O'Reilly to do segment on Hennig

February 21, 2003

If O'Reilly had Mick Foley on, Bill would call Mick Foley the most retarded man on earth.

He would say that he has created the whole yardtard society, he would say that he killed himself for no reason besides brief fame and a paycheck, he would say that Mick Foley did nothing signifigant besides corrupt children, turning them into violent people.

Bill does not appreciate wrestling, he would just look at the facts, some clips, and make a judgement. And, in a way, would be he entirely wrong?

February 21, 2003

He did help create backyard influence- even though it's not his fault.

He did kill himself because that was the only way he could get over because his look didnt exactly scream: main event.

Mick Foley did help get a lot of people to read though.

We'll wait and see what happens and I hope Bill gets his facts straight

February 21, 2003

Why should I admire someone for just yelling at people? That's what I'd like to know. No-BS attitudes are pretty damn worthless if you're only saying whatever injurious thing you can to the person you're talking to.

I will watch, I will expect to be outraged, then I'll see the O'Reilly fanboys here defend his attempts to trivialize the deaths of people who we have held dear through their careers as he says how worthless what they were doing was in the first place, so none of us should give a shit. He knows he'll pop a rating because the wrestling fans will watch, and he'll use that chance to rip into each and every one of us. I wouldn't even bother writing any kind of angry E-mail because he'd just write it off immediately as me being some stupid southerner (seeing where I'm from) who doesn't know his asshole from a hole in the ground, and promptly delete it, or worse, bring it up on the show itself and rip into all of us again.

February 21, 2003

He won't trivialize it, he's going to bring to light WHY wrestlers die so young, and why there's no benefits to protect them. Why is that a bad thing? Afraid your little happy image of pro wrestling will be shattered? It's a sick business and someone needs to clean it up so we don't have anymore Hennigs, Rudes or Bulldogs...

February 21, 2003

Why should I admire someone for just yelling at people? That's what I'd like to know. No-BS attitudes are pretty damn worthless if you're only saying whatever injurious thing you can to the person you're talking to.

I will watch, I will expect to be outraged, then I'll see the O'Reilly fanboys here defend his attempts to trivialize the deaths of people who we have held dear through their careers as he says how worthless what they were doing was in the first place, so none of us should give a shit. He knows he'll pop a rating because the wrestling fans will watch, and he'll use that chance to rip into each and every one of us. I wouldn't even bother writing any kind of angry E-mail because he'd just write it off immediately as me being some stupid southerner (seeing where I'm from) who doesn't know his asshole from a hole in the ground, and promptly delete it, or worse, bring it up on the show itself and rip into all of us again.

Its called Courage...people are offended every day, the point what make him better than lets just say King, is that he does not give a fuck who he hurts at long as he gets to the truth of the matter as shown.

The only way you beat him, is play his game. Dont spin, do your research, and dont back down on your points. The problem is with his interview with Linda-McMahon, was that he broke down the points, but he could not get Linda to crack- Because she has facts to back her up. Just bring the facts to the board-thats all.

February 21, 2003

He won't trivialize it, he's going to bring to light WHY wrestlers die so young, and why there's no benefits to protect them. Why is that a bad thing? Afraid your little happy image of pro wrestling will be shattered? It's a sick business and someone needs to clean it up so we don't have anymore Hennigs, Rudes or Bulldogs...

I'm aware it's a sick and disgusting business rife with corruption and ill-morals. However, it is still something I'm pretty devoted to, and I don't like hearing an ignorant boob try and act like he knows about it. If this was a plain ol' edition about wrestling in general, I wouldn't mind nearly as much if I knew ahead of time, like in this case, that he's going to be addressing the death of one or perhaps more if what we think it's going to be about follows through.

And I doubt Mr. O'Reilly will clean anything up. He'll just shuffle the trash around a bit.

February 21, 2003

Im sure his guest will be someone of the Phil Mushnick ilk and it will just be a roast of pro wrestling and its deceased. OReilly wont be having any legit challengers to his 'mind' (rap is bad mmmkay) and if he does, the guest wont get a word in edgewise. I watch the Factor often as it does bring new and different stories to the light of day but it does absolutelyt nothing if Billy boy can never admit hes wrong even when its painfully obvious.

February 21, 2003

I find it kinda funny that so many people here think that the reason many of us expect the worst is because wrestling is a shady business. Of course it's a shady business. Most businesses are. What, do you think backstabbing, heartless budget-cuts for that extra unnecessary buck, and politics aren't played at companies like Coca-Cola? The only reason most people will blast wrestling is because they've never actually sat down and WATCHED it, and all they know about it is that it's admittedly staged, and that deaths occur.

And the reason I'd like Foley to come in is because he could call O'Reilly on everything. But now that some have mentioned Piper, I'm not so sure Foley would be best. Piper would get right in O'Reilly's and defend the business until his death. And I won't be surprised if O'Reilly brings up Owen's death as a means to justify wrestling's shadiness and negative side. But there would be one huge and MAJOR fault in doing so: Owen Hart's death was not attributed to WRESTLING, but to a STUNT.

cawthon777 · February 21, 2003

I'm in Bob's position. I love Hennig and I love O'Reilly (have several copies of his books autographed). Wathing this segment will be like my parents fighting "STOP YELLING! BE NICE!"

It's true that he did mention wrestling as being among the worst things on TV today. I disagree with him. However, wrestling is right up there with Jerry Springer or any reality TV show in that it's far from high brow entertainment. I do agree that pro wrestling has stereotyped itself as a redneck sport where the referee is always blind and a steel chair is used in every match. If you aren't a wrestling fan, and a die-hard at that, you have no notion of Puro or Lucha or anything aside from what you'd see on Raw and Smackdown. There is a lot of crap in the wrestling industry that gives the good guys a bad name.

But I won't be against getting on his case if he's out of line or disrespectful.

February 21, 2003

I'm still blown away people actually LIKE this guy.

Sure, his books are okay, but watching him debate... Any spin he removes is covered by the creamy coating of spin he applies himself.

I've actually watched him debate IN CIRCLES with someone before. It's sad.

Bill: Why make an HIV+ Muppet?

Sesame Street Spokeswoman: It's only in South Africa. It's about education. A lot of people die there from AIDS.

Bill: NOT IN THIS COUNTRY

SSS: It's not in this country. This character is exclusive to the South African version.

Bill: Okay. So how do you teach children about this?

SSS: Well, you can play with this Muppet. You can eat with this Muppet. This Muppet is just like any other Muppet. But...

Bill: But when it starts to bleed, you should leave the room.

SSS: You should get a parent.

Bill: I don't want my children seeing this!

SSS: Your children won't be seeing this, it's only the South African version of Sesame Street.

...Then, after the end of the discussion, when he couldn't get her to give him something to argue against, he ended the conversation saying "Nice idea, but over here? Nuh-uh. Coming up next..."

EDIT: Fixed a mix up South Africa and South America. LOL.

cawthon777 · February 21, 2003

Sure, his books are okay, but watching him debate... Any spin he removes is covered by the creamy coating of spin he applies himself.

Mmhmm, it's true that he has his own personal spin. I don't see how someone could not. And I don't like him because of his debate skills. I like him because he doesn't play favorites and he holds people accountable for their actions (in a society where they often are not). And for the most part I agree with his politics.

February 21, 2003

I like Bill because he gets straight to the point and asks tough questions. It's nice to see a show where issues are looked at with some actual vigor. Another thing I like about Bill is that he pulls no punches, he doesn't let anyone get away with spewing crap with no substance. I respect ALL journalists who go the extra mile for the truth.

February 21, 2003

Im sure his guest will be someone of the Phil Mushnick ilk and it will just be a roast of pro wrestling and its deceased. OReilly wont be having any legit challengers to his 'mind' (rap is bad mmmkay) and if he does, the guest wont get a word in edgewise. I watch the Factor often as it does bring new and different stories to the light of day but it does absolutelyt nothing if Billy boy can never admit hes wrong even when its painfully obvious.

O'Reilly seldom has one side of an issue. He'll either debate someone who is defending the business, or have two guest on his show from opposing sides.

February 22, 2003

Come on Vern! Do you watch the show? Bill always does spots on border patrol and Jesse Jackson and often has just one guest who hes in agreement with and its a duck-shoot. Granted, noone can defend Jackson and he will never appear so Bill has no alternative there. And if OReilly does get the opposing viewpoint, it will either be a retard he can argue circles around or if its someone who can prove him wrong he wont listen to a word thats spoken.

February 22, 2003

I never said O'Reilly wouldn't stack the deck against pro-wrestling.

This will be an interesting piece if it's only about why wrestlers die at such a young age. That's a black eye in the business, and even the biggest fan can't defend that.

February 22, 2003

This is most likely about why wrestlers die young. There have been a lot of wrestlers dying lately and someone does need to take a look at it.

How do you know he isn't going to bring up the issue of a wrestler union or something.

I trust him to take a much more respectful look at this than ESPN would.

cawthon777 · February 22, 2003

Personally, I don't think this topic is anything new. Which is what bothers me even more ... could this be the media just regurgitating this story because it's so easy to point fingers? "Let's do a story on bashing wrestling. That always gets ratings."

Phil Mushnick did a story on Pillman right after he died. Then Cornette went off on him on Raw. Owen died and the mass media threw up their hands in protest of wrestling (as did I for a time).

Nothing will change in the industry. And do we even know what Hennig died of? Isn't this whole story jumping the gun a bit?

February 22, 2003

At least Maher ADMITTED he had not seen enough of the promotion and sport to judge it in a fair manner, so he kept most of his "more controversial" opinions on the subject to himself.

I'm scared to see if O'Reilly will bring in some jaded idiot like Phil Mushnick and attack the industry, more specifically (and pretty much a given) Vince McMahon.

February 22, 2003

I doubt he'll bring in Mushbrains b/c he doesn't use facts when talking about wrestling.

And if Mushbrains does well then there's always the hope that O'Reilly plays devil's advocate and runs him off like the idiot that he is.

February 22, 2003

Um, because it's not a wrestling show and he hardly has ever brought it up. He's entertaining in getting his points across, has a no BS attitude towards telling his guests what he feels (and calling them when theyre wrong) and makes some darn good points on a lot of political topics that other shows don't touch. But of course you'd probably enjoy Donahue more (better catch him quick before he's cancelled in a month for Ventura!)

He's as entertaing as Rush, mainly because it's fun to laugh AT him. His opinions are all BS are all slanted towards the Right. He interupts his guests and insults them when they don't agree. I'd rather watch Donahue than William "Media Whore" O'Reilly. I'll be watching Ventura as well. Fox News can burn in hell for all i care.

February 22, 2003

I'm still blown away people actually LIKE this guy.

You and me both.

February 22, 2003

I think Donahue is entertaining in his own, weird way. The bug eyes! I love it. Bill O'Reilly does bully his guests and that is the only thing I don't like about him. However, he is entertaining. As far as Fox goes, I watch Hannity and Colmes more than I do O'Reilly. I know a lot of people here think Hannity bullies Colmes and makes him his bitch and what have you, but I don't see it that way. Often times I think Colmes's calm demeanor often makes Hannity seem more like a extemist nut than he is. Colmes's calm act also helps his cause out because he tries to give off an aura of moderacy even when he takes a leftist stance.

February 22, 2003

I consider Colmes a true moderate. Donahue's blue eyes are pretty cool.

cawthon777 · February 22, 2003

His opinions are all BS are all slanted towards the Right.

Slanted toward the right, sure, but he doesn't play favorites. He'll call Bush out on something just as easily as he would a Kennedy.

February 22, 2003

"I'm not a "smart mark". That's such a retarded term that makes no sense. I'm just a fan of wrestling."

I have to disagree there. I think it makes perfect sense.

"Wrestling IS white trash. I have been to a lot of live shows and a majority of the fans are white trash."

North American wrestling, maybe. Not in places like Japan or Mexico.

"And wrestling is fake in the sense that it's all staged."

Not the same thing. Almost every move, punch, and kick HURTS. Heck, boxing matches have been staged before too. Does that make them "fake"? It's stagged, but I wouldn't call it fake.

"So he's right on both accounts."

Again, I disagree. He's simply generalizing and playing to his core audience.

"The deaths of all these young guys deserves to be looked into and I applaude O'Reilly for doing it."

Maybe IF he doesn't just use it as an oppurtunity to bash wrestling in general.

"Just because he doesn't like wrestling- doesn't mean I have to dislike him. My parents think wrestling is insanely idiotic- yet I dont hate them"

I didn't say you did. But almost everyone here is a big wrestling fan, it just struck me as odd.

February 22, 2003

"Wrestling IS white trash. I have been to a lot of live shows and a majority of the fans are white trash."

North American wrestling, maybe. Not in places like Japan or Mexico.

Well yea- I meant North American wrestling. Most wrestling fans only know about Tajiri and Funaki when it comes to Japanese wrestlers

"And wrestling is fake in the sense that it's all staged."

Not the same thing. Almost every move, punch, and kick HURTS. Heck, boxing matches have been staged before too. Does that make them "fake"? It's stagged, but I wouldn't call it fake.

Every wrestling match (well non-UFC,MMA) is staged which is why I could understand someone calling it 'fake'. It's not the best term for it but I don't mind someone using it.

I don't really get the term 'smart mark'. I mean in the end- aren't we all just fans of the business

cawthon777 · February 22, 2003

"Wrestling IS white trash. I have been to a lot of live shows and a majority of the fans are white trash."

North American wrestling, maybe. Not in places like Japan or Mexico.

"And wrestling is fake in the sense that it's all staged."

Not the same thing. Almost every move, punch, and kick HURTS. Heck, boxing matches have been staged before too. Does that make them "fake"? It's stagged, but I wouldn't call it fake.

"So he's right on both accounts."

Again, I disagree. He's simply generalizing and playing to his core audience.

Not even casual fans understand the difference between North American, Puro, and Lucha styles. It will never be brought up on the Factor. On top of that, is the death rate the same in Japan or Mexico as it is here? Not from what I can tell.

To everyone that is not a fan or does not at least respect pro wrestling, it will ALWAYS be "fake". You can't take that word out of others' vocabularies.

When it comes to media, it's best that wrestling keeps a low profile. Otherwise, it's just going to catch flack for things that it has little or no control over (little kids killing other little kids, etc). As much as I respect O'Reilly, he has the same mindset towards wrestling as every other journalist out there - it serves no purpose and kills brain cells.

Although, to give credit where credit is due, I thought Larry King did a wonderful interview with Bret and Martha Hart the day of Owen's funeral. Larry actually seemed knowledgeable about Bret's history and asked some very intelligent questions.

February 22, 2003

I still dont see why the business of pro wrestling gets so much shit about being fake. Its entirely upfront about it and has been for years. Movies are fake too, even moreso than rasslin, yet that doesnt get mentioned. The OReillys of the world have been pullin at this straw since its been admittedly fake for years and years. I think OReilly needs a reminder that America is not a Puritan state and we dont need our hands held. We know wrestling is fake. We know rap lyrics are ghey (but an entirely viable form of free expression). We know Jesse Jackson is corrupt and we know Whitney Houston is a cokehead. We dont need to be told what it right and what is not. Watching pro wrestling and such is a channel for natural violent urges. Its alot safer to WATCH trained pros do this shit then to do it ourselves. And its alot safer to live out gangsta lifestyles through cds then through real life. I applaud OReilly for covering different stories than the Elite Media but he needs to remove his head from his ass and realize America is not a land of 6 year olds trying to break into the medicine cabinet.

February 22, 2003

He's as entertaing as Rush, mainly because it's fun to laugh AT him. His opinions are all BS are all slanted towards the Right. He interupts his guests and insults them when they don't agree. I'd rather watch Donahue than William "Media Whore" O'Reilly. I'll be watching Ventura as well. Fox News can burn in hell for all i care.

I would like to applaud those here who have criticized O'Reilly for VALID reasons, such as his debating style, etc.

Unlike Dreamer here.

Of course, everyone is entitled to their opinion, I just think it's so much bullshit when people shit on O'Reilly or Fox News, and the answer to the question "Why do you dislike either of them?" is almost always tied in to politics.

I find it ironic that you chastise Bill for being too far to the Right, and then profess your desire to watch Donahue.

February 22, 2003

I consider Colmes a true moderate. Donahue's blue eyes are pretty cool.

Why in the world would you think something like that. Did he say he was a moderate.

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