Guest Sakura Report post Posted March 15, 2003 But what are some other wrestler's records to compare? Who else you'd like to know? Just as a comparrison, although I haven't done a break down of clean wins and losses like I did with HHH, Kurt Angle 17-17-4 in the past year in singles and Chris Jericho is 14-17-2. Rock, Austin, Undertaker and maybe Hogan would be probably be interesting like HHH's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted March 15, 2003 So HHH has not lost a match clean that was a straight 1-on-1 match with no gimmicks, no stipulations, no interference in the past year. So hhh's last clean loss was at the October '96 "Buried Alive" ppv? He lost Summerslam 97 clean, but that was cage-riffic. Just PPV-wise, his last clean loss (No gimmick) might have been the final four PPV vs. Rocky. Well technically speaking his match with Undertaker Wrestlemania X-7 would be considered a non-stipulation match and he lost clean but a lot of that match took place outside of the ring and pretty much turned into a street fight/no-DQ match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 15, 2003 Hogan has won like 5 matches. Rock was in like 5. And did anyone else notice that OMG HE'S BEING PUSHED OMG~! Kurt Angle is floundering around .500? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sakura Report post Posted March 15, 2003 Yes, we all noticed. You tell us enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 15, 2003 But now I have PROOF~! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted March 15, 2003 But what are some other wrestler's records to compare? Who else you'd like to know? Just as a comparrison, although I haven't done a break down of clean wins and losses like I did with HHH, Kurt Angle 17-17-4 in the past year in singles and Chris Jericho is 14-17-2. Rock, Austin, Undertaker and maybe Hogan would be probably be interesting like HHH's. One thing to remember heels almost always lose more than faces and that's why I used Angle & Jericho as examples. To be fair, and this might surprise some people, Rob Van Dam is 29-14-1 over the past year but again he is a face and he is 0-3 against HHH in singles. But since you asked and these again are straight up wins and losses in singles matches: Rock is 8-2-1, Austin is 5-1, Undertaker is 16-6-3, and Hogan is 5-5. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 15, 2003 Rock is 8-2-1, Austin is 5-1, Undertaker is 16-6-3, and Hogan is 5-5. Hogan, Austin and Rock all missed at least six months. But hey, Taker won more than he lost. I wonder if that is standard practice for main eventers? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted March 15, 2003 Hogan has won like 5 matches. Rock was in like 5. And did anyone else notice that OMG HE'S BEING PUSHED OMG~! Kurt Angle is floundering around .500? Angle's record was much worse at one point but his push as champ has helped a lot as he is 8-1-1 over his last 10 matches. I didn't count the first "match" with Brock where Heyman whacked him with a chair 5 seconds in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted March 15, 2003 Rock is 8-2-1, Austin is 5-1, Undertaker is 16-6-3, and Hogan is 5-5. Hogan, Austin and Rock all missed at least six months. But hey, Taker won more than he lost. I wonder if that is standard practice for main eventers? Well again faces win out more than heels typically but funny thing about Undertaker during the early part of the last year when he was a heel he was 10-1-1 at one point but as a face he's only 6-5-3 but part of that probably because when he was the champ he was heel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 15, 2003 Hogan has won like 5 matches. Rock was in like 5. And did anyone else notice that OMG HE'S BEING PUSHED OMG~! Kurt Angle is floundering around .500? Angle's record was much worse at one point but his push as champ has helped a lot as he is 8-1-1 over his last 10 matches. I didn't count the first "match" with Brock where Heyman whacked him with a chair 5 seconds in. Yeah I was somewhat aware of that. I noticed he went from KoTR to Summerslam with something like two wins. And the fall wasn't nice to him either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted March 15, 2003 Here is Angle's match listing and results for the past year. I'm listing singles matches only for him just for time reasons. March 25 Raw vs. Rob Van Dam for IC Title, no contest due to ref being knocked out and eventual Edge interference April 4 Smackdown vs. Edge, loses by DQ due to use of chair April 11 Smackdown vs. HHH, loses by interference by Hulk Hogan April 21 Backlash PPV vs. Edge, wins clean May 19 Judgement Day PPV vs. Edge in a Hair vs. Hair match, loses clean May 30 Smackdown vs. Edge in a cage match, loses clean, Hulk Hogan interferred but didn't have a direct effect on pinfall June 6 Smackdown vs. Hardcore Holly, wins clean June 15 Velocity vs. Hardcore Holly, wins clean June 20 Smackdown vs. Undertaker, wins by interference by HHH June 23 King of the Ring vs. Hulk Hogan, wins clean June 27 Smackdown vs. John Cena, wins clean July 4 Smackdown vs. Undertaker for the Undisputed WWE Title, draw/no contest due to a double pin/submission finish July 18 Smackdown vs. The Rock, loses by DQ when Undertaker ran in and took out Rock July 21 Vengeance PPV vs. Undertaker & The Rock in a triple threat match for the Undisputed WWE title, loses clean July 25 Smackdown vs. Mark Henry, loses by DQ when Brock Lesnar ran in and took out Henry August 1 Smackdown vs. Hulk Hogan, loses by DQ due to use of chair August 8 Smackdown vs. John Cena, loses by DQ when Chris Benoit rus in and takes out Cena August 15 Smackdown vs. Mark Henry, wins clean August 22 Smackdown vs. Billy Kidman, loses by DQ when he is counted out while going after Rey Mysterio August 25 SummerSlam PPV vs. Rey Mysterio, wins clean August 29 Smackdown vs. Undertaker & Chris Benoit in a triple threat match, loses but is not pinned September 12 Smackdown vs. Rey Mysterio, wins clean September 22 Unforgiven PPV vs. Chris Benoit, loses clean September 26 Smackdown vs. Rey Mysterio & Chris Benoit in a triple threat match, loses but is not pinned October 3 Smackdown vs. Edge, loses due to interference by Chris Benoit October 24 Smackdown vs. Chris Benoit, loses due to interference by Los Guerreros October 31 Smackdwon vs. Eddie Guerrero, loses due ot interference by Chris Benoit November 14 Smackdown vs. Chris Benoit, no contest due to interference by Los Guerreros and Edge & Rey Mysterio November 21 Smackdown vs. Eddie Guerrero, wins clean December 5 Smackdown vs. Edge, Chris Benoit, & Eddie Guerrero in a 4-way elimination match, wins clean December 15 Armageddon vs. Big Show for WWE Title, wins by interference by Brock Lesnar December 19 Smackdown vs. Chris Benoit (non-title), loses by DQ when Big Show runs in and takes out Benoit January 19 Royal Rumble vs. Chris Benoit for WWE Title, wins clean January 23 Smackdwon vs. Rey Mysterio (non-title) wins clean February 6 Smackdown vs. Chris Benoit (not sure if this was a title match or not), wins clean February 27 Smackdown vs. Brian Kendrick, wins clean March 13 Smackdown vs. Brock Lesnar for WWE Title, wins due to switching with Eric Angle to steal pinfall Angle was 14-4 in matches that had a "clean" finish. He was 3-11 in matches with a "dusty" finish which includes a whopping 7 DQ losses which is really what hurt is record. Throw in were two triple threat match losses in which he wasn't pinned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted March 15, 2003 Angle was pinned in the Vengeance triple threat. That's how Undertaker's title reign ended. With someone else jobbing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 15, 2003 Angle didn't win either Bob Holly match clean. Of course, it's the same way he lost the first Benoit match, so however you want to figure that. He also lost clean to Rey the same night he was DQed with Cena Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Superstar Report post Posted March 15, 2003 Ugh. You HAD to bring up the Mark Henry match, didn't you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 15, 2003 That Mark Henry match didn't leave me happy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Superstar Report post Posted March 15, 2003 June 6 Smackdown vs. Hardcore Holly, wins clean June 15 Velocity vs. Hardcore Holly, wins clean And weren't those the ones where Angle had to use the ropes for the pin? Bob "SPARK PLUG" Holly wouldn't even tap out to the Ankle Lock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 15, 2003 June 6 Smackdown vs. Hardcore Holly, wins clean June 15 Velocity vs. Hardcore Holly, wins clean And weren't those the ones where Angle had to use the ropes for the pin? Bob "SPARK PLUG" Holly wouldn't even tap out to the Ankle Lock. SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP! I had just about gotten this ot of my head. And want to know the worst part? Angle did all that so they could put Test over Holly clean. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Superstar Report post Posted March 15, 2003 June 6 Smackdown vs. Hardcore Holly, wins clean June 15 Velocity vs. Hardcore Holly, wins clean And weren't those the ones where Angle had to use the ropes for the pin? Bob "SPARK PLUG" Holly wouldn't even tap out to the Ankle Lock. SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP! I had just about gotten this ot of my head. And want to know the worst part? Angle did all that so they could put Test over Holly clean. Oh, but the point was to create a spectacular match. The original plan was to have Angle vs. HOLLY at King of the Ring, and he would win by making Angle tap to his own Ankle Lock. But the plan changed, unfortunately Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted March 15, 2003 Angle was pinned in the Vengeance triple threat. That's how Undertaker's title reign ended. With someone else jobbing. No I did count the triple threat loss at Vengeance in the clean losses but he had two other triple threat matches on Smackdown this past year where he didn't win but wasn't pinned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted March 15, 2003 Angle didn't win either Bob Holly match clean. Of course, it's the same way he lost the first Benoit match, so however you want to figure that. He also lost clean to Rey the same night he was DQed with Cena I counted them as clean wins because using the ropes or tights is perfectly acceptable heel wrestling. The Rey loss came in a 6-man tag match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted March 15, 2003 I'd just like to backtrack a little and say maybe, well..HHH has been champion for quite some time now as we all know, and um the champ usually wins a lot otherwise they aren't the champ anymore, correct? so the W-L record shouldn't even generate that much controversy or anger, except that well it's HHH and we're suppose to hate him. I find it easier to just ignore him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted March 15, 2003 The whole point of the winning heel is to put over the top face. In 99/00 HHH was the winning heel and he never put over the top face. He didn't put over Jericho. Hell, he didn't put over Angle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted March 15, 2003 winning or losing doesn't really mean that much in wrestling though, when you think about it. it's more about how a feud is done and how it gets over with an audience, isn't it? Then who gets the final blowoff win in the feud is the person that profits from it. That's what makes HHH who he is, but not the win-loss record. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted March 15, 2003 ...And NO ONE gets the best of HHH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted March 16, 2003 well yeah, that too. except for Rock and Austin. And occassionally Taker. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted March 16, 2003 Austin never got the best of HHH. Rock still gets buried by HHH on the mic whenever possible - and HHH destroying Jericho doesn't really help matters after Rock lost to him half a dozen times. Taker does though... but HHH just no sells it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mole Report post Posted March 16, 2003 Angle-Plex forgot to mention the whole point of the post on 1wrestling. Dave was comparing the difference between Booker T's record and Triple-Juice's. I can't find the rest of the report at 1wrestling, but it basically said that Booker T has had more matches than Juice, but less TV time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
