point)

 

>_<

 

Two more things can come out the match: HHH keeps the titles (>_<) or Steph is your NEW Undisputed WWF Champion...

[Guest godthedog]

okay, here we go:

 

How do you explain that HHH never puts anyone over and he's screwing the head writer without any politics going on?

he's one of the top 4 ME guys in the wwf right now (along with austin, rock & undertaker).  vince doesn't like ANY of his top-tier guys to make anyone else look good at their expense.  the last time one of these guys jobbed without something weird or screwy about it was at wrestlemania 17, when trips lost to undertaker.

 

How do you explain that HHH is higher on the card than Steve Austin despite being about 50% as over without any politics going on?

austin is fighting the nWo, to make the nWo look like a legitimate threat (it's failing miserably, but that's the intent).  the wwf figures that the one who can work the best match with austin (and will least likely injure him) is hall.  hall isn't quite as over as the world title is; hence, trips is higher on the card.

 

How do you explain the WWF making Jericho the weakest champion in the entire history of pro wrestling only to declare him a failure unless the head writer (read: HHH's girlfriend) is being persuaded to book Jericho as a fluke champ?

jericho wasn't THAT weak.  he beat the rock & austin back-to-back, which no one has ever done; he didn't do it cleanly, but the fact that he even SURVIVED it makes him a stronger champion than, say, kurt angle as a face.  and i don't think the wwf saw jericho's run as a failure; many of the smarks saw it as a failure, & somehow the origin of this theory got pushed on to the front office.  he had a 3-month run with the title, which is not bad at all, especially for someone's first title run.  had the wwf thought he was a failure, they would've pulled the plug on him sooner & not had him beat the rock and austin again, respectively.

storyline logic dictated that stephanie be involved in the feud.  that she got WAY too involved in the feud is more a credit to stephanie's incompetent writing than trips' political power.

 

How do you explain that HHH takes 8 months off and waltzes right back into a main event position despite never drawing against anyone except Steve Austin and the Rock if there are no politics going on?

if i remember correctly, fully loaded 2000 (when trips faced jericho) did numbers as good if not better than the trips/rocky ppv's of 2000.

the injury angle makes a good wrestlemania dreams-come-true story: wrestler gets injured, comes back to win the rumble & later the title.  shawn michaels did it.  one can assume they're giving trips the ME status before his ring rust wears off in the hopes that it will wear off soon, because he's one of the top draws and had ****+ matches all over the place before the injury.  they did the same thing with austin in 2000: give him a main event status soon after the return, let him work out his kinks in the ring later.

 

How do you explain that after Jericho got massively over in the summer of 2000, his balls were figuratively cut off and he was shunted down the card if there are no politics going on?

i've said it before and i'll say it again: triple h has not buried jericho.  he's made him look like a million bucks on more than one occasion.  do you think someone like austin or the undertaker would give the rub to someone who wasn't even in the company for a year by letting the guy beat him for the title (even if it was taken right back)?  in the last man standing match, trips made jericho look like a main event player (you don't have to lose to somebody in order to make them look good).  triple h got injured wrestling a god #### ****3/4 match THAT MADE JERICHO LOOK GOOD.  you don't bust your ass to make somebody look good, only to use all your power to make that person look less legitimate.  it's self-defeating, it kills your own heat.  all the triple h conspiracists talk about how smart he is, how smart is he if he does this?

there may be some backstage reason for why jericho was fighting x-pac a few months after fighting trips.  i just don't think that reason WAS trips.

 

How do you explain HHH never doing a single job for Steve Austin or Chris Jericho when both have needed victories if there are no politics going on?

with austin: trips is the newer guy, he needs the victories to look like the next big thing.  austin has nothing to gain for his legacy if he beats trips, trips has everything to gain if he beats austin.

with jericho: i liken it to bret & austin in 97.  again, you don't have to let somebody beat you to make them look good.  the wwf wanted trips to work with jericho to see if he had potential as a top guy.  he did have the potential, & when the wwf ran out of stuff to do with the guys already in the world title picture, they brought in jericho.  i got a real sense of desperation before the king of the ring set-up in 2001, like they didn't know what to do with their title.  i got the same sense before the set-up to vengeance.

 

How do you explain Steve Austin all of the sudden being shunned by Vince McMahon when he's his best worker and top draw if there are no politics going on?

i'll agree that austin is the best worker in the fed right now, but the top draw since they signed hogan has been hogan/rock.  vince would be utterly retarded NOT to see that.  trips is in the title hunt, so he kind of HAS to be in the upper card, and i would argue that hogan/rock is even taking precedence over the title hunt.  i got the vibe on raw that triple h's storyline isn't being considered as all that important.  i mean, he JUST won the title & the only appearance he makes is an hour & a half into the show.

if you want to go into austin not being at the shows, i think that's a subject independent of trips.

[Guest goodhelmet]

"he's one of the top 4 ME guys in the wwf right now "

 

this was certainly before his accident as he has been overshadowed by a good halfdozen (Rock, Angle, Austin, Hogan, Taker to an extent, and Jericho)

 

"hall isn't quite as over as the world title is; hence, trips is higher on the card."

 

But Trips had no business being there as he cannot perform the way a World champion should. Why not have trips fight Hall?

 

"that she got WAY too involved in the feud is more a credit to stephanie's incompetent writing than trips' political power."

 

the two go hand in hand

 

"triple h has not buried jericho.  he's made him look like a million bucks on more than one occasion."

 

certainly not in the current feud

 

 

"i'll agree that austin is the best worker in the fed right now, but the top draw since they signed hogan has been hogan/rock. "

 

How do you figure? Prior to this week, the ratings have been dropping rapidly. They have stopped the bleeding temporarily but when the realization that Trips as a face sucks sh*t, fans will turn away once again.

[Guest humongous2002]

#### look at the big Triple HGH mark. Even though I became a fan of his in 2000 for his great wrestling skills , the new Triple HGH is not even a shadow of his 2000 self. Now his using his political power to be put as a main eventer. When Austin won the WWF title in 98 he was way over, when HBK won the titles in 96 he was over with the fans too, when Rock won the titles in 2000 he was over too but Triple HGH is not over at all and hopefully people that go to RAW or SMACKDOWN start bringing signs saying HHH F'N SUCKS!!!!!

He hasn't had a good match since he came back blaming it on ring rust, I bet you that when Benoit comes back he will run circles around HGH.

[Guest godthedog]

bah.  i'm not a big fan of replies to the replies of the replies, but here goes:

 

this was certainly before his accident as he has been overshadowed by a good halfdozen (Rock, Angle, Austin, Hogan, Taker to an extent, and Jericho)

jericho and angle aren't in the main event consistently enough to be considered real main event players.  i think our definitions are different.  trips can headline a ppv without having to fight steve austin, the rock or the undertaker.  jericho and angle (and possibly even hogan) cannot.

 

But Trips had no business being there as he cannot perform the way a World champion should. Why not have trips fight Hall?

they have to make the nWo a credible threat.  does the nWo look better if they bust up the knee of a guy who hasn't held the title in over a year and just came back from a torn quad, or the top man in the company?  trips would probably get sympathy heat, but his momentum would be ruined, especially just coming back from an injury.  it makes more sense to build him as the underdog for the title.

about his ring skills: again, they did the same thing with austin.  when austin came back in october, his ring skills didn't warrant him being anywhere near the main event; but since he's a big name, he headlined every #### ppv from survivor series to wrestlemania (where he actually started to hit his stride) and beyond.  vince doesn't think ring skills are imperative to being in the main event. he put undertaker in 2 of them last year.

 

the two go hand in hand

we'll have to agree to disagree here.  i just don't see how stephanie being on camera more is evidence of trips burying jericho.  if you're out to make yourself look good, wouldn't it make more sense to give jericho MORE time to make him look like more of a badass, so that when you beat him you just beat more of a badass?  do you think that trips wants a weak title reign?  would he weaken his own career just to spite jericho?

 

certainly not in the current feud

when in the wrestlemania match did trips make jericho look bad?  and when in his promos did he try to make jericho look bad?  if he was running all over jericho in the weeks before wrestlemania (like the rock and austin were doing) i could see your point, but it seems to me that trips did his best to make it look like jericho could beat him or end his career.

 

How do you figure? Prior to this week, the ratings have been dropping rapidly. They have stopped the bleeding temporarily but when the realization that Trips as a face sucks sh*t, fans will turn away once again.

bringing up the fact that trips sucks shit as a face doesn't back up the argument that rock/hogan isn't the top draw.

[Guest Maurizio C... Version 2]

guys, I've read any word of this topic. Wanna know my opinion? I look back at the ENTIRE HHH/Y2J saga as this:

 

A) HHH does a job for Jericho on Raw. Reverse the decision. Jericho is tronger as he's seen as the guy who beat HHH for the gold, anyway.

 

B) HHH vs Jericho at FL, Last man Standing Match. HHH win. The day after on Raw HHH cuts one of his *serious* promos about honor and compliments Jericho like an older father would with his son... of course, along with seriousness, HHH tells Jericho something on the lines of "you're good... but not THAT good". Jericho looks like a little child as a result while HHH looks like million bucks.

 

C) HHH vs Jericho at WM. I see this as HHH vs Steph with Jericho and Angle thrown in to amuse the smarks. Really guys, this feud was about anything BUT Jericho and the world title. It was about that fucking dog, about Steph being the Great Wide Open, about a ruined marriage and about 2 bitter honeymooners. Looking at the angle, did HHH really have something against Jericho? No, Jericho was just a pawn, you could have put Booker F'N T in his place and it wouldn't have mattered at all.

 

You know what's even more scary? The fact that in a few weeks HHH and Steph will reunite like nothing mattered.

 

Someone said Jericho was not ready to be a champ. Well, Jericho played the same character he played in his heel wcw stint. That of a pain in the ass, the perennial losing champ that never loses. The winning factor is that he was the bitchy guy who held a title and won with every possible trick. Come on guys, that's what made Honky Tonk Man's IC reign great!

 

I see Jericho wrestling the midcard, having an occasional  main event match on Raw and fading in the sunset, maybe going to japan.