College professors

[Guest Vern Gagne]

Is it that bad. Are all professors former draft dodging 60's protesting cowards. My brother said in order to get good grades your papers had to agree with what the teacher said.

[Guest J*ingus]

Depends completely on the individual person.  I've had everything from greedy right-wing imperialists and leftist New Age daydreamers, to paranoid homophobes and flaming fags, to men and women, to young and old, to respectful of your opinion and those that blatantly consider themselves Always Right. Teachers are people just like us, and they're all different just like us.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

Depends completely on the individual person.  I've had everything from greedy right-wing imperialists and leftist New Age daydreamers, to paranoid homophobes and flaming fags, to men and women, to young and old, to respectful of your opinion and those that blatantly consider themselves Always Right. Teachers are people just like us, and they're all different just like us.

 

 

 

Well, I was a Republican Political Science major (okay, I was THE Republican Poli. Sci. major) and my professors ran the gamut from neo-Stalinist leftists to neo-Leninist leftists. :-)

 

There really were no conservative professors in any of my classes---but you learn to deal with it. It can be fun to rip on their basic assumptions---even if it kills your grades.

 

Lord knows nothing is more fun than pissing off a Women's Studies professor (darned requirements) by claiming that NOW is little more than a collection of political hacks.

                            -=Mike

 

...And to answer the next question, you can do nothing with a poli. sci degree. Waiting tables with a BA is just a sad, sad state of affairs.

[Guest teke184]

It depends upon your major and school.  

 

I'm a business major with a history minor attending a large university in Mississippi which has a colorful history (and it's NOT Ole Miss).  

 

The faculty of the history department is a bit of a mix, as there are some very liberal teachers as well as a few ultra-conservative ones left over from the days of segregation.  However, I've found that both sides tend to be fair as long as you can reason your arguments well.

 

Other departments and majors will vary from college to college, but it's pretty much a given that the business school at any university or college will be fairly conservative while any department with "arts" in the title will tend to be liberal.

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

Having a Journalism degree to my name, I can safely say that most profs in this department are left-wing wackos. It's amazing how academia stresses diversity of every type, except that of more moderate-conservative faculty.

 

While I've heard business-type profs aren't nearly as extreme, the number of liberal profs is probably similar in representation to the number of journalists who vote Democratic.

 

BTW: Mike, having pissed off more than my fair share of teachers, I can say that my job opportunites after school have not been aided by the people whose salaries I paid for w/ my student loans. Note to all college students sick of their left-wing profs. If you want to get ahead, nod your head and kiss @ss. If not, you're going to end up like me...

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

I'm a mathematics major, and the only thing are department has is good mathematicians. About the only biases you will find is preferences in notation, and even there none of them will really make it an issue if you prefer a different symbolism.

 

But to expand on Mike's women's studies comment, there is a pretty big women's studies program here and many of us regard it as a joke (in terms of being a subject worthy of studying). One of the funniest, yet saddest things I've ever heard, is that as a gag, two physics professors wrote a paper called "a critique of the quantum theory from the feminist perspective" and a women's studies journal actually published it! Of course, the professors exposed how it was a joke and what garbage all the stuff they had written was.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

I'm a mathematics major, and the only thing are department has is good mathematicians. About the only biases you will find is preferences in notation, and even there none of them will really make it an issue if you prefer a different symbolism.

 

 

 

Lucky for you. I won't say that I didn't have excellent professors (Dr. Herzstein is a well-known expert on Nazi Germany---though his f'n mid-term was impossible. "Trace the rise of the National Socialist Party from 1923-1931" in only 50 minutes---then he nails you for being "too vague"? AARRGGH! Sorry, bad undergrad memories), but they were, by and large, left of center.

 

 

But to expand on Mike's women's studies comment, there is a pretty big women's studies program here and many of us regard it as a joke (in terms of being a subject worthy of studying). One of the funniest, yet saddest things I've ever heard, is that as a gag, two physics professors wrote a paper called "a critique of the quantum theory from the feminist perspective" and a women's studies journal actually published it! Of course, the professors exposed how it was a joke and what garbage all the stuff they had written was.

 

 

 

Something similar happened to some very well-respected journal where some scientists of some sort wrote a column that actually meant nothing and had nothing but meaningless drivel that was printed and praised before they announced it was a joke.

 

It's time that we realize that Women's and African-American studies have no place as serious educational disciplines. Especially when you consider that the main students in those fields are women and blacks, respectively. It'd be like me studying Southern, sarcastic, wrestling fans as a serious academic discipline.

 

After all, how bad does a woman have to be to fail women's studies?

                 -=Mike

[Guest teke184]

IMHO, most of this Women's studies, Black/Afro-American/African American studies, American studies, etc. is bullshit.  I don't mind people taking classes in these subjects because it beats someone taking a couple hours of HPR (physical education) classes just to make a certain GPA or to pass a certain number of hours.  

 

However, it is COMPLETELY bullshit as a major.  For one thing, I doubt you learn much.  For another thing, it will either perpetuate stereotypes or make you look as if you're too stupid to pass a real major.  ("Ah, yes, I see you graduated with honors in a Women's Studies program...  Does that mean you'll be hooking up with Mickey The Dyke, our resident lesbian?")[/sarcasm]

 

Getting back to the subject of political bias in college professors, it will depend on your field.  If you're in math, there's only so many ways that you can do a math problem and have it come out right.  In a political science class, a devout man-hating lesbian teaching the class can decide to push her belief that men should be kept in cages for the purposes of artificial insemination and have it be seen as legitimate because there is almost no "right" or "wrong" in the field of political science.

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

Two points:

 

1) Years ago I remember reading about some bitch teaching a women-only women's studies class somewhere in Boston (?), and male students said that was discrimination. After these guys finally won the right to attend the c*nt packed up and left, or took some extended sabbatical.

 

2) I had a Sociology class years ago and toward the end of the semester when I was assured of an A grade I tried an experiment. I didn't study for the final test but instead answered each question with the worst possible scenario. For example:

 

Women and minorities are...

 

A) Enjoying good success in the workplace

B) Aren’t quite equal to old white males, but making progress

C) Being oppressed more harshly than at any time in history, all thanks to Ronald Reagan

 

The answer, of course, would be C.

 

I got a mid-B on the test.

[Guest teke184]

... you've GOT to be shitting me.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

That's why sciences rule. There are no sexes in number theory, although I guess you would have some if you learnt mathematics in French, since in French grammar all objects are assigned a sex as "the" has a male form "le" and a female form "la" (although this is done in essentially an arbitrary way based mostly on which sounds better phonetically).

[Guest TheMikeSC]

Two points:

 

1) Years ago I remember reading about some bitch teaching a women-only women's studies class somewhere in Boston (?), and male students said that was discrimination. After these guys finally won the right to attend the c*nt packed up and left, or took some extended sabbatical.

 

 

 

I heard that story.

 

Addendum to the story---she STILL teaches at the school.

 

I still remember by Women's Studies prof saying that the main reason men marry women with daughters is so they can molest their daughters.

 

She then yelled at me when I started laughing loudly (intentionally) at her comment.

 

 

2) I had a Sociology class years ago and toward the end of the semester when I was assured of an A grade I tried an experiment. I didn't study for the final test but instead answered each question with the worst possible scenario. For example:

 

Women and minorities are...

 

A) Enjoying good success in the workplace

B) Aren’t quite equal to old white males, but making progress

C) Being oppressed more harshly than at any time in history, all thanks to Ronald Reagan

 

The answer, of course, would be C.

 

I got a mid-B on the test.

 

 

 

Sounds about right.

 

It's time for friggin' universities to hire professors who will occasionally state that the U.S is not this never-ending scourge on the world.

                               -=Mike

 

...Who is now waiting for the homeless to make a huge comeback

[Guest J*ingus]

Personally, I don't mind Women's Studies at all.  The fact is that women are still nowhere near equal to men in many cultural ways, and the various studies of men's & women's salaries at equal levels confirm that.  

 

BUT, there are people who take those issues and then proceed to see the entire universe through them, and look at any situation as "how are women being screwed over here?"  For example, yes, I'm sure there have been far too many instances where stepfathers have molested their daughters.  That's a truth.  But to take that too far, and to claim that ALL potential stepfathers want to do that, is a sign that the claimer is a paranoid, fearful person who's probably been hurt in the past and never got over it themselves.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

Personally, I don't mind Women's Studies at all.  The fact is that women are still nowhere near equal to men in many cultural ways, and the various studies of men's & women's salaries at equal levels confirm that.  

 

 

 

The studies don't really confirm anything. Most of them ignore such things as women taking time off for children, women not actively pursuing the top positions due to problem with their family/personal life, women being involved mainly in the lesser-paying liberal arts fields.

 

One needs to recognize that there are reasons why men and women aren't paid "equally" and one can usually trace it to those three reasons.

                         -=Mike

 

...We also need to recognize that groups like NOW and the NAACP will eventually target little things when the big battles are won to justify their existence.

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

"Addendum to the story---she STILL teaches at the school."

 

Then how did she get out of having guys in her class? Did she just cancel the class? I don't remember.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

"Addendum to the story---she STILL teaches at the school."

 

Then how did she get out of having guys in her class? Did she just cancel the class? I don't remember.

 

 

She resigned briefly, but I remember reading her being in trouble for something similar last year.

                                    -=Mike

 

...Should we even mention the treatment of Christina Hoff Sommers by liberal academia?

[Guest Some Guy]

Jingus I suggest you check out Thomas Sowell's book, "The Vision of the Annointed."  In it he points out that women generally work i different fields, like social sciences and education, while men tend to work in business and real sciences, which are far higher paying.  Women who work the same jobs as men tend to be paid slightly less.  Women in this country really don't have it any where close to as bad as feminists would like you to believe.  Take a look at the Mid-East and compare their treatment of women to America's.  We never treated women quite that poorly.  America has a long history of making mistakes, but the history of correcting those mistakes is just as long.  The problem you can't flip a switch and make someone loves minorities or treat women better, you have to socialize your society to it.  This takes a few generations, at least to change.

[Guest Some Guy]

Oh yeah all of my professors are way to left.  Some are insanly leftist while others at least realize that there might be another way.

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

Shoot, I almost forgot about this one:

 

In my public speaking class (an easy A grade if there ever was one), my left-wing prof was going over some lesson and kept referring to the Contract with America as the Contract on America. This was in early '95, so all that talk about government actually becoming smaller was still in the air. Anyway, each time she said that I would raise my arm in the air and correct her on the incorrect phrase.

 

The fourth or fifth time this happened, she made some remark to me and I responded by saying that I was simply correcting her error and replied that all good public speakers need to be accurate in what they call the items being talked about. She flipped out and the rest, as they say, was history.

 

After class, I had 5-7 people, mostly the older women in that class, who said that they were glad I made an @ss of the prof. Ahh, the good old college days...

[Guest DrTom]

I noticed that my most liberal professors were in Sociology, Psychology, Journalism, and a few other assorted English classes (I was an English major).  No surprises there, really.  Sociology is basically the Left bitching for the Great Society being such a sham, psychology is generally full of manure, and the vast majority of journalists are liberals.  Interestingly enough, my two PoliSci professors were both rather moderate, maybe even a little right-leaning.

 

My grades never suffered for the philosophical differences I had with my professors, though.  I've heard of cases where things like that have happened, and while I don't doubt there's some veracity there, I think a lot of it is propagated by students who did poorly in the class for other, more conventional reasons.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

I noticed that my most liberal professors were in Sociology, Psychology, Journalism, and a few other assorted English classes (I was an English major).  No surprises there, really.  Sociology is basically the Left bitching for the Great Society being such a sham, psychology is generally full of manure, and the vast majority of journalists are liberals.  Interestingly enough, my two PoliSci professors were both rather moderate, maybe even a little right-leaning.

 

 

Wow, lucky you. I found the International Studies crowd tended to less left-leaning than the Poli. Sci. group (then again, my int'l classes deat with China and Japan and not the 3rd world). Sociology and Psychology are an intellectual wasteland. My poli. sci. profs were all vigorously left-wing (Reagan was an idiot. Reagan let his handlers run everything. Ya da. Ya da.)

 

 

My grades never suffered for the philosophical differences I had with my professors, though.  I've heard of cases where things like that have happened, and while I don't doubt there's some veracity there, I think a lot of it is propagated by students who did poorly in the class for other, more conventional reasons. >>

 

 

Well, I've been nailed by professors because my views don't agree with theirs (the women's studies prof definitely didn't much care for me and if I knew all of the exams were essay exams early on, I would've never uttered a word in that class). I had a friend who had one professor accuse him of plagarizing on one of his long research papers, even though he credited EVERYTHING he used in detail (I know because I proofed it for him), largely because the prof was a big supporter of the State Democratic Party while my friend was an employee of the Buchanan for President campaign.

 

Heck, the most dramatic example of this was in a theater class. I was sailing through that class with an "A"---but since the prof didn't allow people to exempt, I had to take the final.

 

The final was an essay question dealing with theater's impact on popular culture.

 

I simply explained that theater's impact is negligible since so few people actually GO to the theater to watch the shows. Theater is a reflection of society---it's not a driving influence for change.

 

I got my only "D" in that class for that exam. Grade dropped to a "B" because of it.

                                   -=Mike

 

...Prof said he was "disappointed" with my answer

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

In my journalism department, my bitch of an advisor was, (or should I say “is”?) a left-wing extremist. Although my grades didn’t “suffer” it was strange that she was the only journalism teacher I had that I didn’t get an A in any of her classes. She worked part-time at a local paper and I had the misfortune of ragging the publication regarding coverage of a certain story. She also accused me of making up quotes, which was a lie, in one story I wrote. But I’m not writing this post to talk about me…

 

My friend, who I’m convinced is a lovechild of Rush Limbaugh and Howard Stern, had a summer-internship-for-credit experience, and ended up with a B. He was the lone communications intern for a major worldwide corporation whose marketing department consisted of 2 people. He spent 40 hours a week busting his ass and ended up with a B by said advisor bitch.

 

He learned shortly thereafter that just about every other person that did this exercise ended up with an A, and a lot of these other internships were a joke, mostly consisting of sitting in some office drinking coffee and making copies. My friend, who has less tact than I, once he found out about this double standard, went to my advisor’s office, laid out ALL the materials he worked on that summer (and it was quite a lot) and asked how he ended up with a B while other people who were lucky to sign their name to a company press release got As. He never got an answer.

 

Interestingly enough, I read his 10-page paper detailing his internship experience, and I couldn’t help but notice all the snide, anti-corporate comments made by that c*nt regarding the company where my friend had his internship. If there’s any justice in the world, will die a slow, painful death from some disease.

 

Was there bias? I report, you decide. I can provide some more examples anytime, anyplace.