Why don't you like HHH? (Logically)

[Guest Redhawk]

Just to play Devil's advocate: Is HHH really all that bad? He knows how to work and has had some excellent matches in his career, which is more than you can probably say for some other smark-hated stars (Goldberg, 3MW, Big Show). He's got charisma, which is more than you can say for guys like Batista or Test. And he's been over with fans as both a heel and a babyface, so he has versatility. Sure, he's a political SOB, but what wrestler wouldn't be if given the opportunity? You don't think Chris Benoit would want to book himself as a long-reigning champion? Furthermore, who is he taking the spotlight away from? I don't see anyone on RAW, besides for maybe Jericho, who could step in and be the No. 1 heel and a credible champion.

 

So why's he so hated? And try to be logical and not just say, "Cuz he sucks."

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

"You don't think Chris Benoit would want to book himself as a long-reigning champion? "

 

No. I don't. At all.

 

HHH stands in the way of other wrestlers and therefore hurts the product....all while sucking in the ring. And my monkey pisses on his very name.

[Guest El Satanico]

It's simple

 

He's not entertaining and has shitty matches

 

 

He wasn't widely hated before his injury when :gasp: he was still having decent matches and was somewhat entertaining

 

Me personaly...I never liked him and never got why everyone went nuts over him during those two decent years he had.

[Guest the pinjockey]

His BS and being shoved down our throats was passable in 2000 when they were putting on great matches and he was new to the ME scene so it wasnt bad. But now he is not 1/4 of the wrestler he used to be, he plays the cool heel more often than before when he actually played a heel, and add in the fact he can't have a good sustained feud because noone is shown to be at his level as an equal.

[Guest Choken One]

Damn It...I don't get this....You claim you hate the motherfucker and yet it's all you talk about....

[Guest the pinjockey]

Oh and add in the fact that he is continuing to hold the belt when he just wrestled his first singles match on Raw in months last week. If he can't go he should not be holding a belt.

[Guest El Satanico]

um...a HHH "hater" didn't start this thread

[Guest Choken One]

I am refering to the other "HHH Haters" who replied...

 

It just seems we only talk about HHH, Bret getting screwed, and Goldberg sucks...

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

So wait...we're not allowed to respond to a question that is obviously aimed at us?

 

No offense...but that's pretty fucking stupid.

[Guest converge241]

i just hate the fact that he used to be so good but got so concerned about bulking up, leading to the injuries, leading to the plodding in ring style

 

i make a lot of HHH jokes but thats based on the bad perception of him here , just as a joke

[Guest El Satanico]

This thread is asking why we "HHH haters" hate HHH so what did you expect...

 

Should we talk about why most of us love Benoit in a thread asking why we hate HHH?

[Guest Choken One]

It's not stupid to answer it...I am just saying why do we always got to talk about why we hate him? It seems 75% of our threads are about HHHating or they all convert to HHHating....

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

There is an obvious answer for why that is and there is a less obvious answer.

 

Both of which are we discuss problems on this board and HHH is the biggest one.

[Guest RenegadeX28]

I started watching the WWF steady again back in August 1999. That was before the McMahon/Helmsley era was established. I really hated HHH, but as part of his angles. He was a MEGA heel. He got away with virtually everything. It was an amazing moment when Vince turned on Rock at WM2000, and continued the angle until Backlash 2000, when Austin made an appearance, stunnered everybody, and HHH lost. What a great storyline!

 

 

Then, the former HHH left us when he tore his quad in what could have been a great storyline. (Power Trip). When he came back....HHH was all over the place. Like others have said, he was shoved down our throats, he has seemingly made the World Heavyweight title crappy, etc.

[Bored 0]

I think I can sum it up on this. Since his return back in January of last year HHH has jobbed clean to TWO wrestlers, Shawn Michaels and The Undertaker. If someone can find out the last clean job by HHH that wasn't to those two you get a cookie.

[Guest Choken One]

We need to define "Clean"...Hogan won "clean" didn't he?

[Guest treble charged]

While I don't doubt that many people on here actually do hate HHH, I have a feeling that a lot of people do it just because it's the 'cool' thing to do and they think that blaming HHH for everything is an easy way to fit in here quickly.

[Guest bob_barron]

His matches and promos generally bore me. He is not entertaining to watch most of the time.

[Guest HartFan86]

I started hating HHH at Judgment Day 2002...I still don't understand the point of him going over Jericho in the HIAC.

[Bored 0]

We need to define "Clean"...Hogan won "clean" didn't he?

Undertaker ran in and hit HHH with a chair so nope that wasn't clean. In fact HHH's job to Undertaker at the King of the Ring last year wasn't 100% clean because The Rock ran in during the match to attack Undertaker but accidently took out HHH but then eventually took out Taker as well so his interference was basically a wash and didn't effect the pinfall. I posed the question in Triple H Stats thread in what was HHH's last clean job in a straight up, no gimmick, no stipulation, no interference, 1-on-1 wrestling match and well no one knew. His job to Taker at Wrestlemania X-7 could be considered that as I don't believe their were in any stips going into the match but the match itself turned into a street fight/no-dq match.

[Guest Vitamin X]

I don't really hate HHH, in fact I'm mostly indifferent to him. He has an alright workrate, sometimes can be interesting on promos, and whatnot. However I just don't really care for him, in a Kane/Dudleyz sort of way. The wrestlers I really hate are the ones that are totally and completely incapable of providing any sort of entertainment to the product, such as Big Show, Albert, Rikishi, etc.

[Guest bob_barron]

We need to define "Clean"...Hogan won "clean" didn't he?

Undertaker ran in and hit HHH with a chair so nope that wasn't clean. In fact HHH's job to Undertaker at the King of the Ring last year wasn't 100% clean because The Rock ran in during the match to attack Undertaker but accidently took out HHH but then eventually took out Taker as well so his interference was basically a wash and didn't effect the pinfall. I posed the question in Triple H Stats thread in what was HHH's last clean job in a straight up, no gimmick, no stipulation, no interference, 1-on-1 wrestling match and well no one knew. His job to Taker at Wrestlemania X-7 could be considered that as I don't believe their were in any stips going into the match but the match itself turned into a street fight/no-dq match.

His loss to Taker was SO not clean.

 

He had the visionary pin like three times.

Got taken out with a chair.

And was pinned via low blow.

 

I would say HHH's job to Taker was clean. You could also say his casket match job to Kane was clean

[Bored 0]

We need to define "Clean"...Hogan won "clean" didn't he?

Undertaker ran in and hit HHH with a chair so nope that wasn't clean. In fact HHH's job to Undertaker at the King of the Ring last year wasn't 100% clean because The Rock ran in during the match to attack Undertaker but accidently took out HHH but then eventually took out Taker as well so his interference was basically a wash and didn't effect the pinfall. I posed the question in Triple H Stats thread in what was HHH's last clean job in a straight up, no gimmick, no stipulation, no interference, 1-on-1 wrestling match and well no one knew. His job to Taker at Wrestlemania X-7 could be considered that as I don't believe their were in any stips going into the match but the match itself turned into a street fight/no-dq match.

His loss to Taker was SO not clean.

 

He had the visionary pin like three times.

Got taken out with a chair.

And was pinned via low blow.

 

I would say HHH's job to Taker was clean. You could also say his casket match job to Kane was clean

Unless they had another casket match, which they may have and I just can't remember one off the top of my head, the one last October HBK interferred and hit the Sweet Chin Music on HHH and then Kane got up and put him in the casket so no that wasn't clean. Ya I would see your point on the King of the Ring loss not being clean and I've been kinda 50/50 on whether to conisder it clean or not.

 

Oh and to add IMO low blows and holing the ropes and such I think is just typical heel wreslting so I always count them as clean if that's the only thing they did but again just my opinion.

[Guest Will Scarlet]

As for me...

 

He bores me. Ever since the McMahon-Helmsley era, I have regretted hearing Triple H's promos. He is the type of wrestler better suited for short interviews, not 20 minutes snoozefests.

 

The outcomes of his matches are very predictable. I cannot get into a match where I know the wrestler I hate is going to win. Plus, it is not like him winning every time has given the belt any credibility in my eyes. It's a prop, the Triple H title. It's sort of like the Million Dollar title was to me in that it would not seem right for anyone else than Triple H to hold it. Of course, as long he feuds with useless slugs like Steiner and Kevin Nash, then I don't care that he holds it. It just holds no credibility to me, so it is hard to get into wrestlers I like going after it.

 

I also hate the verbal blowjobs the announcers give him, but, hey, c'est la vie.

[Guest Lightning Flik]

I started watching the WWF steady again back in August 1999. That was before the McMahon/Helmsley era was established. I really hated HHH, but as part of his angles. He was a MEGA heel. He got away with virtually everything. It was an amazing moment when Vince turned on Rock at WM2000, and continued the angle until Backlash 2000, when Austin made an appearance, stunnered everybody, and HHH lost. What a great storyline!

 

 

Then, the former HHH left us when he tore his quad in what could have been a great storyline. (Power Trip). When he came back....HHH was all over the place. Like others have said, he was shoved down our throats, he has seemingly made the World Heavyweight title crappy, etc.

^^^ That is almost my exact reason. *not going to use any jokes or childish stuff*

 

Hell, put me back that far in time, and I'd be saying Triple H was just as damn good as he said he was. I'll admit that I was one of this fans. Dammit, I'll even go so far to admit that I didn't think Kurt Angle was in his league back when Triple H was truly #1.

 

Yet after he came back, suddenly he wasn't the same guy that I used to cheer for. Sure, he was the same person, just he seemed pretty lost in the ring once he returned. He just seemed kinda like a Tough Enough contestant. Shit, when he had his first match, I just figured that he wasn't used to wrestling for so long.

 

Even his promos seemed wrong. They didn't seem like the Triple H I knew. He could make you hate him with his promos, and not use cheap tactics to get heel heat. Back then when Triple H finished a sentence, you'd boo his ass off. Now, he bores me to death because he doesn't really do anything truly heelish. I remember when he would get beat clean, and then go beat the living hell out of the guy just to send a message to the current guy he was feuding with.

 

...frankly, it's been a year or more and he still hasn't stepped up to his true Cerebrial Assassin form.

 

I guess I'm just more pissed off that my former favorite wrestler just doesn't really seem to try to actually show himself up. So I'm probably not a HHHater, but rather somebody who's just fed up with him slacking off for the better of a year (he has been injuried a few times during that year, so I'll take that away from the arguement).

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Why do I hate HHH? Well ignoring ALL backstage stuff.

He is terrible to watch in the ring and does not entertain me one bit. I do not want to ever see him on my TV as I can't stand his character, his promos, and his shitty matches. That's why I don't like HHH. Barring all backstage stuff of course.

[Guest Army Eye]

I think I can sum it up on this. Since his return back in January of last year HHH has jobbed clean to TWO wrestlers, Shawn Michaels and The Undertaker. If someone can find out the last clean job by HHH that wasn't to those two you get a cookie.

In that time frame show me ANY other main eventer that has jobbed clean more than twice.

 

Austin? (of course not).. Rock? (once?).. Undertaker? (once).. HBK? (once).. Lesnar? (laugh)

 

Even Scott Steiner who tasted the main event scene for a little while, and has pretty much been buried, has only jobbed clean once, to Booker T.

 

Even if you want to throw Hogan in there.. I think he jobbed clean to Rock and Angle and who else?

 

 

Sooner of later you guys have to face the reality that McMahon doesn't like ANY of his main event guys to lay down clean other than once in a blue moon.

[Guest KingOfOldSchool]

Just to play Devil's advocate: Is HHH really all that bad? He knows how to work and has had some excellent matches in his career, which is more than you can probably say for some other smark-hated stars (Goldberg, 3MW, Big Show). He's got charisma, which is more than you can say for guys like Batista or Test. And he's been over with fans as both a heel and a babyface, so he has versatility. Sure, he's a political SOB, but what wrestler wouldn't be if given the opportunity? You don't think Chris Benoit would want to book himself as a long-reigning champion? Furthermore, who is he taking the spotlight away from? I don't see anyone on RAW, besides for maybe Jericho, who could step in and be the No. 1 heel and a credible champion.

 

So why's he so hated? And try to be logical and not just say, "Cuz he sucks."

Is it that outside the realm of possibility to begin disliking someone after a noticible drop in their matches and abilities?

 

The point is he HAD excellent matches, but doesn't have them anymore. He WAS able to get over as a face or heel, but during his last face run, people began getting sick of him, and then during his current heel run, he struggles to keep or create heel heat. He WAS a good worker, but is now so bogged down by his muscles and weight, that it's just boring to watch him.

 

About his politicking. I honestly don't see the problem with politicking sometimes, because let's face it, it's gonna happen, and sometimes it needs to be done. But Triple H constantly using his position to stay at the top and constantly going over others noticibly hurts the shows and the business.

 

And he isn't taking the spotlight away from anyone. But only because he's not giving anyone a chance to stand in the spotlight first. Every viable main eventer had a cup of coffee at the top, only to be sent back down again, and what's the result? WWE now has to literally struggle for new programs, while HHH keeps looking good. This doesn't just concern those who can step in and be #1 heel, but everyone.

 

As for Benoit -- It's speculation, but no, I honestly don't believe he would. If it's good for the company, then Benoit would do the job.

[Bored 0]

Okay this is gonna make people laugh but by going strictly PPV's the last 100% clean as whistle job at a PPV by HHH, that wasn't to Shawn Michaels or Undertaker, was SEVEN YEARS AGO. At Wrestlemania XII he jobbed clean and was squashed in under two minutes by The Ultimate Warrior. Wow. Now granted he hasn't been in every PPV in that time and during the Russo Era how often did ANY matches end clean but wow just wow.

[Guest Midnight Express83]

I "hate" him for three reasons.

 

1: he is boring. His promos suck, his matches are all the same, he is trying to be Flair without a quarter of Flair's talent. He is on too damn much. He is the only person on RAW who I just completely hate. I rather watch 3MW because they atleast are short stints. HHH is atleast 20 mins.

 

2: He isn't has good as he used to be. Back in 2000, atleast his matches were watching. Which gave him something of a plus. But now all his matches are so "punch, punch, punch, face gets a punch or two, knee move, high knee, takes a bump, running knee to face move, takes a bump, takes a bump, closeline, running knee drop, sleeperhold, punch, takes a bump, punch, spinebuster, punch, kick to gut, Pedigree". Thats anywhere from 5 to 30 mins all doing that.

 

3: He is so worn down that he needs time off to heal but he would never let himself get healed up. Plus he needs to close 30 to 60 pounds so his quads, knees, and legs wouldn't be so fucked up. But as long as he is on the juice, he will keep being Cripple H.