Would it be so bad if the WWE died ?

[Guest Jimmy Saint]

Would it be that bad ? People if they actually cared about wrestling would go in pursuit of the good stuff and open their eyes to the rest of the world. Indies would explode in their regions and become territorys [hopefully].

 

 

Course some good guys would retire and some who don't really care much for the sport would give it up [Kurt Angle and The Rock] but the rest would carry on working in other places.

 

 

Dammit anything to break up the boring monoply WWE has in the states would be a good thing.

[Guest bob_barron]

Why do people think WWE is going to die tomorrow? It's not.

 

WWE dying would be a terrible blow for wrestling seeing as how it'd be very hard to watch wrestling anymore

[Guest Jimmy Saint]

I doubt it is but its a nice thought all the same.

 

 

 

and man its very easy to buy wrestling tapes from anywhere in the world if you want thanks to the magic of the internet as long as you have a credit card or paypal account.

[Guest Nanks]

If WWE died, the indies would cop a beating. For independent wrestling to be strong, there needs to be mainstream wrestling. The 60s & 70s are not coming back, "territory" wrestling is gone. Give up.

P.S. Why do you include Kurt Angle as "one who doesn't care that much for the sport"?? He's putting it all on the line by competing at Mania, seems to me he loves the business as much as anyone

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

In the long run it would be very good for wrestling. A lot like Noahs Ark. Everything would start again from the ground-up.

[Guest Nanks]

It's already started from the ground up, and this is what we've got to. We have one main company with most of the best wrestlers. Evolution has worked, (the theory, not the stable, that didn't fare quite as well). We have a fledgling business showing promise in NWA:TNA and several good indies breeding the next lot of stars in ROH, XPW, etc.

[Guest Anglesault]

Right. Angle doesn't give a fuck, yet he's risking his health and possibly life at Mania. Damn that uncaring, cold, self centered son of a bitch.

[Guest Jimmy Saint]

How would the indies be so hurt ? Your talking what 40-50 top workers flooding the US market looking for work.

 

Course a fair few would be off to Japan and Mexico but that still leaves alot for indies to build with.

 

 

You seem to think that wrestling would die in the US if the WWE died. While I think the true fan would stick with it and regions would build their own fanbases up.

 

 

 

 

Kurt Angle even if he was at 100% and the WWE died do you think he would work shows for the love of the sport ? The guy will get out of pro wrestling as soon as he can.

[Guest Anglesault]

Kurt Angle even if he was at 100% and the WWE died do you think he would work shows for the love of the sport ? The guy will get out of pro wrestling as soon as he can.

Yes. Quite obviously. That's why he worked on a bad knee for a yer and a half before getting surgery. That's why he gave up the Olympics. That' why he goes out there and puts on MOTN's reguarly. That's why he will wrestle Mania with a broken neck. Because he hates it and is dying to get out.

[Guest Nanks]

You delusional bastard. You really reckon most of the roster would just go, "oh well, off to ROH I go then now there's no WWE", pfft. The indies couldn't possibly support that kind of demand, financially or physically. This mindless "indie loving" to rebel against WWE is stupid. The true fan will stick with the product regardless, you'd lose the casual fan by dismantling the WWE.

P.S. You are going to cause Anglesault to have a conniption if you bash Kurt like this.

 

Edit: Too late, there he goes.

[Guest EternallyLazy]

The majority of American wrestling fans (and even non fans) view wrestling as WWE. You ask a random person if they're a fan of wrestling, they're going to most likely think you're talking about the WWE product. Without a strong company to keep interest going, the indies would die and so would wrestling period. Oh sure, you could say that over a slow period of time, regional territories would build up again, but you're forgetting that we live in a completely different time. When the regional territories were thriving (and building for that matter) kayfabe was still a rule, and wrestling wasn't as exposed as it is now. You had a few that knew it was fake, but there were so many people that thought it was real. That kind of atmosphere doesn't exist anymore

[Guest Jimmy Saint]

He is main eventing the biggest wrestling promotion in the world and getting paid alot for it of course he is gonna work injured.

 

 

 

I am talking about whether he loves the sport that he would be working small shows when his carreer in the WWE has gone. Face it he is a WWE creation who would never work anywhere else for a love of the sport.

 

Look at someone like Rickey Steamboat who will ref matches for obscure indies like japw or Dusty Rhodes who will dust of the boots and will work a few small shows when he is feeling restless. Neither need the money its in their blood.

 

Doubt the same is true of Kurt Angle and I doubt is gonna go down as legend with many because of it.

[Guest EternallyLazy]

Kurt Angle even if he was at 100% and the WWE died do you think he would work shows for the love of the sport ? The guy will get out of pro wrestling as soon as he can.

Yes. Quite obviously. That's why he worked on a bad knee for a yer and a half before getting surgery. That's why he gave up the Olympics. That' why he goes out there and puts on MOTN's reguarly. That's why he will wrestle Mania with a broken neck. Because he hates it and is dying to get out.

I kind of see what Jimmy Saint is driving at here... but I think he's forgetting that the driving point behind wrestling PERIOD is money.

 

"if you're not in it for the money, you're an idiot" - So sayeth the Brain

 

And those that are beating themselves up for nothing on the indy circuit are doing this because of a desire and dream to make it to WWE where the big money is. And for those out there who are ONLY doing it because they love it, and have no real desire to make money doing it... they're dumbfucks

[Guest Jimmy Saint]

You delusional bastard. You really reckon most of the roster would just go, "oh well, off to ROH I go then now there's no WWE", pfft. The indies couldn't possibly support that kind of demand, financially or physically.

NWA TNA, MLW, WWA and XPW would sure have a go signing them all.

 

They are all crazy enough to throw the cash about.

[Guest Lightning Flik]

NWA TNA, MLW, WWA and XPW would sure have a go signing them all.

 

They are all crazy enough to throw the cash about.

Excuse me? You think these guys have cash flows like the WWE? Are you bloody insane?

[Guest Nanks]

What else do you reckon Steamboat and Rhodes are going to do?? Open up a handbag store?? They're wrestlers, that's all they do. Not so much "undying, non-financially related love of the business" as much as they're not capable of anything else

[Guest Jimmy Saint]

No they could'nt pay the same salery as the WWE but what other option would alot of the workers have ?

 

They could all pay a healthy slab of cash for the work though.

[Guest EternallyLazy]

What else do you reckon Steamboat and Rhodes are going to do?? Open up a handbag store?? They're wrestlers, that's all they do. Not so much "undying, non-financially related love of the business" as much as they're not capable of anything else

Since when has Steamboat wrestled recently? And before his recent stint as NWA commissioner, what else has he done besides autograph signings?

[Guest Jimmy Saint]

What else do you reckon Steamboat and Rhodes are going to do?? Open up a handbag store?? They're wrestlers, that's all they do. Not so much "undying, non-financially related love of the business" as much as they're not capable of anything else

Thats my point.

 

Its the love of the sport.

 

Angle is missing it imo.

[Guest Nanks]

What???? That wasn't your point. Your point was that they don't have to do it, they just want to and are answering their "call". Fool. MY point is that they couldn't do anything else if they wanted to. They're still involved in wrestling because otherwise they'd be making a groove in their couches. Angle probably won't continue on until he's their age because frankly, the guy is tearing his body to shreds for the business right now. When it counts.

[Guest Jimmy Saint]

The majority of American wrestling fans (and even non fans) view wrestling as WWE. You ask a random person if they're a fan of wrestling, they're going to most likely think you're talking about the WWE product. Without a strong company to keep interest going, the indies would die and so would wrestling period. Oh sure, you could say that over a slow period of time, regional territories would build up again, but you're forgetting that we live in a completely different time. When the regional territories were thriving (and building for that matter) kayfabe was still a rule, and wrestling wasn't as exposed as it is now. You had a few that knew it was fake, but there were so many people that thought it was real. That kind of atmosphere doesn't exist anymore

Both are intelligent businessmen who are making money away from the wrestling scene since their retirements. They both HAVE made money outside the sport but they love the scene so they like to stay involved. Angle on the other hand will fuck off out of it as soon as he can imo.

 

 

 

 

EternallyLazy I missed this post above before but its a good one. I believe that kayfabe is'nt dead however much of a beating it has taken. Anyone from super smarts of the ROH shows to hillbilly rednecks viewing OVW can still be worked.

 

People will always watch wrestling anyway if its there imo whether they belive it or not.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

The WWE has sabotaged the wrestling industry. Their "There is the WWE and then there is everything else" approach as manipulated the fans into thinking that the WWE is wrestling and it has made them blind to other promotions. They could, right now, promote independant wrestling by featuring it on their shows and telling their fans to check out their local shows to 'see the stars of tomorrow'. But they don't and they won't. Not only do they tell their fans to "think WWE" they live it as well... It's perhaps the only time the WWE practices what they preach.

 

Wrestling will never die - as long as people want guilt-free violence, wrestling will always be there to fill that desire. It's been around for over a century, it will last well through the next. It would take a good 10 years before anything strong will come up and make it back to national television, but like any good thing, it takes time.

[Guest snuffbox]

some who don't really care much for the sport would give it up [Kurt Angle and The Rock]

Less than 50 posts...and with that, zero sense or credibillity.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Angle is willing to risk his life for wrestling - that's giving up something alright...

[Guest snuffbox]

As far as the topic goes, its not going to happen any time soon. WWE is still a billion dollar company, and its not hemmorhaging cash like WCW in its dying days. WWE is making money, outside of the restaurant in NY which is closing for that reason.

 

WWE needs to get its head out of its as, not die.

 

Smarks still love wrestling, thats why we bitch, we want to watch and enjoy all of it.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

WWE is a billion dollar company?

 

They didn't make enough money to cover a $30 million dollar loss (and don't pretend like WWENY failing is a non-issue. It wouldn't have lost money if people actually went there. People not going there is a very big issue)

 

Oh, and the WWE is STILL FALLING in almost every catagory of business.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

and man its very easy to buy wrestling tapes from anywhere in the world if you want thanks to the magic of the internet as long as you have a credit card or paypal account.

But I don't want to pay for wrestling!

 

I don't care enough about wrestling to pay for it unless it's something really special! This is why I don't watch TNA PPVs.

[Guest snuffbox]

I think the dropping of WWENY had more to do with stopping the losses than the WWE not being able to cover it.

 

Theres definitly a lull in business, but house show revenue is going up and ppv will probably increase with the extension(if only due to the amount of cards).

 

The losses hopefully will help to surgically remove Vince's skull from rectum.

 

I do not want the WWE to die, Ive been following religioulsy for 15 years.

[Guest Anglesault]

Hey, I went to WWF NY. Damned good Potato Skins.

[Invictus 0]

I honestly do not understand your line of thinking here. You obviously have some deep seated resentment towards Kurt Angle because you're blindly knocking him for what appears to be no good reason. Are you Kurt Angle? Do you have a magic crystal ball that tells you what Kurt Angle will do before he does it? All you are doing is speculating, yet you announce it as fact. Smarten up. Kurt Angle is more of a wrestler in the traditional sense than virtually anyone in professional wrestling today. The man IS wrestling, he's being doing it so long (I'm talking both amateur and Pro here) that you saying he has no love for wrestling is insane. He constantly works hurt in the WWE, while most superstars take time off for injuries. He wants to entertain the people doing what he loves, and he wants to do the right thing for business which is why he is wrestling and dropping the belt at Wrestlemania.

 

And there is no way in hell the indies could possibly handle the influx that the death of WWE would create. They don't have a quarter of the resources of WWE, they have no TV contract, nothing. Only die-hard fans would seek out the shows, and that would just lead to a slow death as no new fans would gain exposure to the product.