Starcade 1998 was the begining of the end...

[Guest Downhome]

My theory on WCW, like you even asked, is that the moment that Kevin Nash pinned Goldberg at Starcade, WCW went down for the fall as well. After that PPV, the WCW title picture went straight to hell...

 

1) Hulk Hogan

Kevin Nash

Atlanta, GA

January 4, 1999

 

2) Ric Flair

Hulk Hogan

Louisville, KY

March 14, 1999

 

3) Dallas Page

Ric Flair

Tacoma, WA

April 11, 1999

 

4) Sting

Dallas Page

Fargo, ND

April 26, 1999

 

5) Dallas Page

Sting

Fargo, ND

April 26, 1999

 

6) Kevin Nash

Dallas Page

St. Louis, MO

May 9, 1999

 

7) Randy Savage

Kevin Nash

Fort Lauderdale, FL

July 11, 1999

 

8) Hulk Hogan

Randy Savage

Jacksonville, FL

July 12, 1999

 

9) Sting

Hulk Hogan

Winston-Salem, NC

September 12, 1999

 

10) Bret Hart

Chris Benoit

Toronto, Canada

November 21, 1999

 

11) Bret Hart

Bill Goldberg

Baltimore, MD

December 20, 1999

 

12) Chris Benoit

Sid Vicious

Cincinnatti, OH

January 16, 2000

 

13) Sid Vicious

Kevin Nash

Los Angeles, CA

January 24, 2000

 

14) Kevin Nash

Sid Vicious

Las Vegas, NV

January 26, 2000

 

15) Sid Vicious

Kevin Nash

Las Vegas, NV

January 26, 2000

 

16) Jeff Jarrett

Dallas Page

Chicago, IL

April 16, 2000

 

17) Dallas Page

Jeff Jarrett

Rochester, NY

April 24, 2000

 

18) David Arquette

Dallas Page

Syracuse, NY

April 26, 2000

 

19) Jeff Jarrett

David Arquette

Kansas City, MO

May 7, 2000

 

20) Ric Flair

Jeff Jarrett

Biloxi, MS

May 15, 2000

 

21) Jeff Jarrett

Kevin Nash

Grand Rapids, MI

May 22, 2000

 

22) Kevin Nash

Jeff Jarrett

Saginaw, MI

May 23, 2000

 

23) Ric Flair

Kevin Nash

Salt Lake City, UT

May 29, 2000

 

24) Jeff Jarrett

Ric Flair

Salt Lake City, UT

May 29, 2000

 

25) Hulk Hogan

Jeff Jarrett

Daytona Beach, FL

July 9, 2000

 

26) Booker T

Jeff Jarrett

Daytona Beach, FL

July 9, 2000

 

27) Kevin Nash

Booker T

Las Cruces, NM

August 28, 2000

 

28) Booker T

Kevin Nash

Buffalo, NY

September 17, 2000

 

29) Vince Russo

Booker T

Uniondale, NY

September 25, 2000

 

30) Booker T

Jeff Jarrett

San Francisco, CA

October 2, 2000

 

31) Scott Steiner

Booker T

Milwaukee, WI

November 26, 2000

 

32) Booker T

Scott Steiner

Panama City, FL

March 26, 2001

 

...now I don't know about you, but I think my theory can stand on it's own two feet. From 1991-1998, the year Goldberg was the champion and lost it, the title only changed hands 22 times. However, from just 1998-2001, it changed hands a stagering 32 times. In 1999 it changed hands 11 times, and in 2000 it changed hands 20 mother fucking times. To break it down even FURTHER, from just January 16, 2000-January 26, 2000 it changed hands four times! From April 16, 2000-April 26, 2000 it changed hands three times, and from May 7, 2000-July 9, 2000, it changed hands eight times!

 

This all started at Starcade 1998, along with the PPV buy rates going to hell right after Nash pinned Goldberg. Have any of you taken a look at these stats? They are mind blowing really, and when you look back on WCW even statisticly (not just by going by angles, pushes, who was held down, etc...), you can even understand why it's no longer in business.

 

Sincerely,

...Downhome...

[Guest converge241]

yes the title , and WCW future's fall were set with this snowball

 

WCW as an entity may have been intitially hurt more by the wackiness of Starrcade 97 though that should have been the blowoff to NWO

 

another factor was Goldberg - Hogan on Nitro for free that was a huge indicator that their business acumen went out the window

[Guest bob_barron]

I think Bret vacated the belt the night after Starrcade and won it back

[Guest Youth N Asia]

I stopped becoming a Goldberg fan before this...but killing him off to Nash was the worst thing they could've done at that point.

 

WCW still might be around if they didn't fuck themselves off there...cause that's just about the time WWF was winning the ratings again.

 

20 world title changes in 2000...does anyone else just find that funny? I mean look at this string and how close the dates are...tell me that they though this was the right way to do business. I mean Jarrett won the belt 4 times in the course of just a little over a month!

 

16) Jeff Jarrett

Dallas Page

Chicago, IL

April 16, 2000

 

17) Dallas Page

Jeff Jarrett

Rochester, NY

April 24, 2000

 

18) David Arquette

Dallas Page

Syracuse, NY

April 26, 2000

 

19) Jeff Jarrett

David Arquette

Kansas City, MO

May 7, 2000

 

20) Ric Flair

Jeff Jarrett

Biloxi, MS

May 15, 2000

 

21) Jeff Jarrett

Kevin Nash

Grand Rapids, MI

May 22, 2000

 

22) Kevin Nash

Jeff Jarrett

Saginaw, MI

May 23, 2000

 

23) Ric Flair

Kevin Nash

Salt Lake City, UT

May 29, 2000

[Guest JHawk]

Bobby Heenan said it best in his RF Video shoot interview: "Whoever thought of Goldberg losing, that was bad. Whoever OK'd it...that's what killed WCW."

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Nah, the whole sting/hogan debacle at Starrcade 97 did it (oddly enough, it's like 1 1/2 years removed from their downfall). They carried on the NWO storyline WAY too long and they didn't create new stars. Simply put, they screwed their fans then and they never stopped doing it.

[Guest Downhome]

Bobby Heenan said it best in his RF Video shoot interview: "Whoever thought of Goldberg losing, that was bad. Whoever OK'd it...that's what killed WCW."

I've always said he is one of the smartest men in the history of this industry. Great minds think alike I suppose, heh. As for Hogan/Sting...

 

...yes, that blown feud was a part of the downfall of WCW, as was many things like the wrong people hold the tile, not pushing young talent soon enough, and so many title changes in the last two years of the company. Starcade '98 though was the moment that millions of fans just decided that they wouldn't take it anymore. Starcade '98 was the last PPV in WCW HISTORY, that pulled in a buyrate over 1.0. To be more exact, after Starcade '98, the highest any WCW PPV drew was a 0.73, and that was at Uncensored '99 which was headlined by Ric Flair vs. Hulk Hogan for the WCW World title, and Scott Steiner vs. Booker T. Between Starcade '98 and this PPV, the highest buyrate was a 0.25. The following two Starcades pulled in a 0.32 both in '99 and in '00. Did you hear what I said!? The biggest show of the year for WCW, STARCADE (WCW's Wrestlemania), pulled in a fucking 0.32 IN '99 AND '00!

 

If you care, in between those two Starcades, the highest PPV buyrate was Mayhem '00 which pulled in a 0.45. Now you may ask just who headlined that show, and the answer...

 

...the Caged Heat Match: Scott Steiner over WCW Champion Booker T to win the title.

 

On a side note, WCW was so unpopular durring it's dying days, that they had TWO PPV's to pull in only a 0.10. Those being SuperBrawl '00 (headlined by Ric Flair/Terry Funk, Hulk Hogan/Lex Luger, and the Triple Threat match between Sid Vicious/Scott Hall/Jeff Jarrett) and the last PPV in WCW history Greed '01 (headlined by Booker T/Rick Steiner, Dusty Rhodes & Dustin Rhodes/Ric Flair & Jeff Jarrett, and Scott Steiner/DDP).

[Guest converge241]

"I think Bret vacated the belt the night after Starrcade and won it back "

 

yes he did the "i didnt want any help/im giving up the title" just so he could win it again and reveal his shadiness the next night

*shudders at remembering so many bad starcades in one day *

 

 

flair should have done this to sting 100 times so he could add multiple title reigns to his resume

 

LOL

 

"Sting, last night i didnt mean it when i robbed you of the title..let me vacate it and we will fight fair and square again..WHOOO come on Sting, do it for all these little stingers!"

 

*repeat ad naseum*

[Guest tank_abbott]

Russo supposedly wanted Jarret to become a 17 time World Champ as quickly as possible, so that Jarrett and Flair could fued over who was the greatest

 

*According to www.bullshitinternetreporters.com*

[Guest TheGame2705]

Halloween Havoc 98 and WW3 were just as bad. HH 98 I don't believe had one good match besides the opening contest which wasn't booked well either. WW3 was HORRIBLE. Starrcade 98 was just the dessert.

[Guest bob_barron]

Havoc 98 has Goldberg's best match ever apparently.

 

But yea- WW3 sucks ass

[Guest razazteca]

Havoc 98 has Goldberg's best match ever apparently.

 

But yea- WW3 sucks ass

Goldberg vs Hall in the ladder match with the taser is a CLASSIC.

[Guest bob_barron]

Havoc 98 has Goldberg's best match ever apparently.

 

But yea- WW3 sucks ass

Goldberg vs Hall in the ladder match with the taser is a CLASSIC.

That was from Souled Out 99

[Guest converge241]

WW3 could have been so much better if they pushed more mini storylines in it (ala Rumble)

 

the only time really was the second one

 

DDP - Goldberg was easily Berg's best match

(what PPV did DDP-Goldberg II happen on? or was it Nitro?)

the taser after he lost the belt is a'yight

[Guest Your Olympic Hero]

WW3 could have been so much better if they pushed more mini storylines in it (ala Rumble)

 

the only time really was the second one

 

DDP - Goldberg was easily Berg's best match

(what PPV did DDP-Goldberg II happen on? or was it Nitro?)

the taser after he lost the belt is a'yight

I'm pretty sure it was on PPV after Page's heel turn during the triple threat angle with him, Kanyon, and Bigelow.