Out of this group, who will be the biggest star?

[Guest razazteca]

The only person in the group that I would like to make it is Chris Nowinski, he so much pontential in becoming the next big snobish blue blood heel but he gets no interview time. Too bad the relationship with William Regal went nowhere, Regal could of been his mentor in the ways of being a Blue Blood. Harvard Nowinski should of been in the Evolution group.

[Guest Jimmy Saint]

Havent watched WWF in time but good to see some of my favouite OVW people getting over. Shelton has all the tools to make it as has John Cena. The rest of your list is fairly blah and A Train pfffffft come on now be serious.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

I just don't see it in Cena. He is completely vanilla in the ring - the typical 'dropkick/arm drag' development wrestler. He is Edge, only worse.

 

Benjamin has the evil black guy look down pat - which is a helluva lot better than the gangsta rapper look.

[Guest Choken One]

I said once and I'll say it again...Albert had a good look with the leather Pants and Shirt. All he needs to do is go away for about 4 months...Watch Vader for 24 hours a day and shave his body...Take out the piercings and then HE'LL be a good Monster Heel.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

I heard that the tights were the WWF's (see JR's) way of getting Albert to lose weight... by embarassing him... Yeah, who cares about the fans' disgust..

[Guest Choken One]

Wouldn't a Stairmaster be a little more Subtle?

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Nope. See, that doesn't hurt the fans and therefore Vince wouldn't allow it.

 

Remember: Vince McMahon hates his fans.

[Guest Jimmy Saint]

Cena has a onscreen personality plus mic skills and can work a number of charecters. Edge is the 'prototype' wrestler John Cena was making fun of in OVW. Different ball game completely.

 

 

And Albert needs to go and watch Vader for the rest of his life, realise he has picked the wrong career, retire from wrestling and become a club doorman or some shit.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

I don't mean Cena is like Edge in Character. I mean in the ring. They have nice dropkicks and hiptosses and armdrags - they can hit all their spots just like they were programmed to - but if you've seen one, you've seen em all. It's by-the-numbers and incredibly bland. High Workrate, Low Substance.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Nathan Jones -- I don't expect him to be even with the company in a year or two. I know that they seem to be pushing him as the next Undertaker, but Taker had talent (at least before his gimmick forced him to slow down), charisma and a great gimmick. Jones only has charisma, and I don't see the writers coming through with that big gimmick for him. Plus he's not a young buck. He'll get pushed, but as soon as he injures someone like Lesnar, he'll be depushed and released. Not the next Undertaker, Jones has more in common with Mark Henry.

VOTE: No

 

Batista -- Brock without the ability to connect to fans. He's young enough that he could get better in the ring, but I don't ever see him being more than a bodyguard-type. Putting him in the Evolution was a good move.

VOTE: No

 

Randy Orton -- Orton can still be a solid midcarder if injuries don't end his career, but he won't main event.

VOTE: No

 

John Cena -- There were two can't miss prospects in OVW that were called up in the past year. Brock was one. Cena is the other. He is still green, but so is everybody when they start out.

VOTE: Yes

 

A-Train -- He could fill in for Big Show once his contract is up and he is fired. He could make it up as high as the Upper Midcard, but no higher. But he will have a better career than some guys on this list (Jones).

VOTE: No

 

Three-Minute Warning (Jamal and Rosey) -- They are lucky that they are still employed.

VOTE: No

 

Team Angle (Haas and Benjamin) -- I honestly don't see them going much higher than what they are right now. Haas doesn't have the ability, and Benjamin is black (which matters). Haas will get a shot, but I don't think he will make too much of it. Both will be solid midcarders. Benjamin could be great, but I don't think he will ever get the chance.

VOTE: No, No

 

Shannon Moore -- Even if he had talent, he wouldn't be pushed because of his size. Although I enjoy him as an MFer and think they should continue the gimmick for awhile, Moore is horrible. He will be fired soon after he breaks up with Matt.

VOTE: No

 

Brian Kendrick -- I agree with what others have said. He is the next Spike Dudley. Nothing more.

VOTE: No

 

Johnny Stamboli -- Here's a guy who I thought was already fired before showing up on Smackdown. No chance.

VOTE: No

 

Maven -- He is very bland. I could see him having a solid career, but I don't think he is a future main eventer.

VOTE: No

 

Chris Nowinski -- He needs more work, but he has the charisma to make it someday. I will go out on a limb and say yes.

VOTE: Yes

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Nathan Jones -- This guy doesn't need to be a good wrestler. His gimmick makes up for it. Aside from that Michael Cole promo, he hasn't really expressed his character's personality, though. Not the best actor (which is a shame, considering the role) but maybe he'll improve in time.

 

Batista -- Generic Big Man. Next year's Taker Food. You heard it here first.

 

Randy Orton -- Too young to tell.

 

John Cena -- I used to be "meh" about the guy. Now I hate him. I think it's the gimmick though, as I don't remember strongly not liking the guy until the rap thing.

 

A-Train -- Shirtless A-Train makes me change the channel.

 

Three-Minute Warning (Jamal and Rosey) -- Going nowhere.

 

Team Angle (Haas and Benjamin) -- Obviously going to need some character work in Angle's absence. Too bad they let Brock squash both of them regularly. Benjamin vs Lesnar would have worked for a SD-only PPV feud.

 

Shannon Moore -- Not very good, but he has five friggin' years to get better before he enters any sort of prime.

 

Brian Kendrick -- Currently about as high on the card as Shannon Moore, butabout six years older. He sure looks really young most the time though. Time will tell if the Clique recognizes him as worthy of political plays. I don't see him being more than a satelite member, ala Justin Credible though.

 

Johnny Stamboli -- Probably will get an Infini-Push. Will need a character change before he gets over though.

 

Maven -- Give me a break. He's Joe Regular, so not only will The Usual Politicians question his heart for the business or whatever, but pushing him also makes it look like "Anyone Can Do That."

 

Chris Nowinski -- Better learn the skills that make a good manager, Chris. I can picture him as the Mike Sanders to somebody else's NBTs in the future.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

Jones- they have to be insane to push a guy of his experience as quickly as they have. I have heard, however, his dark matches went over well despite being awful, much like Sid who, of course, was going to be fucking huge at one point. There's every chance.

 

Batista - hasn't impressed me in the slightest, however he has a BADASS lariat and makes the most of his basic power moves, maybe he'll fare better in Japan one day.

 

Orton - seems injury-prone, this shitty stable will do nothing for him, his heel character looked promising. He's about the right size with the right look, if they just call time on this stable he could go places, but then there isn't anyone to have good matches with on raw.

 

Cena - You have to appreciate how outstanding his charisma is if he can rhyme everything he sas commentating on a match for solid minutes. I can't judge his ring work until he's had more ppv appearances really, seems generic but then the majority of main eventers have a basic moveset and work around it.

 

A-Train - In the past, I've liked him. Needs a tag run (not with big show) because his stint with test saw improvement. I agree on the vader thing, but times have changed and it's questionable whether someone with the same act could be as big of a draw anymore. Still young and has the stereotypical 'big wrestling bad guy' look going for him. I agree with the moveset thing, I don't know why he just clubs away for the most part when he's done crazy stuff like sit-out press slams and the torture -rack neckbreaker thing in the past.

 

3MW - OK, so two samoans and a hairdresser walk into a bar...

 

I think rico is tremendous but will just end up being another guy who was underutilised throughout his whole career.

 

I don't really watch often enough to be able judge team angle just yet. Angle's injury is going to be the biggest blow to their careers, I'm curious to see how much heat they have without him.

 

I don't know what everyone's got against Shannon Moore. Obviously the size is a problem but the MFer thing can be milked for a while, and eventually he'll feud with matt and probably get the crowd behind him cos matt has treated him like shit for months. Or at least it looks they'll go that way. Anyone who will take that picture-perfect suplex to the ramp is OK with me.

 

I personally think they dropped the ball with spike and could have made something of him, but obviously he's not a good worker. Kendrick I haven't really seen yet, but he's supposedly a lot better, so I think there's a chance he'll get over, but he won't main event of course.

 

Stamboli will get pushed cos he can press-slam a 400 pound guy. Him and Palumbo are far from my favourite workers but might be a decent power team in a while. That's all they'll accomplish however.

 

If Maven was in a babyface's corner or something and turned on them with NO hint at it whatsoever, I'd love it. But I dunno where I'd go after that, more of a spur of the moment thing.

 

Nowinski has tremendous potential IMO. This guy has the least in ring experience (save jones) on the list and has shown a fine grasp of the basics that elude more spot-orientated wrestlers. I hope he makes it, we'll see where he is in 2-3 years.

 

 

In short, I think Cena will make it first, batista is just another test who will receive a ton of failed pushes, Jones will get the first push and A-train and Nowinski *might* be somewhere in a few years.

[Guest Jimmy Saint]

Whats all this Shelton Benjamin ain't going anywhere because he is black argument ? Arn't The Rock and Booker T at the top of the card in the WWE at the minute ?

 

Do they not count or something ?

 

 

 

RavishingRickRudo saying Cena is weak as he hits his same spots nicely every match but they are boring to watch all the time. Well I'd blame your over saturation of the WWE Tv product more than his inring ability.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Guys Nathan Jones has what none of the others (except O'Haire) have: An utterly badass character that transcends wrestling fuck-ups.

[Guest Ram]

Guys Nathan Jones has what none of the others (except O'Haire) have: An utterly badass character that transcends wrestling fuck-ups.

But he's an awful actor.

 

Awful Acting + Good Idea = Failure

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

1)Hogan is blacker than the Rock.

2)Booker T won't get an extended title run and then it's back down to the midcard ala Chris Jericho. He isn't and won't be a permanent member of the glass floor club.

 

Sheldon, however, hasn't been saddled with anything closely related to his blackness yet - he hasn't rapped, wore gold chains, talked about his bling, or danced. He isn't a black wrestler - he is a wrestler who happens to be black.

 

John Cena is vanilla in the ring - I don't know how many more times I can say it - he simply doesn't impress me, and that's how I'll lay it. I don't care if he can rhyme, I can rhyme, it's no big deal. But when he is in the ring, doin his thing, there is absolutely nothing to feel.

 

He's the personification of the WWE's development territory. Good look, Good character, Good conditioning, Good Dropkicks, Good Hiptosses, Good Armdrags, and he can bump. But he hasn't showed any signs that he is capable of a great match. NOTHING about his ring work stands out.

[Guest Jimmy Saint]

Good look, Good character, Good conditioning, Good Dropkicks, Good Hiptosses, Good Armdrags, and he can bump. But he hasn't showed any signs that he is capable of a great match. NOTHING about his ring work stands out.

Add the fact he can talk very well and can carry of great comedy segments [important shit in the world of WWE]. Good seller as well.

 

 

Any half decent face can work with him to a good tv match. I would say his tag match against Ric Flair in OVW the summer sizzler series last year I think it was is close to greatness dispite the presense of Sean O Haire and David Flair.

 

 

 

The Rock and Booker T are both black and have had world title runs in the US. Do you see Jericho as not a star ? thats what we are talking about here and Shelton Benjamin imo can reach his level of sucess in a few years.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

I'm not arguing that Sheldon won't make it - I think he will and have said it in this thread. BUT the rock isn't "black" he is brown. He and Hogan are of equal darkness. Jericho isn't a star and neither will Booker T be after his (short) title run. Back to the mid-card it'll be. He has too many weaknesses that HHH can capitalize on.

 

Cena is a good seller in the way Edge is a good seller - OW OW OW My back!~! *gets up and does a powerbomb.* Break him down and he is crap. No substance. He hits the spots he is told to hit - that he has been programed to hit - he flexes and then it's back to the lockerroom.

[Guest El Satanico]

Nathan Jones - I think Jones will do fine as soon as he learns "WWe style". Putting him with Undertaker for now was a good idea. A much better idea than throwing him into a big WM match a month into the company. Now he'll be able to get accustomed to "WWe style" without going through growing pains with the spotlight totally on him.

 

Batista - We honestly have no clue if this guy has what it takes. He either has very little talent or he's not allowed to show anything. And they haven't allowed him to do anything mic wise. As of now he's the "lurking in the background monster" so the jury is still out on him.

 

Randy Orton - He has a good look and decent mic skills. He could do well in WWe as long as his ankle/foot doesn't screw him up.

 

John Cena - He'll become a big star sooner or later. However i also said that about Edge when he first came in and he still hasn't broken into true stardom yet. I actually think he could be the first guy to make a "rapper" gimmick work and not just on the comedy role level. He's been evolving the gimmick and can do actual promos with it, so it could actually work for him

 

 

A-Train - eh I don't think he'll ever become a "star", but he could eventually become a decent mid/upper card big man ala Kane

 

Three-Minute Warning (Jamal and Rosey) - This may get me blacklisted 'round these here arts, but i don't think they're that bad. Sure they aren't amazing or anything, but they another decent fat samoan team. I think they can be good in a tag division if WWe ever built up a decent one again.

 

Team Angle (Haas and Benjamin) - They aren't bad now and in time they could be a great tag team. As singles I think Shelton has the best chance at being a "star". Shelton has the whole black thing working aganest him, but I don't think Haas has a very marketable look.

 

Shannon Moore - cruiser jobber at best...lunch for the latest monsters at worst. Of course they could package him in a new "teeny bopper" tag team to replace the Hardys.

 

Brian Kendrick - He has a decent look, good mic skills and appears a good sport about comedic skits. He'll do well within WWe

 

Johnny Stamboli - midcarder with alot of tag work

 

Maven - mid/upper card with alot of tag work. Has decent mic skills, but will never be pushed hard. May be asked to commentate at some point.

 

Chris Nowinski - mid/upper heel in the style of Hennig and Rude. I think he'll last and will end up as one of those guys that never made it big but is remembered by alot of people.

[Guest Brian]

Nowinski needs a lot of work in the ring. Just incredibly akward and unnatural in there.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

I can't see I've seen too much evidence of that. Sure, he's nowhere near ready for a big push yet, but bottom line, they pretty much picked him off the street. Give the guy time.

[Guest creativename]

I agree with the consensus here, Cena and Benjamin are the guys most likely to make it.

 

Cena's got charisma and has shown hints of talent, which is more than most of the others. And while Benjamin hasn't been allowed on the mic at all, I think he's got tremendous in-ring potential (far more than Haas). He also has a great voice, which is not trivial. I also agree that his being black might be the one thing that holds him back.

 

Batista is the only one of the hosses listed that I see as having any sort of success. Jones will quickly devolve into a joke due to his horrible, horrible acting. A-train's not going anywhere. Johnny Stamboli? You must be kidding me. 3MW were done once they injured Patterson.

 

I can see Orton being a solid mid-carder, but not much more than that. They're never going to do anything with Maven; they might try with Nowinski, but he's got no cred.

 

The only guy other than Cena, Benjamin, and maybe Batista I see as having any sort of long-term success is Kendrick. His career is off to a terrible start, but he might just have enough talent to break through.

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

I can't see how Kendricks career is off to a terrible start. The guy got more over in one match then Nathan Jones has from over a month of vignettes.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

I should add one thing hurting Albert's chances of becoming a credible vader-like monster is his WWE career so far...

[Guest Human Fly]

Nathan Jones - It's all up to him. If he had the ability to wrestle a passable match (1 star, 3 out of 10, thumbs in middle, whatever your scale is) he would've been in a big match at Wrestlemania. I'll bet if he had that ability they would put him in Angle's place at 'Mania. He might not make it, but it won't be because the company isn't trying.

 

Batista - Needs to find some way to connect with fans. Injury provides another reset for him which could be useful since the first two times he was introduced were botched.

 

Randy Orton - People talked in the other thread about Orton's injury being similar to Brian Pillman's. Remember how much Pillman's work fell off after the injury? Orton was never the worker Pillman was, if his injury is as bad I see him as an announcer.

 

John Cena - Everyone has already said it: Needs new gimmick to get over the hump as well as more work.

 

A-Train - In the past few months he's injured Rey Jr., feuded with Edge, associated himself with Heyman, and is feuding with Undertaker going into Wrestlemania. He's still not over and if something doesn't change soon I don't see him around much longer.

 

Three-Minute Warning (Jamal and Rosey) - They would've already been Tag Champs if they hadn't injured Patterson. They're only employed because they have a small purpose. As soon as someone comes and can fill that purpose, or the next round of budget cuts come up they'll be gone. It's too bad Rico has to get dragged down with them.

 

Team Angle (Haas and Benjamin) - Same as everyone else has said. Benjamin could be a big star, Haas not as big unless he improves.

 

Shannon Moore - Moore should be in OVW still IMO. He's got potential, but it's not ready yet. Good as Matt's lackey, but when the angle turns and Shannon is supposed to turn on Matt no one is going to care.

 

Brian Kendrick - Probably only around because of HBK. Vince and Co. think so much of him they are going to let him wrestle in the Super 8 this year. I know Matt and Jeff did that a few years ago, but they weren't really thought of too well for a while either except by Michael Hayes. He's awesome in the ring, but won't get to do much of what makes him good in a WWE ring.

 

Johnny Stamboli - He'll never be a MEer but if the IC was still around I could see him making a run for it. Probably a future Tag Champ with Chuck.

 

Maven - Doesn't have the tools on the Mic that Nowinski does, but he's capable. More athletic than Nowinski also. Sooner or later is going to have to outgrow the "underdog" role. He's been around for close two years now and announcers are still acting shocked if he beats some jobber on Heat. Could make it far IMO because it's easy for fans to identify with him, and even casual fans no who he is.

 

Chris Nowinski - Another gimmick that is limited, although not as much as Cena's. Could probably use some time in OVW as well. They should've sent him there after he messed his jaw up for a month or two. When he improves in the ring it won't be long before he starts heading to the top. Fans want to hate him going back to TE.