Undertaker request to feud with Albert

[Guest Vern Gagne]

What if it's Albert who stops Undertaker's WM streak.

[Guest AndrewTS]

What if it's Albert who stops Undertaker's WM streak.

[Guest Choken One]

I don't think we have to Worry about that at all...I am convinced Undertaker wanted Albert instead because he might get paranoid that WWE might actually try to persaude Taker to Put over Jones at Mania...and wanted another HOSS that WWE wouldn't put over...

 

Albert and Taker could be a good match if they are "ON" and What better time then Mania to be "ON"...I am not staying a **** match could go down but I certaintly think each could work a good brawl...If Atrain would just Shave his body...He'd look very cool...

 

Is the Streak REALLY that good?

 

Look at his opposition...

 

WMVII-Super Fly Snuka-An Over the hill 80's superstar well past his prime.

 

WMVIII-Jake Roberts-An 80's superstar past his prime on his way out.

 

WMIX-Giant Gonzalez-It's El Gigante...I really don't need to explain that

 

WMXI-King Kong Bundy-80's superstar well past his prime (if he even had one)

 

WMXII-Diesel-Super star on the way out-

 

WMXIII-Sid-I'll give him this one...But his match was completly overshadowed...

 

WMXIV-Kane-I'll give him this one

 

WMXV-Bossman-80's superstar well past his prime...

 

WMX7-HHH-His biggest WM match of all time and Incidentially, His best match of all Manias.

 

WM18-Ric Flair-80's superstar past his prime (Notice an theme)...

 

So really Undertaker's record isn't THAT prestigous...as Only one of those matches broke *** and Only 3 of the matches meant something...the rest were over Hosses or over the hill 80's stars...

[Guest AndrewTS]

Yeah, but it's not who he beat that counts. They didn't even notice the streak until recently, but have decided to keep it going. Being undefeated at the biggest show of the year for so long does make for good bragging rights and something for the announcers to shill.

 

I guess Taker just feels attached to the streak, and wouldn't mind jobbing at other PPVs, but let him just keep his stinkin' WM streak alive.

[Guest Choken One]

Yes, It's really the only Thing Taker will be able to hold over the rest Wrestling History...The only undeafeated Wrestler at Mania...The Super Bowl of Wrestling...

[Guest Trivia247]

Yeah, but it's not who he beat that counts. They didn't even notice the streak until recently, but have decided to keep it going. Being undefeated at the biggest show of the year for so long does make for good bragging rights and something for the announcers to shill.

 

I guess Taker just feels attached to the streak, and wouldn't mind jobbing at other PPVs, but let him just keep his stinkin' WM streak alive.

Of course only recent years that Taker's record sounds impressive.....

 

his peers of the same amount of years doing WM's that are in the WWE is few.

 

Take Hogan for instance...he was in every WM up to 9 and then at WM18

 

thats 10 total....

 

But he lost twice..

 

so he is 8 - 2

 

Taker is 10 - 0

 

HBK been in wm's since the 5 one

 

and he is like 4-6 since he lost his smile around WM13 and wasn't in a match.

 

Bossman was in what Wm's since the 5th one as well but only made 5 appearances

 

Bossman is like 4 -1 (the one vs Taker at Wm15)

 

So the Numbers does matter at a certain point.

 

Taker might want to go out of wrestling never defeated at Wrestlemania...

 

But when talking about WM records...I feel sorry for one guy...

 

Tito Santana.

 

he won only at Wm1 in the opening match, and Lost EVERY single match up to Wm8 at this events

[Guest Rob Edwards]

I'll be polite about this

 

Yeah, Awesome was so good that he's just popping up all over the place now that he's not with WWE.

 

Awesome's been doing pretty well in All Japan, well enough to warrant headlining a show with Mutoh

 

DDP was in his 40s when he go to WWE, hardly young talent.

 

Not young talent but certainly talent that could have drawn money during the Invasion had Taker not made him look such a pussy

 

That was not Kanyon's "big return", he's still working OVW, waiting for a role. Do you think Taker asked them to send him in so he could hit him with a chair?? Pfft.

 

Why else would they do it? Even if he didn't ask he could easily have said no, or given him some offence and besides he previously squashed Kanyon along with DDP at the Invasion making him look ridiculous in the cage match at Summerslam

 

Spanky was hardly out there to look strong riding a little bike and singing was he? Would it have made the slightest bit of sense for the singing telegram to beat him up?!?

 

Nope but again a little offence wouldn't have gone out of hand rather than just being brushed off

 

In what possible way has Taker "held down" either of the Hardyz?? Don't say the Jeff v Taker feud, that made Jeff look like a nutter. It was good for him.

 

Well lets see first he takes them all out in short matchges in late 2001 making them look like total jobbers, then he eliminates them both from the Rumble and when they return he keeps beating them again especially hammering Jeff before repaying the jobs with a handshake following this he failed to sell for one of the hottest new heels in WWE last year when Mattitude was taking off

[Guest Trivia247]

Geez why not go back to complaining that Undertaker was Holding Kamala down ...2001 he held people down OHHH Shit what a bastard to do that 2 years ago.

 

and HBK screwed Bret Hart 6 years ago!!! that evil BASTARD! lol

[Guest wwF1587]

I dont understand how Albert or Jones deserve to face UT at WM... Jones i just starting.. Albert is a unover piece of shit... I guess its better than UT burying Beniot or something but still.. Albert has done nothing but suck JRs dick all year... I always thought WM was a showcase of the immortals... where people who deserve it get their shot to shine... How the HELL does Albert deserve to be at WM in a "big" match with UT? oh well Albert/Show/UT/Jones were made for each other...make it quick and as painless as it can be

[Guest Choken One]

I feel sorry for Rock...

 

WMXIII-Beat Fatass cousin via DQ and Daddy stole the show from him...

 

WMXVI-Got his ass handed to him at the hands of Shammy but decision was reveresed but his "leader" turned on him...

 

WMXV-Lost Main event...

 

WM2000-Lost 4 way main event...

 

WMX7-Lost main event

 

WMX8-OK...Had some match with some guy...Hardly anyone can remember it at all though...

 

has anyone jobbed so many Main events?

[Guest Rob Edwards]

Geez why not go back to complaining that Undertaker was Holding Kamala down ...2001 he held people down OHHH Shit what a bastard to do that 2 years ago.

 

and HBK screwed Bret Hart 6 years ago!!! that evil BASTARD! lol

I'm just using that as the date he started to go into business for himself more plus most of it being Invasion time it's still only a year and a half old rather than 3

[Guest Choken One]

How did Albert did this spot? Simply by being the only other alternative...

 

Hell, I would've brought Undertaker-TBS at Mania since TBS DOES have some NAME VALUE main stream wise...not Albert...

[Guest Trivia247]

Geez why not go back to complaining that Undertaker was Holding Kamala down ...2001 he held people down OHHH Shit what a bastard to do that 2 years ago.

 

and HBK screwed Bret Hart 6 years ago!!! that evil BASTARD! lol

I'm just using that as the date he started to go into business for himself more plus most of it being Invasion time it's still only a year and a half old rather than 3

i'll give ya that it was a shitty way to debut DDP or Kanyon as a strong tag team, only to get fed to Taker and Kane.

 

and DDP Individually to Taker.

 

At the very least you could make a case that Taker as a Loyalist to the WWF in the storylines that he was indomnitable and the Alliance couldn't break him. which kept him as the Backbone to be placed in that final Survivor Series match that ended all that nonsense...

 

Kanyon and DDP deserved far better

 

Nathan Jones, even if he is a no talented Hoss still needs to Monster squash to start with. and He won't be able to do that if they set him up against Taker. and if they do Squash taker to Jones at WM then perhaps to the Smarks thats not a bad thing, but a good thing, since its a Newer Younger, No Talented Hoss that will take a declining Taker's place.

[Guest Rob Edwards]

I feel sorry for Rock...

 

WMXIII-Beat Fatass cousin via DQ and Daddy stole the show from him...

 

WMXVI-Got his ass handed to him at the hands of Shammy but decision was reveresed but his "leader" turned on him...

 

WMXV-Lost Main event...

 

WM2000-Lost 4 way main event...

 

WMX7-Lost main event

 

WMX8-OK...Had some match with some guy...Hardly anyone can remember it at all though...

 

has anyone jobbed so many Main events?

I feel more sorry for the guys who spend all day politicking to avoid jobs and still don't make half the money or get half as over as Rock does with his attitude towards them

 

Theres a lesson there somewhere

[Guest Choken One]

huh? Was that a ROCK diss?

[Guest treble charged]

I think he means that Rock is insanely over, yet you never hear too many stories of him playing backstage politics games.

[Guest Rob Edwards]

No I just meant that if people job when it makes sense it means better business for all, which is why Rock's runs at the top have been more profitable and thus made more money for Rock personally

[Guest Choken One]

Well...Yeah, That is true...Except for the Whole Goldberg thing...but I think we can allow him at least ONE shot of political champagining...

[Guest Nanks]

Well, the rumour goes that he's told Goldberg he'll job to him if he comes in, so that's hardly what you'd call politicking. I'd look at it more as Rock trying to bring in another big US name to WWE so there's another "main eventer" there for when he leaves again.

As for Taker politicking his way to squashing any debuting WCW stars, wasn't that somewhat of a trend that went beyond Taker?? No chance that had nothing to do with him and was all Vince displaying the superiority of "his" superstars?

Taker should be allowed to keep his WM streak, there's gotta be some kind of reward for sticking with the company that long, no one else has.

[Guest AndrewTS]

I'd look at it more as Rock trying to bring in another big US name to WWE so there's another "main eventer" there for when he leaves again.

 

Bullshit. Brock--er, Goldberg is going to be brought in for a couple of matches tops, and he won't even work with midcarders let alone do house shows.

 

I also have this crazy idea. Rather than bring in old WCW main eventers who suck now more than ever and have little to no name value left, why not MAKE STARS OUT OF THEIR CURRENT UPPER MIDCARDERS?!

 

Oh yeah, that's right--Albert and Jones will be our new stars. Whoopie.

[Guest ManKinnd]

It still makes me laugh to see people defending the likes of Albert and Taker. Albert seems to be "good for a big man" to some posters, gathered from a ** match he had with Kane a few years ago. Taker's loyalty deserves to be rewarded, fine, but when it comes to killing absolutely anything that comes near him, be rookie or veteran, it's never good for business.

[Guest Brian]

It's definately politicking. The original plan was to bring Goldberg in for two matches against the Rock, Mania and BackLash. Trade wins, Rock goes back to Hollywood, Goldberg leaves.

[Guest JMA]

I'd rather see Taker vs. A-Train than Taker vs. Jones. Jones shouldn't even be hired--he's a bodybuilder, not a wrestler! And if they are so hell-bent on hiring him he should sweat in OVW for two years. A-Train was a guy brought in as a piercing artist with the name of a pierced dick. When he became a part of Tits N' Ass he was simply called "Albert." Which is a stupid name for a wrestler if you think about it. I much prefer the name "A-Train."

 

/rant

[Guest Choken One]

A-Train is an horrible name but your right ANYTHING is better then Albert.

 

I am willing to put A-Train in this spot over Jones because He has at least been pushed for the last 5 months and has an good spokesmen behind him in Paul Heyman and besides...I STILL think if they gave him a better name and took away all the piercings and shaved his back...He could be a SOLID heel hoss... Atrain isn't an Liability to the wrestlers like Nathan Jones is...

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

A-Train is a bad wrestler, but he's still a wrestler. Nathan Jones is not. I would rather face A-Train too. At least with him you won't end up in the hospital afterwards.

[Guest My Eyebrow is on fire]

Yeah, Awesome was so good that he's just popping up all over the place now that he's not with WWE.

DDP was in his 40s when he go to WWE, hardly young talent.

That was not Kanyon's "big return", he's still working OVW, waiting for a role. Do you think Taker asked them to send him in so he could hit him with a chair?? Pfft.

Spanky was hardly out there to look strong riding a little bike and singing was he? Would it have made the slightest bit of sense for the singing telegram to beat him up?!?

In what possible way has Taker "held down" either of the Hardyz?? Don't say the Jeff v Taker feud, that made Jeff look like a nutter. It was good for him.

You're absolutely right. I pondered all your rhetorical questions and now realize that the Undertaker

 

1) Puts over new talent all the time.

2) Does not no sell all offense from up and coming stars and make them look weak.

3) Does draw tons of buys for each pay per view.

4) Leads tremendously in the locker room by cutting his hair when told to do so, as all wrestlers need to learn by EXAMPLE.

5) Did not totally piss on the legacies of the 2 greatest horsemen of all times last wrestlemania (the only show of the year where it is EXPECTED the faces go over ) by no selling their finishers. He did not win a totally 1-sided feud and kill Flair's drawing power once and for all.

6) He puts on EXCITING matches and deserves 45 minutes of TV time per week.

7) His promos are filled with charisma only rivaled by Hogan himself.

[Guest Redhawk]

It isn't that impressive in the real world, but look at the streak in WWE Reality (the only world that matters to them)...

 

Snuka, King Kong Bundy and Ric Flair are all WWE "Hall of Famers" (do they even HAVE a Hall of Fame?). Even though they were old at that point, no one is really ever too old in WWE Reality. And he also beat three guys with three distinct styles. Snuka was the high flyer, Bundy the powerhouse, and Flair the technical genius.

 

Jake Roberts was the Cerebral Assassin of his time, and in WWE Reality wasn't over the hill at all when they fought. Plus, Taker was a youngster taking out a seasoned veteran.

 

Giant Gonzales, Diesel and Sid were all "monsters," who up until they met Taker were probably booked to be undefeated or at least damn near unbeatable. Same thing with Kane, plus Kane had all that rage against Taker. All four of those matches allowed them to do the "I've never seen anybody physically dominate the Undertaker like this" thing.

 

Bossman was...well...a very mean man.

 

HHH is God.

 

So if you look at the streak through WWE glasses, Taker is The Man. Pluys, five of those guys are former WWE champions. This match with A-Train will be another Sid/Diesel/Bundy type match, where they can do the physical domination thing.

[Guest Army Eye]

I feel sorry for Rock...

 

WMXIII-Beat Fatass cousin via DQ and Daddy stole the show from him...

 

WMXVI-Got his ass handed to him at the hands of Shammy but decision was reveresed but his "leader" turned on him...

 

WMXV-Lost Main event...

 

WM2000-Lost 4 way main event...

 

WMX7-Lost main event

 

WMX8-OK...Had some match with some guy...Hardly anyone can remember it at all though...

 

has anyone jobbed so many Main events?

Eh, I don't feel sorry for him. He's probably about 200-5 on all other PPVs. He has more WWF world titles than anyone in history.

[Guest Trivia247]

"The Undertaker actually requested a feud with A-Train several weeks ago and was granted it. 'Taker has always been known backstage as a lockeroom leader and see's potential in a superstar like A-Train."

 

so says Prowrestlingscoop.com which probably recycled it from the Torch or someplace.

[Guest Polish_Rifle]

I can't believe that they are even considering to have Albert wrestle singles in Wrestlemania.

 

Wake up! It's Albert!!! Fire him already.