Brock defeats all of Team Angle

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Brock Lesnar d. Charlie Hass via F5

 

Brock Lesnar d. Shelton Benjamin via Angle Slam

 

Brock Lesnar d. Kurt Angle via DQ

 

 

I know I should hate this.

 

I know I should by bitching about building strong heels.

 

I know I should be saying that this is no way to build to No Way Out. (Unless TA is winning at NWO)

 

 

I know all of this.

 

But I love it. Brock has a Hogan-esque quality about him, that is to say that even when he isn't lighting the world on fire as far as workrrate goes, the crowd will still follow him to the ends of the Earth. He has made a deep connection with the fans. Brock Lesnar is the next Bob Backlund or Bret Hart. he is the "Ace" in a down period and he is making the most of it. I almost wish for the end of the BE because I'd love to see the WWE become The Brock Show. He makes me love even the dumbest booking descisions. And I can't wait till he fucking tears my second favorite wrestler (Angle) apart at WrestleMania.

[Guest CheesalaIsGood]

All I know is Anglesault is going to shit a Buick after this one. But it's all good with me. The 6 Man tag should be the bombdiggity.

 

 

 

Cheesala

[Guest tpww7]

The Shelton part was ok, but Charlie Haas was completely squashed by Brock.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Watch the use of the smilies there Cheesla.......we have bad memories of smiley using posters.

[FigureFourTapes 0]

You guys are kidding right? Brock is getting this push and making Angle (the best wrestler in the US today) look weak. This is horrible booking and I want to know who thinks this shit is good? Besides you two.

 

Brock

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

He shouldn't be angry.

 

The fans STILL hate Kurt Angle.

 

The fans STILL want to see him fuck up and Lesnar get his hands on him.

 

Team Angle STILL has all the gold.

 

 

What's the problem? they teased Angle/Lesnar; that's it.

[Guest Brian]

Best wrestler in the US?

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

The fans always hate Angle, but that doesn't mean they care about the match when most of them already have written Angle off as "good as dead"

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

You guys are kidding right? Brock is getting this push and making Angle (the best wrestler in the US today) look weak. This is horrible booking and I want to know who thinks this shit is good? Besides you two.

 

Brock

Even if you think the push is flawed, you cannot deny the connection Brock has made with the fans. it's almost the opposite of what Kurt did when he got the god push. By NWO he got the fans SO angry that they would never accept him as a good guy. he made a connection with them that would never be broken. Brock is now their champion, their Superman. The y will cheer this motherfucker to the ends of the Earth.

 

You know it, and I know it.

[Guest Angle-plex]

Man, tonight was the first time I watched Smackdown in 4 months, and Brock does look like he can kick Angle's ass. He absolutely destroyed the top 3 workers (cause they have the belts) on Smackdown in like 10 minutes.

[FigureFourTapes 0]

Maybe Kurt isn't the best in the US, I took that a little far. But he is the best in the WWE, in my opinon. Kurt is the ultimate heel, and in my opinon heels should be made to look stronger than the face, and then at the big event the face overscomes the odds to win it. Of course, my love for Kurt may blind me here.

 

 

But I will agree with you there, there is a new peoples champion.

[NYU 0]

I disagree. Brock doesn't exactly light the world on fire with his interviews or charisma, plus his wrestling skills are just.....eh, satisfactory. I'm sure there were people that said Rock could never get booed - Wrong ! I'm sure people said Stone Cold would never get booed - Wrong ! I'm also sure there were some that thought Hogan would never get booed - Wrong again ! Brock is not bigger than these 3, and the day he gives an F5 to someone like Hogan, Edge, or Rey Misterio, he's gonna get booed pretty loudly. I firmly believe that he's getting this support only BECAUSE of this push. If you disagree, look at that reaction Batista's getting on Raw. They're the same wrestler, only with different-colored hair, but one has been pushed to the moon while one has not. This is the reason for the difference in support.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Maybe Kurt isn't the best in the US, I took that a little far. But he is the best in the WWE, in my opinon. Kurt is the ultimate heel, and in my opinon heels should be made to look stronger than the face, and then at the big event the face overscomes the odds to win it. Of course, my love for Kurt may blind me here.

 

 

But I will agree with you there, there is a new peoples champion.

This post is why Figure 4 is so much more fun to talk to then certain *ahem* other posters here. He may not like the God-push, but he has the decency to admit it's got Brock more over than Jesus.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Whatever. This feud has no emotion or back and forth, or anything. The fans cheer Brock, but they were doing that before this feud started.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I disagree. Brock doesn't exactly light the world on fire with his interviews or charisma, plus his wrestling skills are just.....eh, satisfactory. I'm sure there were people that said Rock could never get booed - Wrong ! I'm sure people said Stone Cold would never get booed - Wrong ! I'm also sure there were some that thought Hogan would never get booed - Wrong again ! Brock is not bigger than these 3, and the day he gives an F5 to someone like Hogan, Edge, or Rey Misterio, he's gonna get booed pretty loudly. I firmly believe that he's getting this support only BECAUSE of this push. If you disagree, look at that reaction Batista's getting on Raw. They're the same wrestler, only with different-colored hair, but one has been pushed to the moon while one has not. This is the reason for the difference in support.

Austin: Despite kicking over old ladies got pops everytime he came out.

 

Rock: Had to "sell-out" the business to get a 50% heel reaction

 

Hogan: Had to wish death on every WCW fan and wrestler to get a midcard heel reaction.

 

 

 

Brock has IN-RING charisma. the kind that allows you to connect with the fans and tell a story to them, and the fans respond. he also does a great "serious" interview (See: face-to-face with the Undertaker) which everyone says Benoit does so well. (And he does.)

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

I disagree. Brock doesn't exactly light the world on fire with his interviews or charisma, plus his wrestling skills are just.....eh, satisfactory. I'm sure there were people that said Rock could never get booed - Wrong ! I'm sure people said Stone Cold would never get booed - Wrong ! I'm also sure there were some that thought Hogan would never get booed - Wrong again ! Brock is not bigger than these 3, and the day he gives an F5 to someone like Hogan, Edge, or Rey Misterio, he's gonna get booed pretty loudly. I firmly believe that he's getting this support only BECAUSE of this push. If you disagree, look at that reaction Batista's getting on Raw. They're the same wrestler, only with different-colored hair, but one has been pushed to the moon while one has not. This is the reason for the difference in support.

Austin: Despite kicking over old ladies got pops everytime he came out.

 

Rock: Had to "sell-out" the business to get a 50% heel reaction

 

Hogan: Had to wish death on every WCW fan and wrestler to get a midcard heel reaction.

 

 

 

Brock has IN-RING charisma. the kind that allows you to connect with the fans and tell a story to them, and the fans respond. he also does a great "serious" interview (See: face-to-face with the Undertaker) which everyone says Benoit does so well. (And he does.)

The fans cheer Brock cause they want to see him get the best of Heyman who they hate.

 

His promos have never been good in my eyes even his ones with Taker. He just doesn't sound genuine when he says it.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

The fans cheered Brock because he was dominant, and because he did something no other wrestler did: He went out and KICKED ASS. Wasn't bogged down by political bullshit, he was pushed, and he made the most of it.

 

 

To say his face heat from heyman is ludicrous.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

The fans cheered Brock because he was dominant, and because he did something no other wrestler did: He went out and KICKED ASS. Wasn't bogged down by political bullshit, he was pushed, and he made the most of it.

 

 

To say his face heat from heyman is ludicrous.

How is it ludicrous? Brock was being pushed before when he first started and didn't get real heat till he went up against Rock.......who the fans were sick of.

 

Then his heat died down a little till he was screwed by Heyman.......who the fans hate.

 

He's still going against Heyman now.

[NYU 0]

I disagree. Brock doesn't exactly light the world on fire with his interviews or charisma, plus his wrestling skills are just.....eh, satisfactory. I'm sure there were people that said Rock could never get booed - Wrong ! I'm sure people said Stone Cold would never get booed - Wrong ! I'm also sure there were some that thought Hogan would never get booed - Wrong again ! Brock is not bigger than these 3, and the day he gives an F5 to someone like Hogan, Edge, or Rey Misterio, he's gonna get booed pretty loudly. I firmly believe that he's getting this support only BECAUSE of this push. If you disagree, look at that reaction Batista's getting on Raw. They're the same wrestler, only with different-colored hair, but one has been pushed to the moon while one has not. This is the reason for the difference in support.

Austin: Despite kicking over old ladies got pops everytime he came out.

 

Rock: Had to "sell-out" the business to get a 50% heel reaction

 

Hogan: Had to wish death on every WCW fan and wrestler to get a midcard heel reaction.

 

 

 

Brock has IN-RING charisma. the kind that allows you to connect with the fans and tell a story to them, and the fans respond. he also does a great "serious" interview (See: face-to-face with the Undertaker) which everyone says Benoit does so well. (And he does.)

In the Austin/Alliance days, at the peak of the Austin/Angle feud, Austin was HATED ! If it wasn't for "What ?!", he would have gotten more boos during his interviews, but during the matches, the fans wanted him to get the shit pounded out of him.

 

Rock: Rock was getting booed pretty heavily at Summerslam and Raw X, before this heel push was started

 

Hogan: I disagree. From what I remember, once he told the fans to "Stick it", he was instantly hated from that point on. Plus, around WrestleMania IX, Hogan was receiving a fair share of boos although he was a face.

 

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Brock has In-Ring Charisma ? Come on, that's stretching it a little. Any guy can grunt and do shoulderblocks. The fans cheer it because Brock has been made to look so strong. You put him out there with Shelton Benjamin as the Wrecking Crew in their debuts, and Brock would be basically nothing today. Anybody could have gotten as over as Brock in this role of "I beat everybody, nobody beats me, watch this rookie win the title"

 

And that interview about Taker ? Ugh, awful. And that interview about Rumble ? Even worse. I think he forgot what number he was up to when he was counting the goals he accomplished. It was easily noticeable that the crowd reaction was piped in a lot.

 

There's no denying Brock is over. But, besides Hogan, Brock HAS been pushed to the top face spot. And there's no chance he's the new People's Choice. One F5 to Hogan or Edge, and Brock will get booed out of the building. The fan's support, I believe, doesn't go past the face/heel line. Once Brock does a heelish antic, I think the fans will turn on him.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

What I'm saying is Brock is over because he's being put in all the right angles against all the right people. People with great heat....Rock, Heyman, Angle.

[Guest caboose]

AngleSault hasn't posted yet? I think he may have finally exploded...

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Anglesault already read the spoilers. He might have just avoided the show all together.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I disagree. Brock doesn't exactly light the world on fire with his interviews or charisma, plus his wrestling skills are just.....eh, satisfactory. I'm sure there were people that said Rock could never get booed - Wrong ! I'm sure people said Stone Cold would never get booed - Wrong ! I'm also sure there were some that thought Hogan would never get booed - Wrong again ! Brock is not bigger than these 3, and the day he gives an F5 to someone like Hogan, Edge, or Rey Misterio, he's gonna get booed pretty loudly. I firmly believe that he's getting this support only BECAUSE of this push. If you disagree, look at that reaction Batista's getting on Raw. They're the same wrestler, only with different-colored hair, but one has been pushed to the moon while one has not. This is the reason for the difference in support.

Austin: Despite kicking over old ladies got pops everytime he came out.

 

Rock: Had to "sell-out" the business to get a 50% heel reaction

 

Hogan: Had to wish death on every WCW fan and wrestler to get a midcard heel reaction.

 

 

 

Brock has IN-RING charisma. the kind that allows you to connect with the fans and tell a story to them, and the fans respond. he also does a great "serious" interview (See: face-to-face with the Undertaker) which everyone says Benoit does so well. (And he does.)

In the Austin/Alliance days, at the peak of the Austin/Angle feud, Austin was HATED ! If it wasn't for "What ?!", he would have gotten more boos during his interviews, but during the matches, the fans wanted him to get the shit pounded out of him.

 

Rock: Rock was getting booed pretty heavily at Summerslam and Raw X, before this heel push was started

 

Hogan: I disagree. From what I remember, once he told the fans to "Stick it", he was instantly hated from that point on. Plus, around WrestleMania IX, Hogan was receiving a fair share of boos although he was a face.

 

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Brock has In-Ring Charisma ? Come on, that's stretching it a little. Any guy can grunt and do shoulderblocks. The fans cheer it because Brock has been made to look so strong. You put him out there with Shelton Benjamin as the Wrecking Crew in their debuts, and Brock would be basically nothing today. Anybody could have gotten as over as Brock in this role of "I beat everybody, nobody beats me, watch this rookie win the title"

 

And that interview about Taker ? Ugh, awful. And that interview about Rumble ? Even worse. I think he forgot what number he was up to when he was counting the goals he accomplished. It was easily noticeable that the crowd reaction was piped in a lot.

 

There's no denying Brock is over. But, besides Hogan, Brock HAS been pushed to the top face spot. And there's no chance he's the new People's Choice. One F5 to Hogan or Edge, and Brock will get booed out of the building. The fan's support, I believe, doesn't go past the face/heel line. Once Brock does a heelish antic, I think the fans will turn on him.

Don't give me that bullshit. Angle couldn't get over as a face with that 9/11 crap. When Austin threw his medals off a bridge, he got a face pop. He wasn't hated at all. He gott cheered for beating up JR a week after WrestleMania too.

 

Rock sold out in the fans eyes when they found out he was leaving AGAIN at SummerSlam. thanks for proving my point.

 

Hogan got boos late in the nWo, but remember that was WCW. He was a WWF boy, he was hated anyway. they had been looking for a reason to boo him since he came to WCW just because he was from the WWE. if you notice, it was VERY RARE for Hogan to be booed in the WWF. He tried to kill the Rock and was cheered for godssake!

 

 

Brock is able to sell well, and knows when to make his comebacks, and knows how to do them in a manner to pop the crowd. THAT'S what a main-event babyface needs. That's in-ring charisma. IT ISN'T THE SAME AS WORKRATE.

 

 

Oh and judging from the reactions the Rock was getting if you gave Brock a "reason" to F5 Hogan, the fans would side with Brock. if he did it out of the blue, of COURSE HE WOULD GET BOOED. NJo good guy attacks other good guys out of nowhere.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

What I'm saying is Brock is over because he's being put in all the right angles against all the right people. People with great heat....Rock, Heyman, Angle.

I agree he was in the right place at the right time with Rock, but he built his own popularity for killing himself with taker at No Mercy. WEatch the SD! after that match; he outpops UT and that's IN SPITE OF HAVING HEYMAN RIGHT THERE.

[NYU 0]

Oh and judging from the reactions the Rock was getting if you gave Brock a "reason" to F5 Hogan, the fans would side with Brock. if he did it out of the blue, of COURSE HE WOULD GET BOOED. NJo good guy attacks other good guys out of nowhere.

At the top of his popularity, Austin sure as hell got a lot of cheers if he stunned a face Dude Love or a face Shawn Michaels for no reason. There is "Good Face" and "SUPERSTAR FACE". Brock is a good face, but in no way is he a SUPERSTAR FACE.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Brock is an ass-kicker. People like that. He does it very well. He also sells like a motherfucker.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Oh and judging from the reactions the Rock was getting if you gave Brock a "reason" to F5 Hogan, the fans would side with Brock. if he did it out of the blue, of COURSE HE WOULD GET BOOED. NJo good guy attacks other good guys out of nowhere.

At the top of his popularity, Austin sure as hell got a lot of cheers if he stunned a face Dude Love or a face Shawn Michaels for no reason. There is "Good Face" and "SUPERSTAR FACE". Brock is a good face, but in no way is he a SUPERSTAR FACE.

Austin got pops because it was in his character. Make it part of Brock's character to do that. You also forgot to mention that he did that to taker at A COLD DAY IN HELL, and got booed for it.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

The guy is over yes...but that still isn't an excuse for shitty booking an Angle that should be huge.

 

Think how much more heat this match would have if the feud was more back and forth? They're short changing themselves by making this so one sided. It almost makes Angle look like nothing more than a transitional champ.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Do I have to bring up the heros journey? Tonight was the turn of the tide - it should be more back-and-forth after this.

[Guest Brian]

I think they can still salvage it though if they start at No Way Out. Otherwise, they have nothing.