What would you like to say to Saddam?

[Guest Silence]

Dear Saddam, I would like to tell you that your days on this earth are coming to an end soon. The United States Army is going to pay you a little visit. Their bringing some friends too. The United States Marine Corps. The United States Air Force, and of course the United States Navy.

I hope your falafal tastes good tonight. Because it just might be your last.

 

P.S. I hope you like fire.

 

Sincerly yours,

 

Silence.

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

Dear Silence, you're an overdramatic, lame person so far.

 

P.S. I hope you like flames.

 

+-> Patrick

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

I'd ask him if he likes Kylie Minogue.

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

If he doesn't, that's reason enough to invade Iraq, fuck the proper channels.

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

Well, what if he did and Kylie invited you into a 3-way between her and Sadam? Would you be able to put aside your hatred or dislike of Sadam for a chance to tap that Minogue ass?

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

To be perfectly honest, yes, because she'd very quickly realize that the other dude was 60+ and, you know, evil and stuff, leaving it allll for me. As soon as she said she'd want only me, I'd put my pants back on and inform her that I don't think of her in a sexual manner.

 

EDIT: And I just now noticed the Radiohead in your sig. Kudos.

[Guest Banky]

Why do you want war? So millions of people can die because of Dubya's greed for oil? Money money money money moneeeey. You know the Million Dollar Man gimmick was great in the wrestling fantasy land, but in real life society it doesn't fly.

[Guest papacita]

I got no beef with Saddam.

[Guest Banky]

I got no beef with Saddam.

Until he does something to us, we should all mind our own business.

[Guest Silence]

Why do you want war?

Grant Swank, Jr. (1/06/03)

 

Lest we grow numb to Saddam Hussein’s atrocities, let us keep in the forefront of our ethics what devilment this "evil" fiend has been up to. Such is the crucial component regarding what a free, morally sensitive global citizenry must do in response to Hussein’s ongoing dark presence in our world.

 

He is a hatchet man of the first order:

 

Sheikh Taleb Al Souhail, outstanding Iraqi leaders and chief of the Bani Tamim tribe, was murdered by Hussein’s intelligence service, the Mukhabarat.

The Faylee Kurds, mainly men ages 16-28, were tortured in Hussein’s detention camps while their families were sent away to Iran.

Hetau Ibrahim Ahmad, prominent Kurdish spokesperson, tells of her having to flee her entire lifetime, in fact becoming a daily refugee. She sets forth detail of killings, oppression and displacement of Kurds by Hussein terrorists.

Dr. Katrine Michael, 1988 victim of chemical weaponry, had to flee to Turkey because of the ongoing chemical bombardment of Kurds by Hussein.

Nidhal Mhuk Shalal Aljuburi, Sabria Mahdi Naama and Peyman Halmat relate women’s public beheadings (while family members were forced to watch), women being dragged through village streets, rapes by Hussein’s security forces, kidnapping and mass killings, and displacements.

Nidhal Muhi Shalal Aljuburi told of the practical extinction of her Jibour tribe, such including relatives, by Hussein. She related Hussein’s purposeful polluting of southern Iraq marsh areas, such yielding the dying out of animal life. (1)

Further crimes by Hussein include:

 

Draining of the southern part of Iraq during the 1990s, such "cleansing" thousands of Iraqi Shiites.

More ethnic obliteration of the non-Arab population of Kirkuk, blatantly murdering thousands of Hussein’s political opponents.

Overseeing the murdering of more than 1000 Kuwaitis after his invasion of Kuwait, as well as holding foreign diplomats as hostages, stealing from Kuwaiti citizenry, raining down missiles upon Israeli civilians and seeing through war crimes against American militia.

Amassing weapons of mass destruction and instigating global terrorism.

 

Maybe?

[Guest Banky]

Why do you want war?

Grant Swank, Jr. (1/06/03)

 

Lest we grow numb to Saddam Hussein’s atrocities, let us keep in the forefront of our ethics what devilment this "evil" fiend has been up to. Such is the crucial component regarding what a free, morally sensitive global citizenry must do in response to Hussein’s ongoing dark presence in our world.

 

He is a hatchet man of the first order:

 

Sheikh Taleb Al Souhail, outstanding Iraqi leaders and chief of the Bani Tamim tribe, was murdered by Hussein’s intelligence service, the Mukhabarat.

The Faylee Kurds, mainly men ages 16-28, were tortured in Hussein’s detention camps while their families were sent away to Iran.

Hetau Ibrahim Ahmad, prominent Kurdish spokesperson, tells of her having to flee her entire lifetime, in fact becoming a daily refugee. She sets forth detail of killings, oppression and displacement of Kurds by Hussein terrorists.

Dr. Katrine Michael, 1988 victim of chemical weaponry, had to flee to Turkey because of the ongoing chemical bombardment of Kurds by Hussein.

Nidhal Mhuk Shalal Aljuburi, Sabria Mahdi Naama and Peyman Halmat relate women’s public beheadings (while family members were forced to watch), women being dragged through village streets, rapes by Hussein’s security forces, kidnapping and mass killings, and displacements.

Nidhal Muhi Shalal Aljuburi told of the practical extinction of her Jibour tribe, such including relatives, by Hussein. She related Hussein’s purposeful polluting of southern Iraq marsh areas, such yielding the dying out of animal life. (1)

Further crimes by Hussein include:

 

Draining of the southern part of Iraq during the 1990s, such "cleansing" thousands of Iraqi Shiites.

More ethnic obliteration of the non-Arab population of Kirkuk, blatantly murdering thousands of Hussein’s political opponents.

Overseeing the murdering of more than 1000 Kuwaitis after his invasion of Kuwait, as well as holding foreign diplomats as hostages, stealing from Kuwaiti citizenry, raining down missiles upon Israeli civilians and seeing through war crimes against American militia.

Amassing weapons of mass destruction and instigating global terrorism.

 

Maybe?

You are getting fed bullshit. Don't believe the hype....unless its about John Cena. Until there is solid evidence of weapons or a direct threat to North America, than fine. America needs to mind their own business, and not play 'God' to every country around the world. Thats why 9-11 happened.

[Guest JMA]

If I met Saddam I'd kill him and steal his concubines. Instead of liberating Iraq as new ruler I'd declare anarchy and mob rules.

[Guest Stunt Granny]

If I met Saddam, I would threaten shoot him. He would have to pay me a pretty penny in order not to do it, like $50 or how ever many ruples are equivilant.

[Guest DrTom]

America needs to mind their own business, and not play 'God' to every country around the world. Thats why 9-11 happened.

Naive views like that will ensure that something like it happens again.

[Guest Banky]

America needs to mind their own business, and not play 'God' to every country around the world. Thats why 9-11 happened.

Naive views like that will ensure that something like it happens again.

If that is your opinion, I'll take your comment as a compliment.

[Guest DrTom]

If that is your opinion, I'll take your comment as a compliment.

You shouldn't. I think anyone who has an opinion like that is a stupid moral relativist, and while I generally like you, I'm not going to make an exception because of that.

 

We didn't bring this on ourselves, and we didn't go around courting reasons to "deserve" it. We were attacked because men like Usama bin Laden are evil, and the only way they know to resolve things is with violence. It is the fault of the terrorists and those who funded them that we were attacked in such a cowardly manner. While I agree that we shouldn't be playing GloboCop, we also shouldn't change our policies abroad because of a terrorist attack.

 

Moral relativism is dangerous.

[Guest Banky]

You shouldn't. I think anyone who has an opinion like that is a stupid moral relativist, and while I generally like you, I'm not going to make an exception because of that.

 

We didn't bring this on ourselves, and we didn't go around courting reasons to "deserve" it. We were attacked because men like Usama bin Laden are evil, and the only way they know to resolve things is with violence. It is the fault of the terrorists and those who funded them that we were attacked in such a cowardly manner. While I agree that we shouldn't be playing GloboCop, we also shouldn't change our policies abroad because of a terrorist attack.

 

Moral relativism is dangerous.

I think its awfully ethocentric to try and tell people how to live their lives. I am a firm believer in democracy, but to force people to live like us, such simply angers other people. I shouldn't have said we deserve it, but by going to war over American propaghanda is not the answer. It'll only cause greater difficulties for everyone, and in the process kill millions of people. I am a pacifist. I do not believe in war under any circumstances. I am not a nationalist. I will not go to war for my country. I care about what goes on around me, but it is not my duty to stick my nose into other peoples cultures and try to make them be like me. I feel terrible for the people who had to live under the Taliban, and live in constant fear in Iraq but maybe some of them were happy with how they were living. We should think how they do before we come to such conclusions. Its a difficult situation, and I don't know what the solution is. History dictates that war proves nothing, and numbs everyone involved. I don't want to see it, be a part of it, or promote it.

[Guest Silence]

History dictates that war proves nothing, and numbs everyone involved. I don't want to see it, be a part of it, or promote it.

Banky, I can respect your position. It takes a lot of courage to be a true pacifist. I can understand you not wanting to be a part of war, however, unfortunatly there are too many people who do not think like you. Mao for instance said that 'nothing changes except at the point of a bayonete'. Hitler wanted to enslave the rest of the non-arian races. ...ect.

Banky, until we can get everyone on your sheet of music, we will unfortunatly need to kill evil pukes.

[Guest Banky]

Thats what I mean. I don't know if I am right. I just know what I feel in my heart. Hitler's hate mongering needed to be stopped, so in that instance it was necessary. America saved millions of Jewish and Slavic people throughout Europe, as Hitler would have exterminated them all if given the chance. Is there an emergency that grave in Iraq today? I honestly don't know. If Hussein had the aspiritions of killing millions upon millions of people, than something must be done. I don't think any of us know the real siuation down there. What the status is how the weapons, and other things. You try and stay aware of the issues out there, but I am defintely not up to speed. The whole conflict kinda annoys me. I just wish it would all go away, but it never will. There'll never be peace in this world, and I can't deny that. I guess if battle is necessary, it'll happen. I just won't ever condone it personally.

[Guest evenflowDDT]

We were attacked because men like Usama bin Laden are evil, and the only way they know to resolve things is with violence.

Ummmm.... so then why are we following their example by resolving our problems with Iraq through violence?

[Guest SP-1]

We were attacked because men like Usama bin Laden are evil, and the only way they know to resolve things is with violence.

Ummmm.... so then why are we following their example by resolving our problems with Iraq through violence?

I think Tom's point is that a continued inaction on our part will not be met with an end to the attacks. It's either meet them head on and take them out or do nothing while waiting for a nuke or a smallpox bomb to go off in Chicago or something.

[Guest evenflowDDT]

We were attacked because men like Usama bin Laden are evil, and the only way they know to resolve things is with violence.

Ummmm.... so then why are we following their example by resolving our problems with Iraq through violence?

I think Tom's point is that a continued inaction on our part will not be met with an end to the attacks. It's either meet them head on and take them out or do nothing while waiting for a nuke or a smallpox bomb to go off in Chicago or something.

Ahh, OK. I misinterpreted what he was saying. Sorry about that.

 

As for what I'd say to Saddam? "Dude, just get rid of it. Legal, illegal, I don't care just do it! Then there's no justification!"

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

 

Let's Party!

[Guest DrTom]

I think Tom's point is that a continued inaction on our part will not be met with an end to the attacks.

That was precisely my point. Appeasement never does any good in situations like this, and there's no point in trying to negotiate with fanatical terrorists. The best way to deal with them is simply to exterminate them.

[Guest DrTom]

I think its awfully ethocentric to try and tell people how to live their lives.

I don't care to tell anyone how to live their lives. I only care about taking care of people who are continuing threats to this country.

 

I am a firm believer in democracy, but to force people to live like us, such simply angers other people.

Of course, which is why we don't need to go around and beat people with the democracy sledgehammer. However, if we can support more democratic alternatives to existing extremist regimes, that's certainly a viable and less coercive option. Usama bin Laden himself has said that Moslems will follow the stronger horse if given a choice.

 

Hitler's hate mongering needed to be stopped, so in that instance it was necessary.

Absolutely. The thing is, if people like bin Laden had sufficient resources, they'd try to eliminate us all. Their hatred has already claimed thousands of lives. We need to deal with people like that before something severe causes our death toll to rise into the millions. I don't want to see anymore American lives lost, especially because we refused to act.

 

The only condition necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Sometimes, we are simply called to act.