In defense of part 1(slight spoiler)

[Guest Ripper]

Its not all politics.  I see people getting bent out of shape over the making of Mondays handicap match a 3-way.  Some people truely believe that Stephanie Mcmahon is going to write herself in as winning the title.  Shes the head booker right?  She must be doing it.  

 

The point of the 3 way on monday is to stack the odds against HHH.  Everyone is convienietly ignoring the part of the spoilers that shows Jerhico realizing that he can just pin Stephanie to win the title.  Steph isn't even ment to be a threat in the match, just a plot device for Jerhico to have the edge.

 

Now...do I enjoy seeing Stepanie on television SO much...no...but in truth, she is one of the most automatically over heels in the company and it is justifiable that she is there to some extent.  The only Heel that rivals the heat she gets from the deadest of crowds is Vince Mcmahon.  THAT is why they frequent television so much.  It is common sense that they would, wether we like it or not.  

 

Stephanie McMahoan has become the easiest target for critism now, and for the most part it is not deserved.  People blame her for the state of show today, they blame her for HHH push, they blame her for basically everything that they don't like on the show. "She's the Head Writer, it must be her".

 

Stephanie McMahon overlooks the writing staff....That is her job.  She takes the ideas that the writers write and give them to Vince.  She is NOT a writer.  The WRITING STAFF writes the shows... She is basically getting blamed for holding a glorified management position over the writing crew.  

 

Now some people chose to ignore what her job REALLY is, and if you are one of these people, fine.  You believe that everything you are seeing on televison started from Steph sitting there with a pad and pen, then giving it to Vince who automatically makes it happen.  Its a little naive, but fine.  If that is the case, why is it there is no Stephanie praise everytime a great promo is cut?  Do you think Flair is coming up with his lines off the top of his head?  I don't see a single "Steph did a great job there" from anyone anytime that something good happens on television.  No, we only see her name when someone is unhappy about something.  It must be Stephanies fault.  

 

The really sad thing to me is to seemingly intellegent people have basically started refering to Stephanie as her character.  She is refered to as the squecky voice bitchy, slut that is destroying the WWF as if she is like that in real life.  People, diffrenciate between reality and the world of the WWF.  Some are letting their hate for a persons character bleed over into the real world and blind you to the fact that you ignore logic and assume that she is destroying.  Realistically, Vince McMahon should always be the first and foremost target for critisism, seeing how everything that is on the show goes through him.  The WRITERS should come second.  Not the person that overlooks it.  You don't blame the officer that takes the decision to the judge for a dumb decision by a jury...you blame the jury.  After that, there are many more places you can go to before you realistically blame Stephanie.  The most blame I can put on her is not outright refusing to be on screen so much.  

 

Not saying she is saintly by any means, but she doesn't deserve half the blame she gets for shitty television.  

 

 

 

Ripper: thinking that if this doesn't get him flamed enough, he'll certainly make up for it for the defense of Test.

[Guest converge241]

The point of the 3 way on monday is to stack the odds against HHH.  

 

not so much a flame, but why would they have HHH ask for steph to be in the match? To stack the odds against himself? I dont think its to stack the odds against HHH (usually Vince or someone would make the match on TV). I think its the fact that HHH wants to beat Steph some more and give the crowd what they want.

[Guest mastermind]

Well, it's all nice and dandy to think Stephanie doesn't have any influence, but I really doubt it since she started to over see the writing there has been a lot more woman being involved in storylines for no #### reason. I will state again what the #### was the purpose of Debra in the main event storyline last year? Yeah, Matt and Lita's storyline has really lit up the television sets.

 

Anyways, Triple H can beat up Steph without putting her in a match, so that's not a reason for the match. Linda Mcmahon said on the business of sports on TSN that the wwf LISTENS to their audience. Yeah, right did you hear how much the fans wanted Vince and Stephanie off tv. That's not just the small smark community voicing their opinion either. That's not heel heat either. People are JUST TIRED of the Mcmahons hogging time. I guess Ric Flair's a liar as he said 95% of his interviews aren't scrripted he does it off his head. Landsberg the sportcaster took him to task and Flair did a promo right on the spot to prove otherwise.

 

If the wwf is using the match to split the titles I really think Kurt Angle as the third person makes the most sense. He has history with Triple H and Stephanie and Steph using him to fight for her along with Jericho to keep her in the wwf helps out the WRESTLERS more. They could even split the #### titles easier with both Angle and Jericho pinning Triple H or any other such combination. The scary thing is that this match is announced on the same night that the wwf is changing their format which can easily be a storyline tool. There is need to worry Stephanie will win the title. Before I wouldn't question it, but not this current wwf staff.

 

I also think the wwf should have done some controversy with the world title at Mania which could have explained Linda's announcement better.

[Guest Ripper]

True, but HHH was making it a HANDICAP match so that he could beat up and pin Steph, thus getting rid of her.  By Steph making it a 3-WAY match, it puts HHH at the disadvantage because Jerhico can just pin Steph and win the title.  Leading into Wrestlemania, they used that fact that Jerhico beat the crap out of his leg to stack the odds, they are now using the possiblity that Steph could just lay down for Jerhico, and HHH would lose.  That ALL it is.

[Guest Ripper]

Flair can come up with some great promos off the top of his head, true, but the ones he has been cutting on WWF TV are SCRIPTED.  Are you saying they just let Ric go out there and say what he wants and they build the storyline around that.  

 

All I am saying is this, if you are going to give Steph credit for the bad, you have to give her credit for the good.  Me personally, I give her credit for neither.  You can't have it both ways.  You can't see bad TV and say its all Stephs fault because she is in charge, then turn around and say "that wrestler cut a great promo, he's great". Either you think Steph is writing everything or not, there is no middle ground.

[Guest notJames]

I also think the wwf should have done some controversy with the world title at Mania which could have explained Linda's announcement better.

You've probably heard this already, but in case you didn't, Vince was supposed to run in during the Austin match and either cause a DQ or a loss for the Rattlesnake. This in turn was to be the impetus for Linda saying that Vince had gone too far and needs to be reigned in, hence splitting the Fed and putting a cap on his power. Supposedly, Austin ixnayed the proposal in favour of getting the clean win over Hall, thus negating the overall plan and forcing Linda to give the speech she gave.

 

As for defending Steph, although I too have been disappointed with the direction of the Fed lately, I would be hard-pressed to be able to prove that she is the end-all be-all cancer that everyone says she is. I'd have to hear it from her or Vince or someone not connected to a wrestling website for total confirmation. Until then, I'm just going to watch the show, complain when she's on, and hope for the best. (Lesnar and Heyman are definitely making the glass look half full right now)

 

$0.02

[Guest buffybeast]

"Now...do I enjoy seeing Stepanie on television SO much...no...but in truth, she is one of the most automatically over heels in the company and it is justifiable that she is there to some extent.  The only Heel that rivals the heat she gets from the deadest of crowds is Vince Mcmahon.  THAT is why they frequent television so much.  It is common sense that they would, wether we like it or not."

 

True.  But I think if one of the other superstars were given the time, attention, and massive push Stephanie has received, then they'd be over, too.

[Guest converge241]

True.  But I think if one of the other superstars were given the time, attention, and massive push Stephanie has received, then they'd be over, too.

 

AMEN brother! I wholeheadetly agree

[Guest mastermind]

Oh I agree about people blaming everything bad on Stephanie and people using her on air character to lambast her writing skills, but come on it's human nature for her to put herself into storylines like she has been in. This is my reasoning. At WM 5 Elizabeth was a centrepiece to the Mega-Powers break up. She had no real effect on the outcome of the match or the shenanigans like Lucy the dog. Why? She wasn't over seeing the writing and wasn't the boss' daughter. Fast forward to WM 7 and Liz again is a centrepiece. She was only used in the last segment of the Warrior/Savage match. Sherri was apart of the match, but she didn't get all over the screen. WM 8 the angle was BASED on Liz, but all that extra curricular stuff happened after the match. Do you think we wouldn't have seen Steph on the big screen? I do. Why? She is over seeing the writing and human nature she would put herself on tv a lot because it's tv. Last year the angle had Debra in it and she was quickly dropped. If Steph was in it do you think she wouldn't have any kind of focal point at WM? Nope. Why don't we see Jazz or any other diva on tv as much as Stephanie? Not to even say she is that much better a heel because they aren't given the chance Steph was. She is INFLUENCING the writing of storylines, but probably not the booking of match finishes and whatnot.

 

Remember Russo was head writer and he took all the praise upon himself about shock tv. So, it's kind of natural to say she is writing this stuff. I agree you can't blame her for all the bad stuff and no praise for the good stuff, but when reports come out saying UT/Flair's build up was done by Heyman(Ross said it was on Off the Record) you have to wonder. When it's reported Triple H has some say in his storylines and he has Steph headwriting I would tend to think she has something to do with dog poop on the show.

 

As for Flair and his "script" wrestlers(especially the top mic men) have said that they are given points they have to hit, but are told to ad lib. I have no doubt in my mind the wwf has scripted Flair to say that he LIED about being in the best company and being the real world's champion. I mean that's just outright blasphemy for Flair to go back on his company titles like that. He was made in the nwa. However, don't you think Flair might have ad libbed the part of Vince telling him how to wrestle for WM 8? Heyman was also said to have ad libbed about Vince stealing his ideas. Austin 3:16 was also an ad lib.

[Guest Human Fly]

Just to have Stephanie in the match to stack the odds is a poor excuse to put her in the match. There are so many other ways that the deck could be stacked againt Triple H without involving Stephanie. If Steph was going to lay down for Jericho then maybe I could buy that. But, does anybody really think that is going to happen? Even if she loses how long will she be gone? I'm betting after the split she'll show up on tv 3 weeks later on Smackdown! saying something about how she lost on Raw which is Ric Flair program, but she can be a Smackdown!

[Guest Ripper]

But Heyman gets to produce segments because Heyman is on the writing staff....he is a writer.   And while yes, back in the day, the women were nothing more than "Just stand there and smile" characters times changed and long before stephanie.  Rember back when Chyna was pulling a "lita" in every HHH match so he could win.  She could be handcuffed to a cage hanging from Sgt. Slaughters chin and she would still be involved in  EVERY MATCH.  And it works like that for every "diva" in the WWF.  Lita will cheat, Stacy will have the gratuitus ass shot, Trish would kiss who ever was on the opposing side,...the women are not there to just stand around anymore.  Since Sherri and Missy started breaking out the brick purse, they have been involved, so to say that Steph getting envolved in matches is proof of her writing the show, thats a little one sided.

[Guest Human Fly]

Women cheating for their wrestler has always been a part of wrestling, but Sherri Martel was never in a World title match. Stacy pulling her pants down in a match and Stephanie wrestling in an Undisputed title match aren't even in the same league. If Stephanie was just getting "involved" in matches I wouldn't have a problem, it's when she is the match.

[Guest dreamer420]

I see Jericho pinning Stephanie and winning the titles back or HHH finished off Steph once and for all with a pedigree and pinning her.

[Guest Ripper]

Ah, but Chyna wrestled in her share of 3 way matchs and a match for number 1 contender.  As far as I know, Chyna wasn't writing the shows.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

True, but HHH was making it a HANDICAP match so that he could beat up and pin Steph, thus getting rid of her.  By Steph making it a 3-WAY match, it puts HHH at the disadvantage because Jerhico can just pin Steph and win the title.  Leading into Wrestlemania, they used that fact that Jerhico beat the crap out of his leg to stack the odds, they are now using the possiblity that Steph could just lay down for Jerhico, and HHH would lose.  That ALL it is.

Here's what I don't get: When and how did HHH get to make his own matches? And how can Steph make her own stips in matches, too? ####, Steph sold her stock, so she can't dictate terms to people and Hunter can't make matches on the fly either or else Jericho would have done it while he was Undisputed Champion.

[Guest converge241]

uh oh APO, be careful you are going into the mouth of madness trying to figure out that logic of Steph and HHH being able to book their own matches and the ownership/commisoner status. That is a tangeled web.

 

Maybe they just thought they were in a booking meeting and could set things up as how they see fit, forgetting they were in character  ???  ???