The Official "John Cena for Wrestlemania" Thread

[Guest Goodear]

Oh no, Cena is not that good at all. But he at least is over and has an issue with Brock already lined up. He's just the best solution right now since it can't really hurt him and it might be bad for Benoit or Rhyno to get that spot.

[Guest Plushy Al Logan]

Like I said, if Cena becomes involved in the main event I'll stop watching wrestling, and coming here. I hate his fucking gimmick!

[Kurt Angle Mark 0]

I actually want John Cena to get the title shot at Wrestlemania. IMO Benoit's next title match should be when he is finally booked to win clean, and I doubt that the WWE is going to give Brock a three week title reign. I would have Cena allign with Team Angle and turn it into an OVW feud, where the underlining story is that the four trained together and the three of them or jealous of Brock's success.

 

With Angle and Edge out for a year they have to save Benoit, Undertaker, and Rhyno to sell future PPVs.

[Guest Banky]

Like I said, if Cena becomes involved in the main event I'll stop watching wrestling, and coming here. I hate his fucking gimmick!

We all hate your posting gimmick, and if you stop watching wrestling woudl that mean you'd stop posting here?

 

Wow, even more incentive for Cena to get the spot.

[Guest Plushy Al Logan]

Like I said, if Cena becomes involved in the main event I'll stop watching wrestling, and coming here.  I hate his fucking gimmick!

We all hate your posting gimmick, and if you stop watching wrestling woudl that mean you'd stop posting here?

 

Wow, even more incentive for Cena to get the spot.

Yes, I also meant if Cena gets invovled in the match.

[Guest notJames]

Did I studder?

Stutter

I feel so dirty, the resident airhead tenny-bopper corrected my grammar. I'll make sure whenever you spell Shanny or any other of your other fucked up names incorrectly to stop the thread and correct you. Thank you.

Good thing I didn't mention that you misspelled "reiterate" in your initial post…

 

… oh fuck…

 

Seriously, I'm all for throwing Cena into the WM mix. I'd rather see Benoit get the slow build toward the championship. Besides, in a year… hell, in three months, most marks will forget that Cena was beaten by Lesnar at Mania, so it won't affect his progression into the uppercard in the slightest.

 

Boo-ya.

[Guest Austin3164life]

Cena does deserve a big push but it is way too early. I see him being a MAJOR player in the summer, around (formerly) King of the Ring time period.

[Guest BionicRedneck]

Rappers don't win World Titles or headline PPVs. Cena is a mid-card comedy act, who aint worth shit in the ring. He needs to lay of the roids, too.

[Guest Plushy Al Logan]

Rappers don't win World Titles or headline PPVs. Cena is a mid-card comedy act, who aint worth shit in the ring. He needs to lay of the roids, too.

I don't know about the roids, but the Redneck is right about this. The only good thing I can say about Cena is, that if it does happen at least it wont be Hungry Hungry Hitler facing Brock and taking both titles.

[Guest Banky]

Rappers don't win World Titles or headline PPVs. Cena is a mid-card comedy act, who aint worth shit in the ring. He needs to lay of the roids, too.

I don't know about the roids, but the Redneck is right about this. The only good thing I can say about Cena is, that if it does happen at least it wont be Hungry Hungry Hitler facing Brock and taking both titles.

Rappers don't win World Titles? What the fuck, its a character. Why can't be just be entertained instead of waxing intellectual about how certain 'characters' shouldn't be Main Eventing. He also isn't terrible in the ring. We have yet to truly see how he'd last in a longer match, so he could be capable for all we know - unless people have seen his OVW stuff.

 

Oh, and another witty Hitler/Triple H comparison - oh...how original.

[Guest Plushy Al Logan]

Oh, and another witty Hitler/Triple H comparison - oh...how original.

It was alos a Hungry Hungry Hippos joke. I agree he is a good wrestler, but I hate the gimmck.

[Guest TheGame2705]

Damn is Elvis annoying.

[Guest jessecartieri]

Yeah right, when you had HHHeat, you have HHHeat 4 life. Thus, Cena = nothing but a jobber!

[Guest Banky]

Damn is Elvis annoying.

No shit....no shit.

[Guest Banky]

Yeah right, when you had HHHeat, you have HHHeat 4 life. Thus, Cena = nothing but a jobber!

What?!

 

Who are you?

 

Don't answer that question. I don't care who you are. Your opinion means nothing, you are nothing, and even nothing considers you insignificant. No one will respond to your ridiculous posts. Why? Because you're nothing. Now go back to being nothing, because you are nothing.

[Guest Banky]

I love Scott Keith. Even he says they should shoot Cena to the top. And to think I bashed him for all these years, or the past 2. Either way, I take it back. Heck, I might even buy his book now..........or not.

[Guest Anglesault]

I don't really diasgree with that (Although I dread Brock/Cena) but "straight to the top" does not mean "put the midcarder in the most important SD! match of the biggest show of the year." Summerslam is doable.

[Guest Banky]

I don't really diasgree with that (Although I dread Brock/Cena) but "straight to the top" does not mean "put the midcarder in the most important SD! match of the biggest show of the year." Summerslam is doable.

OK Anglesault, who should face Lesnar at WM? If you say Benoit, think about if it would be fair to give him a 2 week build only to lose.

[Guest SP-1]

Know how I'd book this?

 

I'd play it up like the belt would be "Awarded" to Brock at Mania. The award ceremony comes but Brock stops Stephanie from handing him the title and says he wants to win it fairly against someone else that's earned the right to fight for it.

 

Cue Chris Benoit's music.

 

I don't give a damn who goes over. The crowd, and myself, would mark like little bitches. AND we'd get a hell of a match out of it.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Banky, you know what your suggestion reminds me of?

 

Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels at SurSer 92.

 

I think the shame of it is, if Cena had a mid-card title this case would be so much easier to make to the marks because you could play it up as Champion vs. Champion and have Heyman screw over Brock and have only Cena's belt on the line.

 

My advice: Use RVD. Have him come out on SmackDown as Heyman's revenge on Brock. Remind the fans that RVD had Brock BEAT at Vengeance. Remind the fans of RVD and Heyman's history together.

[Guest Banky]

Banky, you know what your suggestion reminds me of?

 

Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels at SurSer 92.

 

I think the shame of it is, if Cena had a mid-card title this case would be so much easier to make to the marks because you could play it up as Champion vs. Champion and have Heyman screw over Brock and have only Cena's belt on the line.

 

My advice: Use RVD. Have him come out on SmackDown as Heyman's revenge on Brock. Remind the fans that RVD had Brock BEAT at Vengeance. Remind the fans of RVD and Heyman's history together.

But Van Dam and Lesnar have already feuded unsuccesfully. Also, Van Dam has been shunted so far down the RAW card that it wouldn't look credible. That said, he is a viable option. I have always suggested Cena because the feud has already been build up. Under any other circumstances I'd never have suggested it. But yes, RVD could easily fill that spot.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Banky, you know what your suggestion reminds me of?

 

Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels at SurSer 92.

 

I think the shame of it is, if Cena had a mid-card title this case would be so much easier to make to the marks because you could play it up as Champion vs. Champion and have Heyman screw over Brock and have only Cena's belt on the line.

 

My advice: Use RVD. Have him come out on SmackDown as Heyman's revenge on Brock. Remind the fans that RVD had Brock BEAT at Vengeance. Remind the fans of RVD and Heyman's history together.

But Van Dam and Lesnar have already feuded unsuccesfully. Also, Van Dam has been shunted so far down the RAW card that it wouldn't look credible. That said, he is a viable option. I have always suggested Cena because the feud has already been build up. Under any other circumstances I'd never have suggested it. But yes, RVD could easily fill that spot.

As you have pointed out, these are hardly ideal circumstances.

 

However, RVD has history with the major players in the Heyman/Lesnar feud, he has been shunted but at least he's HAD a run at the top. Also, being with his old boss may motivate him to get back into early 2002 form in terms of energy.

[Guest Banky]

As you have pointed out, these are hardly ideal circumstances.

 

However, RVD has history with the major players in the Heyman/Lesnar feud, he has been shunted but at least he's HAD a run at the top. Also, being with his old boss may motivate him to get back into early 2002 form in terms of energy.

I think the fact he has conformed to the WWE style has ruined him. He is unable to show any true emtoion without it seeming forced. In ECW he had a cocky streak where he acted like a heel yet he was a face. The WWE doesn't allow the wrestlers to be liberal and dictate how their characters should be played. because of that, Van Dam has sunk down into mediocrity. On the bright side its not ALL his fault.

 

Is Van Dam a good choice? Not really, but he might be all they have.

[Guest BionicRedneck]

Rappers don't win World Titles? What the fuck, its a character. Why can't be just be entertained instead of waxing intellectual about how certain 'characters' shouldn't be Main Eventing.

Hey man, I'm just being realistic. As Jake Roberts once said "You don't make money in wrestling with comedy".

 

Cena is a mid carder, that is what this sort of gimmick is.

 

I wouldn't mind Cena wrestling Lesnar, bu god damn Cena is overrated. What's so good about Cena? his "rapping"? Jeeeesssus....I hope that isn't his strong point. Everyone is predicting main events for Cena this year, but he wont main event for a very long time, if ever, IMO.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

As you have pointed out, these are hardly ideal circumstances.

 

However, RVD has history with the major players in the Heyman/Lesnar feud, he has been shunted but at least he's HAD a run at the top. Also, being with his old boss may motivate him to get back into early 2002 form in terms of energy.

I think the fact he has conformed to the WWE style has ruined him. He is unable to show any true emtoion without it seeming forced. In ECW he had a cocky streak where he acted like a heel yet he was a face. The WWE doesn't allow the wrestlers to be liberal and dictate how their characters should be played. because of that, Van Dam has sunk down into mediocrity. On the bright side its not ALL his fault.

 

Is Van Dam a good choice? Not really, but he might be all they have.

I agree, it's watered down many; but for Van Dam it's really hurt his game.

 

The good news is, as of right now he's not renewing his WWE contract, so he can get back to form in the X-Division soon enough.

[Guest Goodear]

Tell Jake Roberts to look at The Rock, Kurt Angle and Mankind then because they all have/had commedic streaks a mile long. Also tell him to lay off the pipe a little huh?

 

Anyway, no one would be pushing Cena for this jobbing duty if the situation was the least bit different. But we've got two weeks to pull a build for some kind of match and you can either hotshot Benoit up there to job (which is really bad considering that he just did a high profile one for Angle), Rhyno up there to job (which is bad since he's still shaking off the rust a little and you don't want to kill his returning buzz yet), or use The Undertaker to job (which is bad since ... well Undertaker is bad). Cena is the best option this one time only... but thats okay since its like 4th match from the top anyway.

[Guest BionicRedneck]

Tell Jake Roberts to look at The Rock, Kurt Angle and Mankind then because they all have/had commedic streaks a mile long. Also tell him to lay off the pipe a little huh?

Angle is a draw? Rock and Foley are totally different. Especially, Foley. They were taken seriously, Cena is seen as a joke, a comedy act.

 

As I said, I don't mind the two having a match at Mania, I just object to people saying "Push Cena into the Main Events" etc.

[Guest Banky]

Tell Jake Roberts to look at The Rock, Kurt Angle and Mankind then because they all have/had commedic streaks a mile long.  Also tell him to lay off the pipe a little huh?

Angle is a draw? Rock and Foley are totally different. Especially, Foley. They were taken seriously, Cena is seen as a joke, a comedy act.

 

As I said, I don't mind the two having a match at Mania, I just object to people saying "Push Cena into the Main Events" etc.

Mankind got over COMPLETELY as a comedic character. Who cares about he DID in the past, it was Mr Socko who endeared him to the fans. Also, the Rock did the same comedic type character. Cena's rap aren't done to make everyone laugh. In fact most rappers aren't about comedy. He used a few lines that many live fans didn't find funny to insult his opponants. His past 3 or so rhymes have been intense, not comedic in any nature. So I don't see any correlation between Cena and a comedic gimmick - he just needed to get over with *A* gimmick.

[Guest Thomas LaCorte]

Tell Jake Roberts to look at The Rock, Kurt Angle and Mankind then because they all have/had commedic streaks a mile long.  Also tell him to lay off the pipe a little huh?

Angle is a draw? Rock and Foley are totally different. Especially, Foley. They were taken seriously, Cena is seen as a joke, a comedy act.

 

As I said, I don't mind the two having a match at Mania, I just object to people saying "Push Cena into the Main Events" etc.

Mankind got over COMPLETELY as a comedic character. Who cares about he DID in the past, it was Mr Socko who endeared him to the fans. Also, the Rock did the same comedic type character. Cena's rap aren't done to make everyone laugh. In fact most rappers aren't about comedy. He used a few lines that many live fans didn't find funny to insult his opponants. His past 3 or so rhymes have been intense, not comedic in any nature. So I don't see any correlation between Cena and a comedic gimmick - he just needed to get over with *A* gimmick.

Hey, Banky, how 'bout you go drink some oil? And whose this John Cena anyways? I wouldn't know since I only watch Heat, but if he's going to main event WrestleMania, he could not possibly be worse than Kurt Angle or Chris Benoit. Say, has anybody seen the r-train? Please help me decide on a gimmick for myself at http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?...ST&f=29&t=27691

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Tell Jake Roberts to look at The Rock, Kurt Angle and Mankind then because they all have/had commedic streaks a mile long.  Also tell him to lay off the pipe a little huh?

Angle is a draw? Rock and Foley are totally different. Especially, Foley. They were taken seriously, Cena is seen as a joke, a comedy act.

 

As I said, I don't mind the two having a match at Mania, I just object to people saying "Push Cena into the Main Events" etc.

Mankind got over COMPLETELY as a comedic character. Who cares about he DID in the past, it was Mr Socko who endeared him to the fans. Also, the Rock did the same comedic type character. Cena's rap aren't done to make everyone laugh. In fact most rappers aren't about comedy. He used a few lines that many live fans didn't find funny to insult his opponants. His past 3 or so rhymes have been intense, not comedic in any nature. So I don't see any correlation between Cena and a comedic gimmick - he just needed to get over with *A* gimmick.

Angle, Jericho, Rock, and Mick got over on mic skills and comedy alone.

 

Angle's matches were heatless till his skits got funny.

 

Jericho has always been funny

 

Rock got over on the strength of his comedy

 

Banky outlined why Mick got over.

 

The problem is they were over while they were funny, but didn't become serious threats till they were taken seriously. I don't want to see a Cena push get botched because it was rushed. (again)