Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted March 14, 2003 AS, remember when you mocked Randy Orton when it was revealed he would have lifelong foot problems? "Instant karma's gonna get ya." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest godthedog Report post Posted March 14, 2003 i can see where angle's coming from on this decision, how he may never wrestle again & wants to go out on the highest possible note...but i don't agree with it at all. angle isn't a very smooth worker, and brock is a lot less smooth than that...how much experience do they have between the 2 of them? 8 years, if that? this is asking for trouble. as others already said, i don't think i'll be able to enjoy this match, because a)brock & angle will probably be to worried about working around angle's neck to put together a good match, and b)i'll be too worried about angle getting injured to appreciate the match anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest snuffbox Report post Posted March 14, 2003 This one time I hope its just some gay swerve attempt at the smarks. Sadly it probably isnt and I really dont want one of the driving factors in buying WM to be the possibility of it being Kurt Angles swansong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Respect The 'Taker Report post Posted March 14, 2003 True it was never Benoit's spot to have AS, however with Angle on the shelf it was Benoit who the company was looking to in order to fill the void of Kurt. Angle is going in at maybe 35% against Lesnar whereas Benoit could have gone in, in top shape, and put on an clinic in professional wrestling. The story/buildup wouldn't be there, but you yourself AS have stated the angle was worthlessly booked anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest treble charged Report post Posted March 14, 2003 Angle blows Benoit's opportunity for Benoit to headline a title match at Wrestlemania and you all bitch about Angle's chance of getting hurt. If this was Triple H, there'd be anarchy. Since i have nothing else to add all i have to... ITS HITLER TIME! It was never Benoit's to have. I think what UYI is saying, though, is that if HHH had a really injured neck, yet decided to go through with his match at Mania, everyone would be going, 'OMG!! HHH IS NOT LETTING OTHER WRESTLERS HAVE HIS SPOT~!!! GLASS CEILING, HELD DOWN OMGOMGOM!!!', but since Angle's doing it, it's ok. It just seems kind of hypocritical, in my eyes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Respect The 'Taker Report post Posted March 14, 2003 My point exactly TC. Whether Angle is the superior performer or not, the fact Triple H is going through with his match displays his love for the business and the fact he's a tough son of a bitch. However the Smarks eat him alive for doing that as they see it as his way of holding back the rest of the roster. Angle risks death to perform and not give up his spot and people only bitch about whether he'll get hurt or not. IMO, it's just a retarded way of thinking, if your gonna hate Triple H for it, hate Angle for doing the exact same thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted March 15, 2003 HHH and Angle aren't really comparable at all. That's a very facile generalization to make. First, love for the business often means loving yourself in the business, which I think is definitely true of HHH. Second, Angle has never had a problem putting anyone over, while HHH has basically killed the heat of half the Raw roster to keep his precious spot. I've always given HHH credit for working hurt and being a tough bastard. But beyond that, there's no comparison to be made between him and Angle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 15, 2003 Also, Angle is going into Mania to drop his belt. The Hster went into Armageddon Mezzo Morta just to get his bet back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest treble charged Report post Posted March 15, 2003 I'm not talking about Armageddon. I'm saying if we knew that HHH had an injured neck and was going into Mania and we knew he was going to drop the belt to Booker. People would be too busy orgasming over the fact that he was hurt and complaining that he wouldn't step aside to let someone have that spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted March 15, 2003 I'm not talking about Armageddon. I'm saying if we knew that HHH had an injured neck and was going into Mania and we knew he was going to drop the belt to Booker. People would be too busy orgasming over the fact that he was hurt and complaining that he wouldn't step aside to let someone have that spot. I have to agree here. The double-standerd is so thick... you can cut it with a knife. Oh and if the Undertaker did this, despite being more over then the majority of the SmackDown roster combined, you guys would throw a hissy fit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest the pinjockey Report post Posted March 15, 2003 I would have to disagree with that. I dont think anyone would have a problem if HHH was going to be gone a year with a career-threatening injury with going into an already scheduled major WM match to put someone else over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest godthedog Report post Posted March 15, 2003 I'm not talking about Armageddon. I'm saying if we knew that HHH had an injured neck and was going into Mania and we knew he was going to drop the belt to Booker. People would be too busy orgasming over the fact that he was hurt and complaining that he wouldn't step aside to let someone have that spot. this is the most retarded thing ever. if trips was wrestling with an injury to put over booker t, NOBODY would call him selfish for hogging the main event slot. everybody would either be saying "good for him" or "it's about damn time he put someone over." does anybody call shawn michaels selfish for dropping the belt to austin when he was hurt, saying "he should have given the wrestlemania main event slot to somebody else"? no. no one in the history of wrestling has ever argued that. because it's retarded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dangerous A Report post Posted March 16, 2003 I told you all I'd be back with some info from the Observer and here it is regarding Angle: Dr Youngblood in San Antonio sent a memo to the WWE saying that after examining Angle that HE SHOULD NEVER WRESTLE ANOTHER MATCH AGAIN!! The reason for this is because he needs FOUR vertabrae fused, which would end just about anybody's career. Angle is opting to get two fused, like Benoit, Edge, and Austin and then hoping that the other two will heal up. The other two vertabrae will eventually need to be operated on and after that his career will be over. Another note is that Austin's neck is killing him and he can only work an HBK like schedule. He is also said to be very disappointed in his Raw debut. This is the shittiest 2 weeks of news in awhile. Angle should really think about retirement before he ends up like Dynamite Kid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted March 16, 2003 Austin should be dissapointed- he sucks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest godthedog Report post Posted March 18, 2003 this really really sucks. michaels will probably retire after wrestlemania...austin most likely won't be around this time next year...rocky's leaving for hollywood...trips & taker have maybe 2 years left in them before they fall apart completely...and now angle. who's going to be left? brock's a given. booker's getting near retirement. benoit's getting up there in years. jericho will NEVER EVER be allowed to be on top. this is so depressing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted March 18, 2003 RVD? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Danny Dubya v 2.0 Report post Posted March 19, 2003 Anyone wanna start a bet on whether they fuse the rosters back together or not before they finally go out of business? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted March 19, 2003 this really really sucks. michaels will probably retire after wrestlemania. You say that like it's a bad thing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted March 19, 2003 Austin should be dissapointed- he sucks this coming from someone who has an unreasonable fandom for steven regal, a man with NO great wwf matches under his belt. as for Dangerous A's assertion that Angle could end up like Dynamite Kid, Tom Zenk made that comparison in his latest column. as for the Angle-Lesnar match, we act as if Angle hasn't been working with a fucked neck. RR against Benoit? Last months handicap match, etc. I doubt this neck thing is an overnight phenomenon. The only difference is that we are aware of the situation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Banky Report post Posted March 19, 2003 this really really sucks. michaels will probably retire after wrestlemania...austin most likely won't be around this time next year...rocky's leaving for hollywood...trips & taker have maybe 2 years left in them before they fall apart completely...and now angle. who's going to be left? brock's a given. booker's getting near retirement. benoit's getting up there in years. jericho will NEVER EVER be allowed to be on top. this is so depressing. C-E-N-A Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted March 19, 2003 Austin should be dissapointed- he sucks this coming from someone who has an unreasonable fandom for steven regal, a man with NO great wwf matches under his belt. as for Dangerous A's assertion that Angle could end up like Dynamite Kid, Tom Zenk made that comparison in his latest column. as for the Angle-Lesnar match, we act as if Angle hasn't been working with a fucked neck. RR against Benoit? Last months handicap match, etc. I doubt this neck thing is an overnight phenomenon. The only difference is that we are aware of the situation. What's your point goodhelmet? This discussion is not about William Regal so what does bringing him up do? Have I ever mentioned that he has had **** classics since coming into the WWF/E? No. You basically seem like you have no way to counter my point so you just go: Well you like Wrestler X so you're opinion doesn't matter! I don't like Austin since he's been back because he's just been bland. His interviews have been pretty boring and it just seems like the cool bad ass Stone Cold isn't there anymore. It just doesn't feel like the same old Stone Cold Steve Austin. And I totally agree with Banky on Cena- The guy's rap gimmick is really starting to make me a fan and I think they need to build him up after Mania and prep him for the rematch against Brock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted March 19, 2003 My point is that you shouldn't be in any position to state who sucks and who doesn't when you have unreasonably defended william regal on this board numerous times. as for the austin character, he's been feuding with friggin eric bischoff for chrissakes and had no real matches to date so to say he sucks is actually unjustified. now, if you wanna say that his gut looks mighty big then there you go! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CanadianChick Report post Posted March 19, 2003 Saying that Austin sucks right now is a bit premature. And this is coming from probably one of the more Anti-Austin people on this board. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted March 19, 2003 I have defended him about 9 million times so I will do so again- I like his in ring work. I know he is not near the level he was in 1993 but I still enjoy most of his matches. I've thought the Commonwealth Connection's matches have been underrated- I thought the No Way Out match was a very good match despite Kane almost killing Regal. His promos are top-notch. He can cut serious menacing promos (see 1.10.02), He can be funny (2.23.02 Sunday Night Heat) or he can read people the riot act. (5.17.01) The guy has the ability to get over as a face or heel. He got huge face pops for bitch out Triple H when at the time he was a heel. I don't think he's one of the top workers in WWE but to me he's the most entertaining. I love his methodical style, I love his promos, hell I even how he wipes his feet on the way to the ring. I've missed him a lot since he's been off TV and I really hope this bloated stomach ailment quickly so the Commonwealth Connection can be back and kicking ass. Austin's promos have just put me to sleep. The Rock is totally outclassing him on the mike. I just think part of the 'edge' from the original SCSA is gone and I feel he sucks. He's not entertaining me in the slightest. Hopefully he can turn it around though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted March 19, 2003 Saying that Austin sucks right now is a bit premature. And this is coming from probably one of the more Anti-Austin people on this board. Austin has SUCKED since his return maybe a better way of putting it. I also was getting bored with the guy last year- He's just too stale and too boring. He's done the act so long that 'Stone Cold hates the guy in charge' is no longer interesting to watch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CanadianChick Report post Posted March 19, 2003 Oh, I agree, I think that the SCSA is incredibly boring. But I think I'll save my judgement until he wrestles, ya know, cause he's a wrestler and all. But I'm keeping my expectations low because, quite honestly, I've never been a big fan of Austin's ring work in WWF/WWE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted March 19, 2003 With his neck problems I don't think he'll be that good. He was really getting lazy in 2002 (but then again it could've been unmotivation) Hopefully he'll have a fire lit under his ass again and he'll be able to tear it up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted March 19, 2003 i agree with you about the program he is in BUT I don't think that is Austin's fault. There is a reason he is lobbying for the writers to have less involvement with promos and storylines. As for last year, whether you agreed with his motives or not, it is perfectly understandable to see why he was lackluster in his last few months. I completely agree with Canadian Chick. Lets watch the man in a "real" match first then come to judgment. As for your points defending Regal, his interviews were adequate, maybe his mannerisms will catch your eye BUT if those things don't translate into quality ringwork then who fucking cares? There's a reason people worship at Benoit's feet. He doesn't have to do any talking outside of the ring. He doesn't have to work a specific style. He goes out there and leaves it in the ring like it should be. It's no coincidence that the only watchable match involving Regal in the last 5 years is thanks to Benoit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CanadianChick Report post Posted March 19, 2003 Another thing: why another Rock/Austin match? I am not excited for the match at all, but that could just be me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted March 19, 2003 Why would Austin come back if they were just gonna throw him into Evil Owner v. Redneck Rebel storyline. He has obviously has leverage so you think he would try for something different. Ringwork isn't everything to me. I watch to be entertained and Regal is the one who entertains me the most. I think Regal has more then one watchable match in the last 5 years but I LOVE the Pillman match- I wish they could've done a feud when Regal entered the WWF. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites