The Official "John Cena for Wrestlemania" Thread

[Guest BionicRedneck]

Yeeeeaaaah....Foley got over with Socko....right. He wasn't over before then, was he?

 

Rock mocks people. It's funny. But Rock is also taken seriously, unlike Cena. Rock was seen as a great athlete who was arrogant. Cena is seen as a bad rapper.

[Guest Banky]

Yeeeeaaaah....Foley got over with Socko....right. He wasn't over before then, was he?

 

Rock mocks people. It's funny. But Rock is also taken seriously, unlike Cena. Rock was seen as a great athlete who was arrogant. Cena is seen as a bad rapper.

a. Cena makes me laugh

b. Cena can rhyme, the earlier part of his run was much smoother than it is now

c. Foley was nothing until Socko. He was good before Socko but never became a 'World Champion' caliber character until SOCKO!

[Guest BionicRedneck]

A) You're easily amused

 

B) Or whoever writes the rhymes for him can

 

C) No.

[Guest Banky]

A) You're easily amused

 

B) Or whoever writes the rhymes for him can

 

C) No.

Not really. Your obviously just an anal uptight wrestling fan who takes their watching experience far too seriously. Judging by where you post, and your sig - I judge you are a Puro fan. And thats fine. But Cena's character is the Puro fan's nightmare. He doesn't wrestle much - fine. But he doesn't need to get over with wrestling. His gimmick is entertaining as it is. Clearly you are all about workrate. But I don't understand that hate for his character - Unless you are a white collar shmoe who has never understood the popularity of the "the rap music".

 

Secondly, it has been reported by the Torch and Observer that Cena does write his own stuff while the creative staff simply gives him points he has to hit on.

 

And quit fooling yourself. Foley was nothing before Socko. He was a mid-card wrestler who every expected to take sick bumps - and nothing else. His most profitable time during the WWE was as a comedic wrestler. And you can't dispute that.

[Guest BionicRedneck]

I'm fooling myself?

 

Foley was nothing before Socko? I must have just made up how over Foley was before then, right? How about the fact that Foley had already been pushed into the main events before Socko came along? What about when he made a star out of HHH as Cactus Jack, after he stopped using Socko?

 

I am "uptight" "anal" simply because I think Cena sucks? There must be alot of anal people out there then.

 

I don't hate Cena's character. All I was saying was his is seen as a comedy joke wannabe rapper, and not a actual rapper. That's the point of his gimmick.

[Guest Banky]

I'm fooling myself?

 

Foley was nothing before Socko? I must have just made up how over Foley was before then, right? How about the fact that Foley had already been pushed into the main events before Socko came along? What about when he made a star out of HHH as Cactus Jack, after he stopped using Socko?

 

I am "uptight" "anal" simply because I think Cena sucks? There must be alot of anal people out there then.

 

I don't hate Cena's character. All I was saying was his is seen as a comedy joke wannabe rapper, and not a actual rapper. That's the point of his gimmick.

When did Foley Main Event before Socko? Tell me. And his one IYH against the Undertaker surely doesn't count. And I said he got over because of Socko, I never said anything about after Socko. The socko gimmick just made him loveable in the fans/Vince's eyes - and he began getting pushed harder than ever. After the big push, he was over without Socko. But the comedic aspect of the Socko/joker gimmick did wonders for him. It wasn't just Socko that got him over, it was humor. And brought this all up because you said no Main Eventer has ever gotten over on humour - and Foley has. You can't deny it. He was a World Champion with a comedic character. He didn't win a World Title before he turned into a comedic character. You can't deny that because its the facts.

 

If you don't like Cena's workrate, thats fine. I was calling you uptight for your constant bashing of his character. How you say he'll never be anything with it. I simply think you should give it a chance before you automatically disregard it. Because people have gotten over with unique character traits ie. Foley with a frickin' SOCK. But I reinterate, I wasn't calling you uptight for attacking his workrate. I think Cena's character is slowly shifting away from comedic rapper type into a more serious outlook.

[Guest BionicRedneck]

I never said Cena wont be anything with this gimmick. I just said he wont be the next superstar with it. He will be a mid carder.

 

Foley main evented against Taker (twice), as Dude Love (twice) against Steve Austin and against Shawn Michaels all before Socko came along.

 

If you honestly think Foley wasn't over before socko then you are an idiot or have a bad memory. He was a lot more over than Cena.

[Guest Banky]

I never said Cena wont be anything with this gimmick. I just said he wont be the next superstar with it. He will be a mid carder.

 

Foley main evented against Taker (twice), as Dude Love (twice) against Steve Austin and against Shawn Michaels all before Socko came along.

 

If you honestly think Foley wasn't over before socko then you are an idiot or have a bad memory. He was a lot more over than Cena.

Well, gimmick or not, Cena will be a superstar.

 

Foley was over, but he wasn't credible. He never got the final big push to be a World Champion until after socko. Its true, whether you want to admit it or not. Maybe in my little dream world I never thought of Foley as World Champion material until after he was one. So in my jaded little world, I never considered how over he was in 97-98 before socko. So I guess you could be right. But I do stand by the fact he was a World Champion based on the popularity he got through being a comedic actor. he did toil in purgatory (tweener) for a few months before Socko. After he did use it, he was over big as a face.

[Guest Kid Kablam]

I don't really diasgree with that (Although I dread Brock/Cena) but "straight to the top" does not mean "put the midcarder in the most important SD! match of the biggest show of the year." Summerslam is doable.

I agree here. I mean, Big SHow vs Bossman main evented one time, but it sure as hell wasn't Wrestlemania.

[Guest Kid Kablam]

Also, Foley did plenty in other Feds as Cactus Jack, so he proved he could get over without the funny stuff

[Guest Banky]

Also, Foley did plenty in other Feds as Cactus Jack, so he proved he could get over without the funny stuff

But was he over more with Socko? Yes. That doesn't discoutn he wasn't over as cactus or whoever else. All I was proving was that comedy CAN be done in the Main Event.

[Guest Kid Kablam]

True, but Mick FOley was never more than a transitional champ, and he didn't main event Wrestlemania until after he retired and came back for one match.

[Guest Lightning Flik]

True, but Mick FOley was never more than a transitional champ, and he didn't main event Wrestlemania until after he retired and came back for one match.

*sighs* Banky's tryring to just point out that Foley didn't get going till he was given a gimmick that made him connect with the marks. It also was a comedic gimmick that was getting him over. To add, he Main Evented other events. And sure Mick Foley didn't main event Wrestlemania till he retired and cameback, but he still Main Evented a Wrestlemania.

 

Yet, how about we get back to the true arguement. Is Cena really prepared to step up and become a true player? It's not a matter of if he'll win, he's not been built up to be a true champion. What we are debating is if he's a contender.

 

We've all admitted that somewhere down the line he's going to be doing it. It's just that he possibly could be doing it at the biggest PPV WWE has to offer. Now, not to slight anyone, but if this was any other PPV, would we really be as condemning of this so venomiously?

 

Seriously, many were considering him facing Brock Lesnar at Backlash, so if Cena's facing Brock then, what the hell is going to be the difference if he does it now? Sure, we can all say that he doesn't deserve it and can't go with it. However, he hasn't even been given the chance to take a shot. Heck, I remembering that we all having this same discussion about the guy that Cena will be taking on later or perhaps sooner. If we can all settle with Lesnar now, how about we give Cena a chance (assuming that it's given to him)?

 

Do I think Cena be a consideration to face Brock Lesnar? All the points that have been heard from Banky are pretty freakin' hard to dismiss. He's got a storyline built in, has had some history with Brock Lesnar, and frankly, he's very good with his gimmick. Doesn't matter if someone doesn't like his gimmick, you've gotta at least admit that it is his forte.

 

Sure his mat skills need work, but where the hell has he been for the last while? He surely isn't injuried, so he could possibly be training. Besides, when he and Lesnar went toe to toe, it freakin' didn't look like a damned squash match. It looked decent, and Cena looked credible in that match. Sure, he still lost, but at least Cena looked like he was thinking with his head.

 

Now to close out. Is Cena ready for Wrestlemania? We'll find out whether the WWE thinks so this coming Tuesday, as Brock Lesnar's #1 contender will probably be announced then.

 

To add further, I remember a thread that came up in the WWE folder that said that the WWE Title should be gunned be made to look like everyone can gun for it. If Cena shows up and messes with Lesnar in his match against Angle, then we'll all know for certain whether it'll be made to look like that.

Edited March 9, 2003 by Lightning Flik