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Guest DrTom
Have you ever left the country and seen how people in other countries live? I have been to Mexico, Canada and England ...

Bye again, Rob. Maybe you might want to visit those countries again with the added free time you're currently enjoying.

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Guest JMA
I KNEW it.

 

Do I get a gold star Dr. Tom?

Hey, I knew it was Rob too. I PMed Tom about it myself. So I ALSO want a gold star. :)

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Guest bob_barron

Rob claims it was his roomate who was using the name.

 

Whatever.

 

I was gonna pm a mod but I figured he would get founded out sooner rather then later

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I don't hate her for her views I hate her for her shitty work and her stint on snl

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Guest JMA
I don't hate her for her views I hate her for her shitty work and her stint on snl

Oh. That's perfectly fine.

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Guest kkktookmybabyaway

"I don't hate her for her views I hate her for her shitty work and her stint on snl"

 

YOU RIGHT-WING ARCH-CONSERVATIVE!...

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To get us back on topic-

 

Janaene Garfalo sucks

Back on topic.

 

No she doesn't. War sucks.

War kills people, sure. I don't want to come across as pro-war - but I do see it as something that is periodically necessary.

 

Without war, we would still be under British rule. Without war, the Confederacy would still be around. Without war, everyone in Europe would know German as a first language. Without war, communism - and all things aligned with communism like the death of thousands upon thousands under the rule of communist countries - would still be a powerful entity and threat.

 

In regard to war and America, the result of war has made our lives and our world a better place.

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I don't know about the Swiss. How tough could a country be, where their Army's standard knife contains a "spork"?

I know you're kidding but even Hitler didn't try to take out the Swiss. They're bad motherfuckers. You kind of have to be when you have no military allies.

 

I've been to Canada about 5 times (TO, Halifax, and Montreal) and the people that I interacted with were really no different than most of those you see here (some nice, some rude, some wierd, some normal, etc..). Halifax reminded me of Boston, albeit much smaller and with (seemingly) more homeless people per capita. Canada should be it's own country, if for no other reason than we have little use for them. They are their own people and have every right to make their own decissions.

 

Bob, using the War of 1812 as an example of Canadian military might is pretty weak. The French have been trying to hold onto to their past glory as well and neither country has done much successfully in war for about 150 years on their own.

 

TC, I understand your argument about you guys not needing a big military but having the largest in the world right below you ready to pounce on whomever may attack you is the largest reason. If Canada had our military then we would probably have your's. Same goes for Mexico. We will not allow a foriegn power to attack our neighbors and if they do we will destroy them. That's what we do. We help our allies in war and in times of trouble (Halifax gives Boston our big ass X-Mas tree every year because we sent up tons of help and money when they had big disaster [i can't remember what it was right now]), unlike the French and the Germans.

 

My bigest complaint about Canada is the French and the elitist attitude that your government portrays. An attitude that I didn't see too much of outside of Montreal in my trips to Canada. And I took a ton of "Isn't Canada our 52nd state?" type potshots.

 

Another thing, why is Candains flying and wearing their flag "patriotic" but when Americans do it it's "jingoistic" or "nationalistic"? Seems like a double standard.

 

Bob, the outward patriotism of our society depends on the tone set by the administration and current events. So when Reagan was Pres, we were proud and unashamed to be AMericans, because he was and led by example. Clinton didn't lead that way so we as a people didn't really act that way. That's not a cheap shot, just an observation. Now Bush is in and he is very much cut from the Reagan mold and leads in a similar way and we were attacked and most people can only show their support for our country and our troops by flying the flag or wearing a shirt.

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Guest bob_barron

I know my War of 1812 point kinda sucked but it was my way of saying: America tried once.

 

My bigest complaint about Canada is the French and the elitist attitude that your government portrays. An attitude that I didn't see too much of outside of Montreal in my trips to Canada. And I took a ton of "Isn't Canada our 52nd state?" type potshots.

 

I hate the French as well so you're not alone there. Isn't Canada the 51st state not the 52nd? :P

 

Another thing, why is Candains flying and wearing their flag "patriotic" but when Americans do it it's "jingoistic" or "nationalistic"? Seems like a double standard.

 

It is a double standard but the thing is- In America it seemed like after 9.11 you HAD to wave a flag around and be all patrotic- it was like you were being forced to show off the red white and blue while in Canada everyone does it naturally it seems.

 

I was 4 when Regan left the Presidency so I've really only experienced Clinton I guess which is why the lack of patriotism was noticeable to me.

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I know my War of 1812 point kinda sucked but it was my way of saying: America tried once.

200 years ago, I doubt they want a rematch. Neither do we or Canada would be our 51st state.

 

I hate the French as well so you're not alone there. Isn't Canada the 51st state not the 52nd?

 

Good, the French are evil. I thought I fixed that typo. I must haev deleted and re-typed "2". Whoops.

 

It is a double standard but the thing is- In America it seemed like after 9.11 you HAD to wave a flag around and be all patrotic- it was like you were being forced to show off the red white and blue while in Canada everyone does it naturally it seems.

 

I agree, but people during the Clinton years tended to look down upon a person wearing an American Flag shirt as a dumb hick or something. Did you noticve that patriotism in wrestiling stopped in the early 90s and didn't pick up again until post-9/11?

 

I was 4 when Regan left the Presidency so I've really only experienced Clinton I guess which is why the lack of patriotism was noticeable to me.

 

Your loss. I was born in 81, so the first 7 years of my life were under Reagan and the next four under his runing mate. I consider myself lucky to have been born and raised in that time by patriotic parents. I don't think I could live with myself if I was one of these sniveling "blame America first" clowns.

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I was born in 81, so the first 7 years of my life were under Reagan and the next four under his runing mate. I consider myself lucky to have been born and raised in that time by patriotic parents. I don't think I could live with myself if I was one of these sniveling "blame America first" clowns.

Right there with you on every point. My dad with with the Air Force for just about 20 years.

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Guest TheMikeSC
Sometimes, but for the most part they're correct.

How's that? Look who supports them: Rush Limbaugh

 

 

A conservative --- but one who makes his points with more intellectual vigor than the Hollywood left.

 

 

<<<Sean Hannity>>>

 

 

Ditto

 

 

<<Dr. Laura>>

 

 

Not my favorite --- but if people call her and ASK for her advice, what makes her giving it such an evil act?

 

 

<<<Michael Savage>>>

 

 

Don't know much of him.

 

 

<<<Ann Coulter>>>

 

 

Intelligent woman.

 

 

<<<Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Pat Buchanan, Bay Buchanan>>>

 

 

Definitely idiots. Every group has them.

 

 

 

<<<Bill O'Reilly>>>

 

 

Not my favorite, either --- but he has his beliefs and states them. I have no beef with him.

 

 

<<John Ashcroft, ect>>>

 

 

Still a better AG than Reno.

 

Sad, huh?

 

 

<<<. A pack of idiots, psychopaths, and media whores.>>>

 

 

As opposed to the Hollywood left?!?!?

 

Anybody can call conservatives "media whores" while defending CELEBRITIES?

 

Umm, okay.

 

 

<<<Personally, as an atheist, I think too many conservatives are Bible-thumpers. I'm not here to defend the Left's supporters, but I can say with certainty that the extreme Right is more insane than the extreme Left.>>>

 

 

But, of course, personal bias plays no role in that, huh?

 

 

<<<But anyways, people only like what celebs say when they agree with the celeb's viewpoints (I'm guilty of this as well). Some may deny it, but it IS true. That's all I have to say about this.>>>

 

 

I could care less what celebs think, to be honest.

-=Mike

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Guest JMA
<<<Ann Coulter>>>

 

 

Intelligent woman.

Ann Coulter!? The woman who wants to take over the Middle East and convery everyone to Christianity!? The woman who wishes Tim Mcvay would have bombed the DNC!? The woman who villainizes liberals to sell books!? The woman who used search engines to get info for her book!? The woman who said we should rape the Earth!? I'm sorry, Mike. But she is not intelligent. She's just a female Limbaugh. All she does is slander and generalize people to get noticed.

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Guest JMA
Rush Limbaugh

 

A conservative --- but one who makes his points with more intellectual vigor than the Hollywood left.

 

Sean Hannity

 

Ditto

How are Rush and Rush Jr. intelligent? Almost no one takes them seriously. All they do is slander people and push their policies. Rush is afraid to even debate anyone. I find anyone who excessivly blames liberals to be a nimrod. Let's be honest, the Right uses them as scapegoats. No doubt about it. Liberals have been insulted so much by various idiots that it's no wonder they have become so vicious in recent years. Rush and Rush Jr. just seem like the modern day equivalent of Joe McCarthy--one of history's greatest villains.

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Guest TheMikeSC
<<<Ann Coulter>>>

 

 

Intelligent woman.

Ann Coulter!? The woman who wants to take over the Middle East and convery everyone to Christianity!? The woman who wishes Tim Mcvay would have bombed the DNC!? The woman who villainizes liberals to sell books!? The woman who used search engines to get info for her book!? The woman who said we should rape the Earth!? I'm sorry, Mike. But she is not intelligent. She's just a female Limbaugh. All she does is slander and generalize people to get noticed.

I've never heard her say that she wants to convert the Middle East to Christianity --- but we'd be WELL advised to deal, directly, with Islamic extremism in the region. Because you disagree with her views doesn't make her unintelligent. I loathe Al Franken's writing --- it doesn't make him an unintellgent person.

-=Mike

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Guest TheMikeSC

<<<How are Rush and Rush Jr. intelligent? Almost no one takes them seriously. All they do is slander people and push their policies.>>>

 

 

Honestly, I've never heard a single true conservative called anything but unintelligent and a joke by the left.

 

Rush and Hannity are both bright guys. Quite intelligent. Certainly more intelligent than the likes of King or Donahue.

 

 

<<<Rush is afraid to even debate anyone.>>>

 

 

I hear that a lot --- but people seem to discount every single left-wing caller he gets on his show.

 

 

<<<I find anyone who excessivly blames liberals to be a nimrod.>>>

 

 

He simply argues that modern liberalism has not worked.

 

 

<<<Let's be honest, the Right uses them as scapegoats.>>

 

 

The Left has no room to gripe about being used as scapegoats. Until the Right says that they want to poison water, starve kids, and lynch blacks for simply disagreeing with certain policies -- they have NO room to complain about much of anything.

 

 

 

<<<No doubt about it. Liberals have been insulted so much by various idiots that it's no wonder they have become so vicious in recent years.>>>

 

 

Again, you act as if the Right has just been given a free ride.

 

 

<<Rush and Rush Jr. just seem like the modern day equivalent of Joe McCarthy--one of history's greatest villains. >>>

 

 

Except, well, that they aren't.

-=Mike

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Guest kkktookmybabyaway

"Almost no one takes them seriously."

 

20+ million listeners do a week.

 

"I've never heard her say that she wants to convert the Middle East to Christianity"

 

I report, you decide...

 

The column: http://www.townhall.com/columnists/anncoul...c20010914.shtml

 

Barbara Olson kept her cool. In the hysteria and terror of hijackers herding passengers to the rear of the plane, she retrieved her cell phone and called her husband, Ted, the solicitor general of the United States. She informed him that he had better call the FBI -- the plane had been hijacked. According to reports, Barbara was still on the phone with Ted when her plane plunged in a fiery explosion directly into the Pentagon.

 

Barbara risked having her neck slit to warn the country of a terrorist attack. She was a patriot to the very end.

 

This is not to engage in the media's typical hallucinatory overstatement about anyone who is the victim of a horrible tragedy. The furtive cell phone call was an act of incredible daring and panache. If it were not, we'd be hearing reports of a hundred more cell phone calls. (Even people who swear to hate cell phones carry them for commercial air travel.)

 

The last time I saw Barbara in person was about three weeks ago. She generously praised one of my recent columns and told me I had really found my niche. Ted, she said, had taken to reading my columns aloud to her over breakfast.

 

I mention that to say three things about Barbara. First, she was really nice. A lot of people on TV seem nice, but aren't. (And some who don't seem nice, are.) But Barbara was always her charming, graceful, ebullient self. "Nice" is an amazingly rare quality among writers. In the opinion business, bitter, jealous hatred is the norm. Barbara had reason to be secure.

 

Second, it was actually easy to imagine Ted reading political columns aloud to Barbara at the breakfast table. Theirs was a relationship that could only be cheaply imitated by Bill and Hillary -- the latter being a subject of Barbara's appropriately biting best seller, "Hell to Pay."

 

Hillary claimed preposterously in the Talk magazine interview that she discussed policy with Bill while cutting his grapefruit in the morning. Ted and Barbara really did talk politics -- and really did have breakfast together.

 

It's "Ted and Barbara" just like it's Fred and Ginger, and George and Gracie. They were so perfect together, so obvious, that their friends were as happy they were on their wedding day. This is more than the death of a great person and patriotic American. It's a human amputation.

 

Third, since Barbara's compliment, I've been writing my columns for Ted and Barbara. I'm always writing to someone in my head. Now I don't know who to write to. Ted and Barbara were a good muse.

 

Apart from hearing that this beautiful light has been extinguished from the world, only one other news flash broke beyond the numbingly omnipresent horror of the entire day. That evening, CNN reported that bombs were dropping in Afghanistan -- and then updated the report to say they weren't our bombs.

 

They should have been ours. I want them to be ours.

 

This is no time to be precious about locating the exact individuals directly involved in this particular terrorist attack. Those responsible include anyone anywhere in the world who smiled in response to the annihilation of patriots like Barbara Olson.

 

We don't need long investigations of the forensic evidence to determine with scientific accuracy the person or persons who ordered this specific attack. We don't need an "international coalition." We don't need a study on "terrorism." We certainly didn't need a congressional resolution condemning the attack this week.

 

The nation has been invaded by a fanatical, murderous cult. And we welcome them. We are so good and so pure we would never engage in discriminatory racial or "religious" profiling.

 

People who want our country destroyed live here, work for our airlines, and are submitted to the exact same airport shakedown as a lumberman from Idaho. This would be like having the Wehrmacht immigrate to America and work for our airlines during World War II. Except the Wehrmacht was not so bloodthirsty.

 

"All of our lives" don't need to change, as they keep prattling on TV. Every single time there is a terrorist attack -- or a plane crashes because of pilot error -- Americans allow their rights to be contracted for no purpose whatsoever.

 

The airport kabuki theater of magnetometers, asinine questions about whether passengers "packed their own bags," and the hostile, lumpen mesomorphs ripping open our luggage somehow allowed over a dozen armed hijackers to board four American planes almost simultaneously on Bloody Tuesday. (Did those fabulous security procedures stop a single hijacker anyplace in America that day?)

 

Airports scrupulously apply the same laughably ineffective airport harassment to Suzy Chapstick as to Muslim hijackers. It is preposterous to assume every passenger is a potential crazed homicidal maniac. We know who the homicidal maniacs are. They are the ones cheering and dancing right now.

 

We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war.

 

The fallout:

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?p...1&notFound=true

 

Even by her usual incendiary standards, Ann Coulter's response to the terrorist attacks was something of a jaw-dropper.

 

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity," the conservative commentator declared in her column on National Review Online.

 

Those words created an uproar at the Web site, which refused to run a follow-up piece in which Coulter singled out what she called "swarthy males." She promptly began bad-mouthing National Review, which responded by axing her as a contributing editor.

 

"If National Review has no spine, they are not my allies," Coulter said yesterday. "I really don't need friends like that. Every once in awhile they'll throw one of their people to the wolves to get good press in left-wing publications."

 

Asked for comment, National Review Online Editor Jonah Goldberg said: "We didn't feel we wanted to be associated with the comments expressed in those two columns. We got a lot of complaints from sponsors and a lot of complaints from readers left, right and center. We've decided for editorial reasons we think are sound that we're no longer going to run Ann Coulter's syndicated column."

 

Coulter's column, distributed by Universal Press Syndicate, is carried by several Web sites and 50 newspapers, including the Washington Times (which did not run the columns on terrorism). A Universal spokeswoman said the Denham Springs News in Louisiana has also canceled the column. But National Review provided the most prominent perch.

 

A former Justice Department attorney and Senate aide, Coulter is the latest opinion-monger to come under fire over the attacks on New York and Washington. She grouped herself with the Rev. Jerry Falwell (who apologized for blaming the attacks on gays, abortionists and civil libertarians) and "Politically Incorrect" host Bill Maher (who apologized for calling U.S. troops "cowards" for bombing from afar).

 

"People are hysterical about speech right now," Coulter says. "Everyone's comments are being taken out of context and wildly misinterpreted."

 

On Maher's ABC show, Coulter accused National Review of having "censored" her by refusing to run the follow-up column. She said yesterday that National Review Editor Rich Lowry and his deputies "are just girly-boys."

 

Lowry was traveling, but Goldberg said: "For Ann to go around screaming censorship is absurd. It's called editorial judgment, and there's a world of difference. . . . She's a lawyer. She should know better."

 

Coulter, who also writes for Human Events, has taken her lumps. New York Times columnist Frank Rich said she was fueling "hysteria on the right." Boston Globe columnist Alex Beam called her a "right-wing telebimbo." Cleveland Plain Dealer columnist Tom Brazaitis accused her of "bloodthirsty rhetoric."

 

With her trademark short skirts and long blond mane, Coulter became a cable television fixture during the Monica Lewinsky saga, denouncing Bill Clinton at every turn and producing a book called "High Crimes and Misdemeanors." She called Clinton "crazy" and "like a serial killer" -- and kept getting invited back by "Rivera Live," "Larry King Live" and "Hannity & Colmes."

 

Coulter says her line about "convert them to Christianity" has been misconstrued and was aimed at those celebrating the attacks. "I wasn't talking about Muslims generally," she says. "I was talking about the crazed homicidal maniacs dancing in the streets." Much of the criticism, says Coulter, comes from "anti-Christian bigots who will jump on you for any mention of Christianity."

 

In the follow-up column, Coulter suggested ways to beef up security: "We should require passports to fly domestically. Passports can be forged, but they can also be checked with the home country in case of any suspicious-looking swarthy males."

 

Coulter brushed off National Review's decision, saying the Web site paid only $5 a month for her column. Goldberg scoffed at that figure, saying "our records tell a very different story."

 

In any event, Coulter doesn't believe the controversy is hurting her. "Frankly, I'm getting a lot of great publicity," she says.

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"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war." - Ann Coulter

 

"When contemplating college liberals, you really regret once again that John Walker is not getting the death penalty. We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors." - Ann Coulter

 

"There are no good Democrats." - Ann Coulter

 

"I take the biblical idea. God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God says, "Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It's yours." - Ann Coulter

 

"Cheney is my ideal man. Because he's solid. He's funny. He's very handsome. He was a football player. People don't think about him as the glamour type because he's a serious person, he wears glasses, he's lost his hair. But he's a very handsome man. And you cannot imagine him losing his temper, which I find extremely sexy. Men who get upset and lose their tempers and claim to be sensitive males: talk about girly boys. No, there's a reason hurricanes are named after women and homosexual men, it's one of our little methods of social control. We're supposed to fly off the handle." - Ann Coulter

 

"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building." - Ann Coulter

 

"It's always so comforting when Muslims cite the precise verse from the Quran that tells them killing is wrong. Don't all empathetic human beings understand that instinctively? What if they lost their Quran that day and couldn't remember?" - Ann Coulter

 

Intelligent, huh? No. I think not. She's a very disturbed human being. Hopefully, someday, we can live in a world without Ann Coulter.

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"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war." - Ann Coulter

 

"When contemplating college liberals, you really regret once again that John Walker is not getting the death penalty. We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors." - Ann Coulter

 

"There are no good Democrats." - Ann Coulter

 

"I take the biblical idea. God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God says, "Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It's yours." - Ann Coulter

 

"Cheney is my ideal man. Because he's solid. He's funny. He's very handsome. He was a football player. People don't think about him as the glamour type because he's a serious person, he wears glasses, he's lost his hair. But he's a very handsome man. And you cannot imagine him losing his temper, which I find extremely sexy. Men who get upset and lose their tempers and claim to be sensitive males: talk about girly boys. No, there's a reason hurricanes are named after women and homosexual men, it's one of our little methods of social control. We're supposed to fly off the handle." - Ann Coulter

 

"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building." - Ann Coulter

 

"It's always so comforting when Muslims cite the precise verse from the Quran that tells them killing is wrong. Don't all empathetic human beings understand that instinctively? What if they lost their Quran that day and couldn't remember?" - Ann Coulter

Wow...

 

Not sure where those quotes came from but most are pretty funny (in a "I know I'm not supposed to laugh at that but it's just too offensive not to" kinda way).

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Guest JMA
Wow...

 

Not sure where those quotes came from but most are pretty funny (in a "I know I'm not supposed to laugh at that but it's just too offensive not to" kinda way).

I know what you mean. Sometimes I find myself laughing at her as well. Check out my thread entitled "Ann Coulter, Evil or just stupid?".

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Guest TheMikeSC
Wow...

 

Not sure where those quotes came from but most are pretty funny (in a "I know I'm not supposed to laugh at that but it's just too offensive not to" kinda way).

I know what you mean. Sometimes I find myself laughing at her as well. Check out my thread entitled "Ann Coulter, Evil or just stupid?".

Okay, my opinion of her went from intelligent to bright, but borderline psychotic.

-=Mike --- who thinks National Review is a actually a rather respectable conservative publication and if they won't publish you, you must be WAY out there

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"Barbara Olson kept her cool. In the hysteria and terror of hijackers herding passengers to the rear of the plane, she retrieved her cell phone and called her husband, Ted, the solicitor general of the United States. She informed him that he had better call the FBI -- the plane had been hijacked. According to reports, Barbara was still on the phone with Ted when her plane plunged in a fiery explosion directly into the Pentagon.

 

Barbara risked having her neck slit to warn the country of a terrorist attack. She was a patriot to the very end. "

 

I do not agree with this assesment at all. Many of the passengers, if I recall, made phone calls on their cells. Yet, by reading this, one would assume that Olson was the only one who did anything about the whole tragic incident. I get the feeling that Coulter is trying to really make this woman out to be this "great conservative martyr". She wasn't or never will be, she will be an unfortunate victim, and I will leave it at that.

 

I think that Coulter lives in her own little world. Just by reading what she has written, it's easy to tell that she isn't playing with a full deck. She is one conservative that I really can't stand. I really didn't like the comment about Tim Mcviegh and how he should have bombed the New York Times building. That to me is offensive. Hey I might not like a certain political group. but I would never even have my "only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building." What she wrote was in poor taste and is one of the many reasons I consider her a right-wing nut.

 

And a good welcome back for the Mike SC. This palce will never be the same.

 

And FYI, Ted Olson was a member of my Fraternity. way before my time of course.

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I think part of it was Olson was her friend so of course she's going to get a glowing mini-obit.

 

Personally, I do laugh at some of the things she says, but overall I don't take her too seriously. Some of the time when she comes on TV I change the channel...

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Guest Vern Gagne

She didn't just diss Jonah Goldberg. He's my favorite columnist.

 

Did anyone see Anne Coulter on Bill Maher's new HBO show.

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I do not agree with this assesment at all. Many of the passengers, if I recall, made phone calls on their cells. Yet, by reading this, one would assume that Olson was the only one who did anything about the whole tragic incident. I get the feeling that Coulter is trying to really make this woman out to be this "great conservative martyr". She wasn't or never will be, she will be an unfortunate victim, and I will leave it at that.

The story there was that Barbara Olson locked herself in the bathroom and barricaded the door to make that call. I don't know of any other calls that came off of the plane that hit the Pentagon.

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