Guest razazteca Report post Posted March 5, 2003 With all of these injuries of the stars of the WWE starting to happen just about every week now, who is to blame for this? Is the WWE style that demanding that a freak accident or just being unexperience can put a star out of work for months or even a year. Should the trainers of the WWE be blamed for not conditioning the wrestlers to work on the problem areas like the neck or legs in order to prevent serious injuries. Is the WWE pushing the rookies and young wrestlers from the indies too hard to be on tv before they are ready? How has OVW prepared the new up and comers for the WWE and why is it that the guys on Raw got injured and will be out for awhile but on Smackdown Brock and Cena seem to be in better shape? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Psycho Diablo Report post Posted March 5, 2003 It's the fact some guys are literally carrying the company on their back.. (SD6, anyone?) ..while others don't do anything (actual move-wise) that'd get them anything CLOSE to hurt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaYourCar 0 Report post Posted March 5, 2003 It almost seems that before they started regulating/banning certain moves that less injuries happened. It might be the use of more "green" wrestlers and how they've conditioned their wrestlers to walk on egg shells when it comes to certain moves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Redhawk Report post Posted March 5, 2003 I'd say it's just bad luck. If you've got 30-40 guys throwing each other around multiple times a week, there are going to be injuries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 5, 2003 Guys like Angle and Edge, I FIRMLY, FIRMLY blame Vince McMahon. They were carrying the company on their backs, and as SOON as they said "My neck is bothering me a little, but I'll work through it doing pointless shows that no one will ever see..." Vince should have stepped up RIGHT THERE and said "Fuck no, you're taking time off, no matter what you say." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Eagan469 Report post Posted March 5, 2003 exactly - it's not like the wrestler's don't know ahead of time if they'll be involved in a risky move if anything blame the execution of the moves - Tough Enough has brought me to see that some wrestlers have sound fundamentals while others are just lazy fucks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lightning Flik Report post Posted March 5, 2003 (edited) Guys like Angle and Edge, I FIRMLY, FIRMLY blame Vince McMahon. They were carrying the company on their backs, and as SOON as they said "My neck is bothering me a little, but I'll work through it doing pointless shows that no one will ever see..." Vince should have stepped up RIGHT THERE and said "Fuck no, you're taking time off, no matter what you say." Very good logic, but not WWE logic. Think the WWE may have to instate a policy of monthly checkups or something? Might be an idea to think about. Edited March 5, 2003 by Lightning Flik Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NoSelfWorth Report post Posted March 5, 2003 It's the physical style that's to blame. The bar has been raised so high in regards to what the wrestlers have to do to get the crowd jumping, that injuries are far more likely now than ever before. Remember how broken down some of the old stars of the 60's, 70's and 80's are, and the style today is a lot more taxing on the body than it was back then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest razazteca Report post Posted March 5, 2003 I think the training methods is the major reason for the injuries as more focus is put on acting ablities than actual proper bumping technique. And the Hardys, Edge, Christian, Dudleys had too many TLC matches. Especially Jeff who seemed to have 7 Ladder matches just in 2002, like every week on Raw he would lose to somebody like RVD or Undertaker. Also he never really changed his wrestling style even though it is appereant that he lost a few steps from the glory days of 2000. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest IB2BLACK Report post Posted March 5, 2003 Why blame someone? Just blame fate or simple bad luck. Shit happens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CoreyLazarus416 Report post Posted March 5, 2003 I can look at three things that have definitely contributed: 1. The limiting of certain moves. When a worker knows he can go all-out, they're probably not going to be OVERLY cautious about injuring somebody. Compare the WWF roster of 2000 to the current WWE roster. More maneuvers were being used in 2000, and thus the roster was just cautious enough to not cause serious injury (save for the random freak accident). Now? The limiting of moves has made it so that everybody is shitting themselves over each move. When you worry too much, something bad will happen. 2. The touring schedule. I only need to watch the announcements of house show dates to know this adds. 4 house shows in a row, each at a venue that's of a considerable distance from the last, and no extended time to rest. I don't care who you are, if you have a slightly injured knee, continued punishment with very little-to-no rest will make the knee injury worse. 3. Dependance, perhaps, more on big moves to get the match over than on developing a sound reason for the moves to be used. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest razazteca Report post Posted March 5, 2003 Why blame someone? Just blame fate or simple bad luck. Shit happens. The serious injuries are happening too often Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest j.o.b. squad Report post Posted March 5, 2003 i say the ptc hired gypsys to curse the wwe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted March 5, 2003 In Angle's case, don't forget that he's had previous neck injuries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Raven_Effect01 Report post Posted March 5, 2003 I think I read from some other post that Lesnar tried to break out of a scissored sleeper from Angle at No Way Out in the 3 on 2 match and dropped him on his head hard, which is probably when the problem started and then in South Africa, Angle further injured it and is now out for a year. Edit: In Angle's case, don't forget that he's had previous neck injuries. Oh, and that too, obviously, can be considered a case for Angle's recent neck injury. As for the other injuries, most of you have very good possible reasons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JHawk Report post Posted March 5, 2003 2. The touring schedule. I only need to watch the announcements of house show dates to know this adds. 4 house shows in a row, each at a venue that's of a considerable distance from the last, and no extended time to rest. I don't care who you are, if you have a slightly injured knee, continued punishment with very little-to-no rest will make the knee injury worse. I can see the point, but in the mid-80s, guys were working 14 days or more in a row, with double shots on Sundays, and you never had an injury streak like this. I don't know if there's one particular problem that you can point out, but the bottom line is this is getting way too bad for it to simply be bad luck or karma or something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest IB2BLACK Report post Posted March 5, 2003 What about banning German suplexes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jobber of the Week Report post Posted March 5, 2003 What about banning German suplexes? Yeah, because Batista was taking SO many german suplexes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted March 5, 2003 You rarely hear about guys in Japan getting major neck injuries and they take alot more head and neck bumps than WWe wrestles. Maybe Vince needs to ask them what to do. Or he could ask RVD. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaYourCar 0 Report post Posted March 5, 2003 How does RVD take some of the sick bumps he does and not get injured? Or atleast not seriously injured. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted March 5, 2003 I think it has to do with conditioning and exercising your neck. Also RVD keeps his body more flexible than most guys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest razazteca Report post Posted March 5, 2003 You rarely hear about guys in Japan getting major neck injuries and they take alot more head and neck bumps than WWe wrestles. Maybe Vince needs to ask them what to do. Or he could ask RVD. I think the Japanese Dojos look at the cry baby from Tough Enough and just die laughing at the unwillingness to get a proper beat down Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted March 5, 2003 Yeah, none of the Japanese guys are wrecked because of their style... Oh no... It's the style and the schedule. The Style (making 9 German Suplexes mean nothing) hurts the wrestlers, and the schedule doesn't allow them to heal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest razazteca Report post Posted March 5, 2003 RVD was trained by the Orginal Sheik and Sabu so I am sure they taught him more than just how to do a dropkick. Its all about the conditioning, flexablitiy, roids etc..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest IB2BLACK Report post Posted March 5, 2003 None of that stuff coul've prevented Kurt, Edge, And orton from being injured like they were. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest razazteca Report post Posted March 5, 2003 Orton is Green Kurt took too many Germans Edge was in too many gimmick matches and unlucky conditioning and flexablity could of helped Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JHawk Report post Posted March 5, 2003 None of that stuff coul've prevented Kurt, Edge, And orton from being injured like they were. It might not have helped. It couldn't have hurt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted March 5, 2003 It will catch up to RVD. They always do. And if they don't, then RVD is superman...and may god have mercy on us all... cause Superman gets high...er than a tall building in a single bound... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted March 5, 2003 Oh I didn't mean that the Japanese style doesn't destroy their bodies over time. Hell I'm sure by time they are 50 most of them are in terrible shape and much worse than the crippled up american guys. I could be wrong, but I just didn't think there's that many major neck injuries in Japan. Other than Hayabusa I can't remember hearing about many. Even if I'm wrong WWe would have to able to learn something from Japan concerning necks with all the nasty head and neck bumps they do. They must have some sort of program that makes their necks stronger and/or more flexible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted March 5, 2003 None of that stuff coul've prevented Kurt, Edge, And orton from being injured like they were. Orton messed up his ankle/foot...what's he have to do with neck injuries. Sure nothing can totally prevent an injury, but to act like none of that stuff could've helped at all is insane. Besides how would you know if any of that couldn't have prevented the injuries? Scan that Medical Doctor Degree and i'll take your word for it. Other than that you have no clue what affect that stuff could've had. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
