Bin Laden Capture imminent?

[Guest Your Olympic Hero]

Well, if we can't savagely murder Osama...

 

We can pull the 24 treatment and pretend to kill his kids before his eyes before we kill him...except we actually kill his kids instead of using slick video editing. I can't imagine much worse than watching your kids die. Then kill him.

he most likely does not give a shit about his kids

[Guest JMA]

he most likely does not give a shit about his kids

What if you're wrong? Many mafia bosses are ruthless killers but still care about their family.

[Guest Anglesault]

Well, if we can't savagely murder Osama...

 

We can pull the 24 treatment and pretend to kill his kids before his eyes before we kill him...except we actually kill his kids instead of using slick video editing.  I can't imagine much worse than watching your kids die.  Then kill him.

he most likely does not give a shit about his kids

Hasn't that been proven?

 

What if you're wrong? Many mafia bosses are ruthless killers but still care about their family.

 

Many Mafia bosses have some redeeming quality. In Usama bin Laden, you are applying human qualities to something unhuman.

[Guest JMA]

Many Mafia bosses have some redeeming quality. In Usama bin Laden, you are applying human qualities to something unhuman.

No, I'm simply saying that evil men can still love things. They aren't evil for evil's sake. In their own delusional mind, they think they are justified.

[Guest The Czech Republic]

he most likely does not give a shit about his kids

What if you're wrong? Many mafia bosses are ruthless killers but still care about their family.

Yeah, watch The Sopranos.

[Guest JMA]

Yeah, watch The Sopranos.

Yes, but not the current season.

[Guest Midnight Express83]

What will happen: Death by chair.

 

What i want to happen: Death by shooting off a toe, let him bleed to death slowly.

[Guest JMA]

Killing him (and making a big spectacle of his death) will just make him a martyr for other terrorists. I say we just lock him up in a NYC prison. The punishment he'll get there is much worse than an execution.

[Guest Brian]

Him dying will make him a martyr, so he'll probably just suicide bomb and take out as many as possible, hoping to set an example. The man's a savage.

[Guest JMA]

Him dying will make him a martyr, so he'll probably just suicide bomb and take out as many as possible, hoping to set an example. The man's a savage.

Yep. But I suppose it doesn't matter. The US will kill him no matter what. I don't agree with execution, but America may need it to move on.

[Guest Anglesault]

The Man doesn't want to be a fucking martyr. If he wnte to be a martyr, he would get the fuck out of whatever cave he's hiding in, and let us bomb the fuck out o him. I he wanted to be a martyr, he would have flown the planes himself. He's a coward.

[Guest CanadianChris]

Here are some interesting Middle-Aged ideas (graphic at points, be forewarned) to mull over (courtesy of http://www.fidnet.com/~kawlaw/devices.html):

 

Toewedge

Wooden wedges were forced underneath the toenails to help urge a confession from the criminal. The toenails often became infected and other tortures were applied if this was not enough for confession.

 

Tongue Slicer

This scissor type instrument was used to slice the tongue up afte the victims mouth was forced open.

 

Copper Boot

The copper boot was placed around the foot of the victim and filled to the brim with molten lead causing first degree burns.

 

Lead Sprinkler

The sprinkler was filled with molten metal and dripped on the stomach, back, and other body parts of the victim.

 

Water Torture

During the water torture, the victims nostrils were pinched shut and fluid was poured down his throat. Intstead of water, sometimes vinegar, urine, or urine and a combination of diarrhea were forced down the throat.

 

Thumbscrew

The thumbscrew was simple placed on the thumb and tighten until it crushed the thumb. The tool was also used on toes.

 

Toothed Squeezers

These toothed bars squeezed the victim's testicles til they were destroyed.

 

Spanish Donkey

The victim was placed on the Spanish donkey and then had extremely heavy weights tied to his or her legs until the force was so great that it destroyed the area between the legs.

 

Foot Press

The Foot Press slowly squeezed the naked foot between the iron plates lined with sharp spikes to crush the bones of the foot.

 

Scottish Boot

The Scottish Boot was placed around the ankle of the victim and then wedges were forced into the ankle.

 

Breast Ripper

The name breast ripper explains itself.

 

Pear

The pear was a metal object that is shoved inside the mouth anal cavity and vagina. Once in place the screw at the end was turned and the pear opened up inside the cavity. This caused much damage and led to death.

 

Rack

The victim was bound on an oblong wooden frame with a roller at each end. If the victim refused to answer questions, the rollers were turned until the victim's joints were pulled out of their sockets.

 

The Branks

The branks were a mask that had a metal piece that goes in your mouth. The mouth piece has spikes on it, which unables you to talk.

 

The Juda Cradle

The Juda Cradle is a horrible torture. The victim is hung above a cone pyramid type object and then is lowered upon it. the sharp tip of the cone or pyramid is forced into the area between the legs.

 

Headcrusher

The headcrusher simply crushed your head.

 

Whirligig

The whirligig was not that bad of a torture. It just span the victim til they puked.

 

Cat's Paw

The cat's paw was a short pole with a pitch fork at one end. It was used to tear the the flesh of the victim.

 

Heretic Fork

The heretic fork was a two sided prong that went between your chin and your chest. You could not talk with instrument in place and it was very painful.

 

The Chair of Spikes

The chair of spikes was a chair of spikes. The victim would sit in the chair and weights would be applied onto the victim forcing his body into the metal spikes.

[Guest Downhome]

We'll never catch him alive, I firmly believe that. Sooner or later we'll find him, but we will not have him alive. To be honest with you, I wouldn't be suprised if Usama bin Laden is lined with explosives right now, just in case of the event of our finding him, he can at least take quite a few of us with him.

 

That, or something like that, would be my bet over him ever being brought in alive. I also wouldn't be suprised if he used himself in a major attack of some sort, somehow, as he said he wanted to do basicly.

[Guest JMA]

We'll never catch him alive, I firmly believe that. Sooner or later we'll find him, but we will not have him alive. To be honest with you, I wouldn't be suprised if Usama bin Laden is lined with explosives right now, just in case of the event of our finding him, he can at least take quite a few of us with him.

 

That, or something like that, would be my bet over him ever being brought in alive. I also wouldn't be suprised if he used himself in a major attack of some sort, somehow, as he said he wanted to do basicly.

I agree. He'll probably go out the same way Hitler did.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

By marrying is 10th wife and than commiting suicide by biting into a cyanide capsule and shooting himself at the same time.

[Guest Anglesault]

We'll never catch him alive, I firmly believe that. Sooner or later we'll find him, but we will not have him alive. To be honest with you, I wouldn't be suprised if Usama bin Laden is lined with explosives right now, just in case of the event of our finding him, he can at least take quite a few of us with him.

 

That, or something like that, would be my bet over him ever being brought in alive. I also wouldn't be suprised if he used himself in a major attack of some sort, somehow, as he said he wanted to do basicly.

I agree. He'll probably go out the same way Hitler did.

Hitler killed himself in a bunker, didn't he?

[Guest phoenixrising]

We'll never catch him alive, I firmly believe that. Sooner or later we'll find him, but we will not have him alive. To be honest with you, I wouldn't be suprised if Usama bin Laden is lined with explosives right now, just in case of the event of our finding him, he can at least take quite a few of us with him.

 

That, or something like that, would be my bet over him ever being brought in alive. I also wouldn't be suprised if he used himself in a major attack of some sort, somehow, as he said he wanted to do basicly.

I agree. He'll probably go out the same way Hitler did.

Hitler killed himself in a bunker, didn't he?

Yeah, he did. He and his mistress both killed themselves. I think everyone else in the bunker also committed suicide.

 

It wouldn't surprise me if Osama had something rigged to kill as many people as possible if he was killed.

[Guest JMA]

By marrying is 10th wife and than commiting suicide by biting into a cyanide capsule and shooting himself at the same time.

Yes, I meant exactly the same way. </sarcasm>

 

No, I meant he'll probably bite a cyanide pill before we can get to him. And I think most of his children are illegitimate.

[Guest JMA]

Yeah, he did. He and his mistress both killed themselves. I think everyone else in the bunker also committed suicide.

 

It wouldn't surprise me if Osama had something rigged to kill as many people as possible if he was killed.

I thought he commited suicide with his wife (Eva). I don't think he had any mistresses. But I could be wrong.

[Guest Anglesault]

I heard Hitler was faithful.

[Guest Tim]

The thing is, if you troture the guy publicly, you are guaranteeing that every American who gets captured or kidnapped by Islamics will get the same treatment.

[Guest DrTom]

The thing is, if you troture the guy publicly, you are guaranteeing that every American who gets captured or kidnapped by Islamics will get the same treatment.

I'm sure that's already guaranteed, since we're dealing with a bunch of filthy savages, but I agree with the sentiment. More importantly, though, we shouldn't torture people because the act of doing so is evil, and evil is something we should leave to those we're fighting.

[Guest Anglesault]

The thing is, if you troture the guy publicly, you are guaranteeing that every American who gets captured or kidnapped by Islamics will get the same treatment.

Right. Because as of now, any captured American gets luxary treatment.

[Guest JMA]

I heard Hitler was faithful.

He was. He never once cheated on his wife. And he hated smoking. Keep in mind that in his own twisted psyche he saw himself as a hero. It's sort of reminisent of serial killers who have good hygiene. I don't know exactly who fathered bin Laden's children. But I don't think he's married. This is why I'm assuming they are illegitimate and possibly from differant mothers.

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

Bin Laden has twelve wives.

 

Hitler was married for one day before he killed himself, not really a lot of time to cheat on her, especially when he was confined to an underground bunker complex in a war zone. He had various dalliances with women during his life, but was never really one to cheat, as he was fairly asexual and INCREDIBLY insecure.

[Guest JMA]

Bin Laden has twelve wives.

 

Hitler was married for one day before he killed himself, not really a lot of time to cheat on her, especially when he was confined to an underground bunker complex in a war zone. He had various dalliances with women during his life, but was never really one to cheat, as he was fairly asexual and INCREDIBLY insecure.

Twelve wives? Wow. Does he have at least one child for each of them? Hitler was insecure? I never would've guessed that.

[Guest phoenixrising]

Bin Laden has twelve wives.

 

Hitler was married for one day before he killed himself, not really a lot of time to cheat on her, especially when he was confined to an underground bunker complex in a war zone. He had various dalliances with women during his life, but was never really one to cheat, as he was fairly asexual and INCREDIBLY insecure.

Hitler and Eva Braun were never formally married until the day they both committed suicide. However Braun was his mistress for about ten years.

 

This reminds me of a class project I had to do in my world history class sophomore year of high school. My group had to do a presentation on Hitler. We checked out a bunch of books from the library. One happened to be a psychological study that was made around World War II (not sure if it was before or after). Anyway, the study surmised that Hitler may have been insecure because of various reasons. The two I remember were - he may have caught his parents fooling around in bed, and that he may have had only one ball. Needless to say, when we presented our "one ball" infomation, all in the class had a good laugh.

[Guest BDC]

I've heard the singular testicle statement, too. I don't know how far to believe it, especially since it was a Jew that cut his bits which spawned his hatred... so says that story.

[Guest Brian]

The Man doesn't want to be a fucking martyr. If he wnte to be a martyr, he would get the fuck out of whatever cave he's hiding in, and let us bomb the fuck out o him. I he wanted to be a martyr, he would have flown the planes himself. He's a coward.

That's not true. He's still got to run the operations, and for him to be a martyr, it's got to come to a point where he has not other choice and is willing to take out as many Americans or Israelis as possible. He knows what he's doing.

[Guest Anglesault]

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (March 10) - The net is closing around terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden, Pakistani intelligence officials said Monday, confirming the No. 3 al-Qaida man captured one week ago met bin Laden in December.

 

Information from Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks, ``is bringing us significantly closer to Osama,'' said one intelligence official who could not be identified according to the rules of a press conference by Pakistan's spy agency.

 

``We appear to be just hours behind him (bin Laden),'' the official said, citing evidence gathered from Mohammed and other suspected al-Qaida operatives.

 

``One suspect met with Osama in September, and Khalid Shaikh said he met with him in December. We were months behind, then weeks and now hours behind him.''

 

The press conference was the first-ever held at the InterServices Intelligence, or ISI, headquarters in Islamabad, according Gen. Rashid Quereshi, spokesman for Pakistan's military president Pervez Musharraf - a close ally of the United States in the global war on terror.

 

U.S. forces pressing the search for bin Laden are operating in Afghanistan's southern Helmand province, Muhiddin Khan, a director at the provincial Governor's House, told The Associated Press. Other operations are reportedly being carried out in Afghanistan's southern Nimroz and along the rugged mountainous border regions between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

 

ISI showed what it said was a video of Mohammed's March 1 arrest in the nearby city of Rawalpindi. His capture resulted in a treasure trove of intelligence, said the ISI official who gave the briefing.

 

Mohammed said he met bin Laden in December but refused to say where. He also had letters in his possession that he said were written by the exiled Saudi millionaire.

 

Pakistani intelligence, who said U.S. agents were present at the interrogation, said Mohammed was in Pakistan for three days but refused to give anything but his name for the first two days.

 

This information was contrary to earlier reports from several sources that Mohammed was taken out of Pakistan within hours of his capture and that he was belligerent during the first few hours, telling his captors that he would never give up his boss, bin Laden.

 

Also nabbed in the arrest was Mustafa al-Hisawi, the alleged financier of the Sept. 11 attacks, and Pakistani Ahmed Abdul Qadus, whose family is closely affiliated to the hardline religious organization Jamaat-e-Islami, which is a partner in a coalition that rules in Pakistan's North West Frontier Province.

 

Jamaat-e-Islami and al-Qaida were not linked, said intelligence agencies, but ``there are individual associations.''

 

ISI's short videotape was scratchy and of poor quality.

 

Mohammed's face could not be seen, but the video showed him being handcuffed and a black hood being placed over his head. It showed that only Pakistani police and ISI agents were involved in the actual arrest.

 

The video appeared to be cut and spliced together. It was choppy and difficult to understand. It showed Pakistani intelligence agents and police with bullet proof vests scaling the high wall outside the house where Mohammed was captured.

 

Surveillance of al-Qaida telephone contacts has played a major role in the search along the border, Pakistani officials said Monday. In particular, officials have said the search was launched on the basis of information obtained by Pakistani and U.S. experts examining the record of calls made on Mohammed's cellular phone. The phone contained numbers inside and outside Pakistan, a government official said.

 

Andrea Sadecky, a Swiss Justice Ministry official, on Sunday confirmed reports that Swiss investigators had learned the terrorists who carried out the Sept. 11 attacks and top members of al-Qaida had used prepaid Swiss cellular phones to communicate among themselves. The phones are issued anonymously and are thus more difficult to trace.

 

The Washington-based magazine U.S. News & World Report quoted a ``high-level official'' in this week's edition as saying that the United States' National Security Agency used its Echelon surveillance system to monitor more than 10 different cell phone numbers that Mohammed used.

 

``The Echelon system links phone numbers and voices and can locate these phones by triangulating with cell phone sites and satellites,'' the magazine said. ``'They were tracking him for some time,' this source says. 'He would shift; they would follow.'''

 

03/10/03 12:08 EST

 

AP, BTW.