Buffy season 4 DVD info and artwork

[Guest Youth N Asia]

Good call EQ.

 

SPOILERS...(I think)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wasn't Hush the episode where Joyce dies? And I thought she died in season 5, so why is Joss talking about it in season 4? Or am I just way off?

 

I've only seen a few episodes of season 4&5 on FX, but I don't know the overall story. So I don't know shit about those seasons.

She passes in season 5

[Guest Cavi]

"The Body" being that episode. One of most brilliant pieces of television ever.

[Guest raptor]

For being an overall subpar season, Season 4 had some great moments:

 

"Fear Itself"

"Hush"

Anything Spike did

"Restless"

 

Then again, Riley kind of ruins all those good things.

 

Also, Adam got infinitley more interesting after reading the Buffy: Haunted miniseries and I found out that he was a murdered Initiative soldier.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

People shit too much on 4 just cause of Riley and the Initiative. I really liked season 4, it's where Spike moved to be a main character.

 

As a whole I still say season 6 is the weakest...Once More With Feeling was a classic, and the last few episode were great, but it really dragged.

[Guest KingOfOldSchool]

Wasn't Hush the episode where Joyce dies? And I thought she died in season 5, so why is Joss talking about it in season 4? Or am I just way off?

 

I've only seen a few episodes of season 4&5 on FX, but I don't know the overall story. So I don't know shit about those seasons.

Nope...

 

SPOILER WARNING

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

'Hush' was well before Joyce's death, and it's where The Gentlemen were the featured villains (those same guys on the cover on this set). The episode where Joyce's death takes place is in season 5, titled 'The Body.'

[cawthon777 0]

Good call EQ.

 

SPOILERS...(I think)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wasn't Hush the episode where Joyce dies? And I thought she died in season 5, so why is Joss talking about it in season 4? Or am I just way off?

 

I've only seen a few episodes of season 4&5 on FX, but I don't know the overall story. So I don't know shit about those seasons.

SPOILERS...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What happened is that Buffy's mom got sick in Season 4. It was just a nagging thing that slowly escalated into something more as Season 5 began.

 

I heard somewhere about Anthony Head commenting on that situation. He was told that Joyce was to be killed off. But it never happened. They just kept dragging it on and he assumed they had decided to keep her on.

 

Buffy's mom gets better and life continues. Then Buffy comes home at the end of a fairly light-hearted episode and finds her mom dead on the couch (eyes wide open, very creepy).

 

That's classic Joss for you. Catches you when you're least expecting it.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

The part about the eps. where Buffy finds Joyce dead that really kicks it up a notch: It was all about unconditional love (sure it was a robot and rather obsessive - but that doesn't really matter)...and whats more unconditional than a mothers love? And not only that, Buffy just left a relationship where there were conditions.

 

Adam was a cool villain if you've read Frankenstein and know the Promethean Myth.

[Guest Mole]

SPOILERS...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What happened is that Buffy's mom got sick in Season 4. It was just a nagging thing that slowly escalated into something more as Season 5 began.

 

I heard somewhere about Anthony Head commenting on that situation. He was told that Joyce was to be killed off. But it never happened. They just kept dragging it on and he assumed they had decided to keep her on.

 

Buffy's mom gets better and life continues. Then Buffy comes home at the end of a fairly light-hearted episode and finds her mom dead on the couch (eyes wide open, very creepy).

 

That's classic Joss for you. Catches you when you're least expecting it.

I have seen a few episodes of 4 and 5, and I always seem to see the important ones. I saw the one where Joyce was just found dead, it didn't get the full effect because I knew she was dead before I saw the episode.

 

My ex basically told me everything about Buffy, so I could understand everything for season 6. So I knew a lot of the key storylines, and what happened to who.

 

Thanks for the understanding though.

[Guest EQ]

I thought season 4 was the weakest, but that doesn't mean I didn't like it. I have no problem with Riley either. And how can anyone diss season 6?! To me, this was an awesome season.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Season 6 had the unfortunate position of being after Season 5...

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Going back to what someone said early in the thread about widescreen...

 

Season 4 of Buffy and Season 1 of Angel (and every season since then) WERE all shot in widescreen and they cut it to pan in scan for TV and for the DVD set (of Angel anyway) so widescreen would actually be the original aspect ratio.

[Guest Cavi]

Are you sure of that? Both Joss and Ray Stella comment in the OMWF script book that that particular episode was the first and only Buffy episode ever to be shot for widescreen.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I'm positive. In fact following the region 2 release of Buffy season 4 there was a massive campaign of angry people that they didn't release the shows in widescreen.

 

Once more with feeling is the only ep that was ever broadcast in widescreen. Most every TV show is and has been shot in widescreen for some time now.

[Guest fazzle]

Season 6 had the unfortunate position of being after Season 5...

How exactly is that unfortunate? Crap following more crap?

 

Season 5 is, IMO, the worst Buffy season, followed closely by 6. Overall story arcs might put season 6 below season 5, but at least season 6 had a few good episodes, where 5 was just a constant stream of "blah."

[Guest Cavi]

I'm positive.  In fact following the region 2 release of Buffy season 4 there was a massive campaign of angry people that they didn't release the shows in widescreen.

 

Once more with feeling is the only ep that was ever broadcast in widescreen.  Most every TV show is and has been shot in widescreen for some time now.

Ah, ok. Don't know why Joss would misspeak though.

 

On a related note, I saw the other day that OMWF itself is seeing its own DVD release in the UK in April. Hopefully they really pack in the extras. David Fury was said to have shot some thirty hours of behind the scenes footage.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Season 5 was amazing. The Body and the Season finale were two of the best eps. the show has produced.

[Guest fazzle]

I dunno, The Body didn't really do much for me. It was decently sad the first time, but it doesn't have any staying power after that. I guess I'm just a heartless bastard.

 

And as a stand alone? Yeah, the season finale was good(even though it would be better if Buffy had just let Dawn jump) but then it lead to all the horrible season 6 plotlines with Buffy coming back and Willow's magic. Plus the finale would have been alot better if it had ANY momentum from past episodes, but instead it got the "privilege" of following Spiral and Weight of the World. Yeeeech.

[Guest EQ]

Personally, I think "The Body" was overrated. Don't get me wrong, it was good... but I just didn't really care for it as much as I cared for other eps.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Season 4 is the worst season...but I'd still put it ahead of many many many other shows anyway.

 

Season 5 was good. Season 6 is one of my favorites...making me abnormal and strange.

[Guest EQ]

I completely agree with you. I loved season 6. I couldn't get enough of the 3 nerds

[Guest fazzle]

But NOTHING HAPPENED in Season 6. The only event that ended up meaning anything happened with only 4 episodes left.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I disagree.

 

Season 6 was when shit hit the fan for every character...which I felt was overdue since they live on the hellmouth...but for years every ep would begin and end with happy slayerettes!

 

Xander and Anya didn't work, Tara and Willow obviously didn't work, Buffy and Spike didn't work. Nothing worked and everyone was miserable. It was about time.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

The season finale was great because it incorporated the entire season in one eps. The hammer, the 'death is my gift', spike, Giles killing Ben, etc. Just amazing stuff.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

The season finale of season 5 was Giles' finest moment, IMO.

 

Well...either that or when he went and tried to kill Angelus in "Passion".

 

Anyway...the end of season 5 was probably the best representation of Giles as Buffy's protector.

[Guest fazzle]

Nothing worked and everyone was miserable. It was about time.

Misery is good in small doses. But all miserable all the time? Just not entertaining to watch. I'm just glad that I got through all of season 6 in 2-3 weeks, because I'd probably hate it more than I already do if I spent months waiting for something...anything, and getting what they sent out. And the only episode that truly needed a big batch of misery, the season premiere, instead chose to have Buffybot wackiness.

[Guest Edwin MacPhisto]

Vague spoilers, I guess, for Season 6, but not really, especially since this has pretty much become a general discussion of all things not the current season. Which I like, because the current season thread is full of spoilers, and is why I haven't gone on there in over a month. Keep this one going and in the past.

 

I love season 5. It might be my favorite, though I think overall, 3 is probably my personal winner.

 

5 has a lot of stinkers. From my personal list: Family, Shadow, Listening To Fear, Tough Love, and I Was Made To Love You are all pretty poor, and the first 5 eps ("Replacement" aside) have a lot of problems. The overall storyline arc is great, though, and from the moment that everything starts to shift over to Spike as a viable male lead, it's wonderful. "Intervention" may be my personal favorite ep of all time. It's all in the character stuff. To me, season 5 is really where Buffy, Spike, Xander, Anya, and Willow all really come into their own as finally starting to be grown-ups, or human, or however. Also, Joel Grey's cameos are the bomb.

 

6 is slow, and has very few blow-you-away eps. Yet the overall arc is subtly crafted (excepting the infamous magic story), the nerds are wonderful, and Spike/Buffy is to die for, which kind of makes up for the lackluster near-apocalypse.

 

What do you all think is the most consistent season? For me it's easily 3, which has only one ep I'd consider bad.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I think it worked for me because the whole year felt different from the first 5. It felt dpressing as hell...but hey...I just work here...

 

um...

 

Anyway...season 7 thus far is vaulting to the top of my list and a good blowoff could see this sumbitch reach the epic heights of season 2 in my mind.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

What was teh bad ep in season 3?

 

It's not my favorite season...but I wonder what ep you mean.

[Guest fazzle]

Anyway...season 7 thus far is vaulting to the top of my list and a good blowoff could see this sumbitch reach the epic heights of season 2 in my mind.

Well, we can agree there.

 

I think the season's been slipping lately, since the SiTs came to town, but it started out great, and I'll give ME the benefit of the doubt, and think they can turn it around and go back to greatness for the end.

 

Edit: As for the "one season 3 bad episode" I'll take a guess and say either Anne or Amends.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

"I was made for you" was a great eps. IMO as it was a fun eps. with some really good character development (Buffy at the end on the swing) and set up joyces death perfectly.