Secret Agent 0 Report post Posted March 24, 2003 Alright, Z... here is what you asked me to post for everybody. So I guess the question stands: Do you all still want me to create an automated website for the Federation? I know there has been talk of it that has come and gone, but I’m ready to get something rolling for it. So if your answer is no, then you need not to read any further as the rest would be meaningless. If your are interested than I need some serious feedback as to not waste any time because these are some of the things I had planned for it. I need to know if it sounds like things you would use, or even be at all interested in giving it a whirl. The first part of this is simple. Should I create One website for the WF or create two that have mostly the same features but each with their own page, so that we can include the JL into this? Features Stats What would happen here is that every member can log into the site and update their stats on the site any time they wish, no more hounding Thugg, who has put forth a lot of time updating stats and stuff. The thing with stats is; I can create one big old box so that you guys can simply copy and paste your stats or we can look professional with it. What I mean by that is, to have a form that would be broken down like the following: Smartmarks Board Name: [TEXTBOX] Wrestlers Name: [TEXTBOX] Real Name: [TEXTBOX] Height: [TEXTBOX] Weight: [TEXTBOX] Hometown: [TEXTBOX] Age: [TEXTBOX] Face/Heel: [TEXTBOX] Stable: [TEXTBOX] Ring Escort: [TEXTBOX] Weapon(s): [TEXTBOX] Quote: [TEXTBOX] The other stuff like looks, style, common moves, etc would all have a bigger box. This way we could make it so when someone new does up their stats they could through it in here and I could have the system format it for the boards. Z said everyone is to lazy to do this, but I feel if you can write a 6000 word match twice a week this is nothing. Roster page is pretty self explanatory. Once you do your stats you would appear on the roster. Once you get bumped from the JL to the WF your stats would be transferred automatically. Stables If you want I could make a feature where you can add people to be listed as part of your stable, if you are designated as the leader of the stable. Have a little page with your logo, define the Stables Alignment(Face/Heel) and all that good stuff. Same thing for Tag Teams all though that might get to be a bit much. Other things for members would be things that did not require you to do anything. Days as Champion would be done automatically as well as the list of champions. Hell we could even make peoples names on the roster a different color if you have the strap. For people like Thoth and Frost who have their articles and audio stuff, I can make it so where you can automatically add a new article and have it appear on the site. Bookers Here is where it gets fun. For those of you who are involved in this aspect you have a few extra things. Would you guys be interested in logging into the site after every show, and adding Wins and looses to wrestlers? This would basically be a way to automatically spit out a new rankings every single show as well as changing who holds onto what title if a title change should occur. Show results as well as cards could also be a feature added to the site as well as various other functions. Basically what I need is some responses for what would help you guys out, and what you feel would be helpful. same thing for those of us who aren’t involved with CC and just plain wrestle. What I hope to create here is a site that is superior in ever aspect to other E-Feds, if you share the same desires then please help me out here. The things I listed are basically the questionable aspects of the site, and there is tons of more features. BTW: Thugg I bought that domain you said to grab quite some time ago, if you want to have it point to the current site just give me the info, yo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Powerplay Report post Posted March 24, 2003 Not to rip on Thugg, but I personally think that we should take up the format of the JL Website. I liked it a lot better and it felt more active than the WF one. The little recaps are cool, and the little "How they won the championship" Snippetts are awesome. I also like the listing of the ME with the show and listing the next card. I really really like that. That, and I like the color scheme a lot better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest 5_moves_of_doom Report post Posted March 24, 2003 Sounds cool enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crowe Report post Posted March 24, 2003 I'm all for it, yo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dace59 Report post Posted March 24, 2003 Sounds good, go for it. \m/ New Website \m/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atlas 0 Report post Posted March 24, 2003 Why, Judge... I had no idea... I like the ideas you mentioned for the site, especially the automated rankings and auto transfer of stats form the JL to the WF. Thing is, someone's going to have to be responsible for noting wins, losses, title changes, etc. It would have to be made so simple to do that whoever is updating (probably the Creative member posting the show) wouldn't think of it as a tedious task. I do have one suggestion. The site has to have content that would ake people go to it instead of the boards. Announcing cards for the next show on the site could help with that. That way, there aren't any useless posts on the boards' backlog, and the predictions thread could double as a comments-on-the-card thread. Additionally, you could also make it so that the matches on the card go in a database, and once the show goes up, the only thing that needs to be done to note wins and losses would be to select an option box. I personally don't know how to design a system like that, but I don't imagine it's extremely hard. The only problem with it would be things like elimination matches and other gimmick matches without a clear cut winner/loser. I'd also be willing to offer my services as far as JL content goes. Particularly the stuff that's on the JL site now (as Judge mentioned). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Secret Agent 0 Report post Posted March 24, 2003 I do have one suggestion. The site has to have content that would make people go to it instead of the boards. Announcing cards for the next show on the site could help with that. That way, there aren't any useless posts on the boards' backlog, and the predictions thread could double as a comments-on-the-card thread. While this does sound like a good idea to me, that would be up to King and the rest of the CC as to how they would want to do that. Until the site is 'broke in' basically they will probably want to post the card on both. Additionally, you could also make it so that the matches on the card go in a database, and once the show goes up, the only thing that needs to be done to note wins and losses would be to select an option box. I personally don't know how to design a system like that, but I don't imagine it's extremely hard. The only problem with it would be things like elimination matches and other gimmick matches without a clear cut winner/loser. Everything on this site is database driven, I even have one for the titles. So yes this is an excellent idea... but would CC want to use it? The thing is I don't want to pour a lot of time into designing and coding for a function that isn't going to be used. I understand making certian systems and functions for future use, but really we need to know from them on that. Matches without a clear cut winner... umm we can make a no contest option. Gimmick matches and elimination matches can be done as well. Thanks for the feedback Atlas, I appreaciate it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atlas 0 Report post Posted March 24, 2003 No problem. I've done some website stuff before so I know the pains and headaches it can bring. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HVilleThugg Report post Posted March 25, 2003 LOL.... Now, the question is...where were you when I was thinking about redesign like a month ago. Just kidding dude. The reason that the JL site is more robust than the WF site with all those little tidbits y'all like is because Atlas just flat out has more time to update than me. That's just the way it is on that. Secondly, the amount of effort that is needed to redesign this site and make it totally awesome just isn't worth it because no one freaking comes to the site. With most feds, the boards supplement the website for communication, but in our fed, the website supplements the boards. What this means is that all the pains and effort of updating the current site constantly gets real annoying real quick when you know that people just aren't going to it. For example, I spent hours and hours marking up people's stats (which I wouldn't have had to do had I designed the site in the first place way back when I said I would, but I digress). Anyway, I spent all that freaking time marking up stats, and do you know how many people use the website to look at stats?? None. Maybe one. People have gotten themselves into the habit of using the boards for that stuff, so they just don't comes to the website for it. And that just makes you not want to put that effort in, because trying to make the stats uniform takes time. I'm sure everyone appreciates it and everyone thanked me and shit, but the fact still remains that people don't go to the site unless I post something that says there's a Thoth Report or some Frost article is up there. Anyway, I've rambled on and on, but it really boils down to this Brimestone, and maybe it's kind of selfish, but I'm gonna say it anway. My reason for giving up the redesign of the website is that I get paid a lot of money to do what you're about to do to the website, and I just couldn't bring myself to devote that kind of time and energy to something that I wasn't going to get paid for and that, while people appreciated in voice, no one even went to the site regularly. I just couldn't sit there and know that I spent all that time redesigning the site, changing the color scheme, doing more graphics, setting up and maintaining the database, etc., and only one or 2 people go to the website. If you're gonna redesign, great, knock yourself out. However, I've come to the conclusion that the SWF doesn't need the kind of website that you're talking about for the simple reason that the website complements the boards, and not the other way around. Sure, it'll be cool to have, but we don't need it. Oh, did you purchase the server space as well as the domain Brimestone? You know, the one with CF, since you said that you wanted to use CF instead of like PHP or something like that? Or did you just purchase the domain? Oh, and whoever it was that said this... Not to rip on Thugg, but I personally think that we should take up the format of the JL Website ...you should be apologizing to Mark Stevens, not me. He's the one that really took the time (when I wouldn't get off my lazy ass) and put the site together, and he did a damn good job for someone who doesn't have a lot of experience. All I do is update the site when I'm bored at work. Mark is the hero.... Da "washes his hands of the website" H Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mr. Slim Citrus Report post Posted March 25, 2003 I go to the website for stats all the time, unless I'm up against someone whose stats aren't there (which I have been for the past 3 weeks), and I wait with baited breath for the rankings to come out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atlas 0 Report post Posted March 25, 2003 Secondly, the amount of effort that is needed to redesign this site and make it totally awesome just isn't worth it because no one freaking comes to the site. With most feds, the boards supplement the website for communication, but in our fed, the website supplements the boards. What this means is that all the pains and effort of updating the current site constantly gets real annoying real quick when you know that people just aren't going to it. For example, I spent hours and hours marking up people's stats (which I wouldn't have had to do had I designed the site in the first place way back when I said I would, but I digress). Anyway, I spent all that freaking time marking up stats, and do you know how many people use the website to look at stats?? None. Maybe one. People have gotten themselves into the habit of using the boards for that stuff, so they just don't comes to the website for it. Which is why it might be better to have the stats hosted on the site alone. A system that lets people update their stats on their own and not have to bother a middleman about it would work. And if you take the stats off the boards, the pinned topics area gets cleaned up and reserved for other more important things, like shows. There has to be a reason for people to come to the site. Unique content, reliable consistent people (or person) working on it, and allowing visitors to come on their own and check for updates. If they're announced, then it sets the precedent that the site doesn't get updated unless it's mentioned on the boards. the unique content can be things like Thoth's report and other rants, Rankings, Frost's articles, etc. Small additions like Judge mentioned help out too. Making some things like automated title histories, stats and maybe even cards would make people have to come to the site, and if they enjoy using it and like the design and interface, it works out a lot better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Secret Agent 0 Report post Posted March 25, 2003 .... I'm not sure what way I should take your post there, Thugg. The reason that the JL site is more robust than the WF site with all those little tidbits y'all like is because Atlas just flat out has more time to update than me. That's just the way it is on that. Secondly, the amount of effort that is needed to redesign this site and make it totally awesome just isn't worth it because no one freaking comes to the site. With most feds, the boards supplement the website for communication, but in our fed, the website supplements the boards. What this means is that all the pains and effort of updating the current site constantly gets real annoying real quick when you know that people just aren't going to it. True, but it's not the way it should be, but rather out of habit. I mean it's really hard for you to even have the most up to date stats, when people change them around constantly. However, the boards sure have the most up to date. That's why I wanted to make it so where every person who wishes to compete is responsible for their own stats on the website as well as the boards. There are much more important things you could be doing than formating stats, Thugg. Also if we start using a website like a normal fed would, people might use the site a lot more. I think I would check the site, if i knew the only way to get someone's stats would be off the site. Possibly even erasing the stat threads just to get it to work. Or posting the Card's site only. I'll put it in the way that I view it. If i were to go to Google and do a search for E-Feds I'm not going to get Message Board Fed's but Websites, and crappy one's at that too. We have the oppertunity to create something that is pretty unique in the world of E-Feds, and it could give us a lot more attention. Anyway, I've rambled on and on, but it really boils down to this Brimestone, and maybe it's kind of selfish, but I'm gonna say it anway. My reason for giving up the redesign of the website is that I get paid a lot of money to do what you're about to do to the website, and I just couldn't bring myself to devote that kind of time and energy to something that I wasn't going to get paid for and that, while people appreciated in voice, no one even went to the site regularly. I just couldn't sit there and know that I spent all that time redesigning the site, changing the color scheme, doing more graphics, setting up and maintaining the database, etc., and only one or 2 people go to the website. Amen to that. If i ever saw dollar signs for what I do, I would never dish it out for free. Plus Thugg, you have so very little time on your hands to do this stuff anyways. Your not a webmaster, and you don't even have the time if you wanted to be. Your a designer, and you probably want to hand the site over for someone else to update constantly after your done. Am I even close, Thugg? Me on the other hand, this is all I can contribute to this Federation. I am not like you Thugg, I don't have a classic career. I'm not Edwin, Suicide King, Raynor, Thoth, Tom Flesher, GSMS, or anyone even close to that. All of them contributed to this fed with awesome matches, stories, and angles. I can't do that, I don't write my thoughts that good. However, I can do this. This website stuff, and that's how I can contribute to this place. So yes, it is something I would like to do, but not if nobody wants it. Oh, did you purchase the server space as well as the domain Brimestone? You know, the one with CF, since you said that you wanted to use CF instead of like PHP or something like that? Or did you just purchase the domain? I always have servers, Thugg. I had planned on purchasing a seperate one for the SWF, giving the SWF there own server slot and not sharing with any of my league sites. There only 30 a month when I open a new account so it's no big deal. BTW: Was that supose to be sarcastic, Thugg? Anyways, I do appreaciate your comments Thugg. About time one of the upper echelons of the Fed responded to this. I would love to hear from King, Strangler, Stevens, Z, and LDP though. As they are running this and I would like to see what they think. If they feel we don't need it, I'll go along with Thugg and not do it. Also, I wish you wouldn't get so disappointed that you want to "wash your hands clean" of the site Thugg. I could use your help when you have the extra time avaliable to you. Da "Turns the water faucet off on Thugg" J Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Secret Agent 0 Report post Posted March 25, 2003 Atlas, I totally agree. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HVilleThugg Report post Posted March 26, 2003 Ok....I shall clear up a few things because I think my words may have not best represented what I was trying to say. First and foremost, Brimestone, if you want to redesign the site, by all means do it. I can't imagine anything bad coming out of you doing that, and all that you all have said about having a robust, professional looking site is absolutely correct. I was merely explaining why I didn't do it and why I abondoned the idea of redesigning after I said I would. True, but it's not the way it should be, but rather out of habit. I mean it's really hard for you to even have the most up to date stats, when people change them around constantly. However, the boards sure have the most up to date. That's why I wanted to make it so where every person who wishes to compete is responsible for their own stats on the website as well as the boards. There are much more important things you could be doing than formating stats, Thugg. Also if we start using a website like a normal fed would, people might use the site a lot more. I think I would check the site, if i knew the only way to get someone's stats would be off the site. Possibly even erasing the stat threads just to get it to work. Or posting the Card's site only. I'll put it in the way that I view it. If i were to go to Google and do a search for E-Feds I'm not going to get Message Board Fed's but Websites, and crappy one's at that too. We have the oppertunity to create something that is pretty unique in the world of E-Feds, and it could give us a lot more attention. Absolutely. If we truly had a site with all the things you said, I'd like to think that people would convert over to the site. It all goes back to what is our primary mode of communication here. If the primary mode is the boards, then the website will be secondary, and it's harder to bring people there. But, if we have unique content on there, then it will work with time. Amen to that. If i ever saw dollar signs for what I do, I would never dish it out for free. Plus Thugg, you have so very little time on your hands to do this stuff anyways. Your not a webmaster, and you don't even have the time if you wanted to be. Your a designer, and you probably want to hand the site over for someone else to update constantly after your done. Am I even close, Thugg? You hit it on the head. I despise updating websites. I'm a programmer. Me on the other hand, this is all I can contribute to this Federation. I am not like you Thugg, I don't have a classic career. I'm not Edwin, Suicide King, Raynor, Thoth, Tom Flesher, GSMS, or anyone even close to that. All of them contributed to this fed with awesome matches, stories, and angles. I can't do that, I don't write my thoughts that good. However, I can do this. This website stuff, and that's how I can contribute to this place. So yes, it is something I would like to do, but not if nobody wants it. I can respect that, but dude...I wasn't attacking your decision to redesign the site. Maybe it seemed that way, so sorry...but I wasn't trying to do that. I always have servers, Thugg. I had planned on purchasing a seperate one for the SWF, giving the SWF there own server slot and not sharing with any of my league sites. There only 30 a month when I open a new account so it's no big deal. BTW: Was that supose to be sarcastic, Thugg? Nope, that was a totally legit question. Remember we had talked before about servers and such, and I just wanted to know what you ended up getting. Sorry if i sounded sarcastic... Also, I wish you wouldn't get so disappointed that you want to "wash your hands clean" of the site Thugg. I could use your help when you have the extra time avaliable to you. Again, I didn't really convey what I meant here. I'm definitely available to help you out if you need it bro...I was really just showing my annoyance with having to update the site and how I'll be glad when I don't have to do it anymore. Nevertheless, it's all good man. I'll give you a hand...all ya gotta do is ask. Catch me on email, AIM, or PM me. I don't know why that post came out the way it did. I was in a weird mood this morning, but whatever. Da "yeah, whatever sounds about right" H Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Secret Agent 0 Report post Posted March 26, 2003 It's all good, Thugg. But if i ever catch your picture on my girlfriends dresser again.... *cracks knuckles* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Suicide King Report post Posted March 26, 2003 I have a gigantic penis. Perhaps unrelated, but it needed to be said. I have no opinion on the website. It sounds like it would be very useful, but ultimately this is one of those few things I would leave to the masses to decide. If the fed is for it, let's do it. I can hold the reins of power just as easily there. mwa ha ha. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Beingz0wningj00 Report post Posted March 26, 2003 I have a gigantic penis. Does it excite MrG? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Suicide King Report post Posted March 26, 2003 Bitch, it fucking influences the tides. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Beingz0wningj00 Report post Posted March 26, 2003 Ah... with the help of the stars, or in this case the moon. (_|_) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HVilleThugg Report post Posted March 26, 2003 That's an interesting declaration there King... ::stares down at his enormous black penis:: Yeah...ummm...I won't crush your dreams today King. Da "big dick black man" H Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Beingz0wningj00 Report post Posted March 26, 2003 *crushes Thugg's massive penis with a sledgehammer* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tyler McClelland Report post Posted March 26, 2003 ::steps into the thread:: Whoa, what the FUCK!??! ::runs:: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Secret Agent 0 Report post Posted March 26, 2003 I have no opinion on the website. It sounds like it would be very useful, but ultimately this is one of those few things I would leave to the masses to decide. If the fed is for it, let's do it. How my thread has declined to another one of King trying to extort his penis... Actually King, I could use your opinon. You and everyone else on CC. i.e. Bookers Here is where it gets fun. For those of you who are involved in this aspect you have a few extra things. Would you guys be interested in logging into the site after every show, and adding Wins and looses to wrestlers? This would basically be a way to automatically spit out a new rankings every single show as well as changing who holds onto what title if a title change should occur. What I would like to know from those who Book, is whether(sp) or not they think they would want to even do something like that. Also what tools can you guys think of that would help you and make your task easier? Would having some kind of an option for wrestlers to select dates they will be unavaliable, and broadcasting that directly to the CC portion of the site be useful? Making an avaliable and unavaliable list? Things like that I have no idea on as I have never had to be plauged with who can or can't make a show or any of the other things you guys go through. Thanks! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Secret Agent 0 Report post Posted May 27, 2003 (edited) I still could use some CC help on this stuff. Also would it be possible for either King, Stevens, or Edwin to write up some sort of brief explanation of the SWF. I don't mean a "It all started with a Scoop Slam" either. That belongs in the history book portion, which I think we should have. What I mean is a "Welcome to the SWF, the most unique fed you will find" sort of intro. It would also look good to have been written by one of you guys if you have the time. Right now the FAQ sheet is filled with non FAQ stuff that should be divided into a history section. Like all the info about the ML, mergers, and what not. What I need is someone who has the time to actually sort through it and give a run down on everything you need to know to get yourself started in the SJL with all the necessary updates. Example: When sending matches to your marker, carefully entitle it "SJL Crimson: Zutroy vs. Johnny - Zutroy's Match" or the like. Stuff like "my match" don't cut it. I know we can't make a PM subject line on TSM Boards have that much info in it. Is there a newer standard? And yes, I am working on the Version 2 site. It just takes me a bit longer right now since I am currently writting matches almost every show. I'll take a few weeks off soon enough to tidy everything up and get it finalized. Edited May 27, 2003 by Secret Agent Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HVilleThugg Report post Posted May 27, 2003 You can probably find the intro thing you're looking for on the Joining Thread or the SWF site. Z updated the joining thread, and I copied it to the site last week. Check there...could be of some help. How's it coming along? Da "..." H Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dames 0 Report post Posted May 27, 2003 Guys, I set up swf.thesmartmarks.com for you guys, but you've yet to use it. Is something wrong? Dames Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HVilleThugg Report post Posted May 27, 2003 Sorry Dames...nothing's wrong. I guess I'm kind in charge of this whole website thingy, but I've been busting my ass trying to graduate...which I did this past weekend. We are still in the process of trying to figure out how to best use the domain you've given us, and I'll talk with King and Mark and we should have something ready to go by the beginning of next week. I've been slacking on my websiting duties... Thanks for the space and domain though...we appreciate it. Da "totally let that slip his mind" H Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dames 0 Report post Posted May 27, 2003 Oh alright, no problem. Dames Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheBostonStrangler Report post Posted May 27, 2003 Thugg, you best not be angering Dames. *bows, since he knows his role* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Secret Agent 0 Report post Posted May 28, 2003 Thanks for killing the thread, TBS. Anyways, as far as Dames goes. I can handle this. Just tell him that while we appreaciate the space, and domain, I don't think the hosting service he is using has the server software that I need to make this work. I am using Coldfusion for this site which is why I went out and grabbed my own space for it. I don't think Smartmarks is using a CF server, that and I didn't want to bog down his server for everything that I'm goig to do. The plus side of this, is I have a ton of extra space that I'm not using on the server really. Perhaps we might be able to help out Dames since he has been so gracious as to give us hosting and what not. If he needs any overflow space or anything. If anything, the site has very good links back to the smartmarks.com. On the other hand, Thugg, it's coming. Not as fast as I would like because I can't stop writting matches! If I did I would have been done a while back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
