Guest TheGame2705 Report post Posted March 29, 2003 It kinda helps that the reviewer embellished the match just a little.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheOriginalOrangeGoblin 0 Report post Posted March 29, 2003 Aside from Angle the only other ME'er(or even mid-upper carder) that has more than one or two legit finishes is Taker. I don't like him but he has the Chokeslam, Last Ride, Dragon sleeper and if none of those work the triangle choke. And if he gets REALLY desperate he has the tombstone which has been built as a move impossible to kick out of. People talking about the best matches of the past 5 years, I just want to say that Rock/Austin was good but not the best. I'll rank Bret/Benoit above anything else from that time frame with only Benoit/Angle coming close. Austin/Benoit is hurt a by a MAJORLY bullshit ending, ditto Austin/Angle. I'd rank the HHH/Foley street fight up there also along with, maybe, Jericho/HHH from Fully Loaded although it's a tad overrated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wildpegasus Report post Posted March 30, 2003 About the Benoit Regal match The tombstone reversal was not botched. That's the way they do it. Also, the head on collision wasn't a bothched spot.Benoit vs Regal is always very brutal and one of their trademarks in their matches is headbutting each other. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted March 30, 2003 Everyone got a little more diverse. Rock theoritically can use the sharpshooter or the people's elbow. Benoit has ap lethora of weapons, though they've killed the legitimacy of most of them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Spaceman Spiff Report post Posted March 30, 2003 I don't see the People's Elbow as a finisher. The Rock Bottom is the "real" finisher, and the Elbow is just the icing on the cake (which makes more sense to do as a heel rather than a face, but whatever...). Rock always hits the Rock Bottom first. It's not like he just does a body slam, then finishes w/ the Elbow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted March 30, 2003 No, for a while he was doing the slam or spinebuster and getting big-time near falls, pins, or having the ref pulled out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 30, 2003 Hasn't Angle also won a few via Anglesault? Never. At least nothing I remember. And I REALLY like it when they shill someone as so desperate that they have to resort to old finishers (Tombstone, Dream) It adds that extra little bit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest commie_050 Report post Posted March 30, 2003 Another means of working in finisher physchology is through cheating in the case of heels. I think of Rock/Jericho from RR 2002 and Angle/Benoit from WM X-7, and even Rock/Austin II. In both cases, the heels exhausted their list of credible finishers (maybe not so much in Angle/Benoit, I forget if the AngleSlam was used, but regardless) and were forced to used underhanded tactics, e.g. holding the tights, pinning with feet on the rope, the multiple chairshots. It works especially well in Austin's case, because it showed he had to throw away the rulebook altogether, resorting to a vicious mugging rather than anything resembling wrestling. As a result, the heels won, but gave the impression that they couldn't do it legally. Unfortunately, heelish moves have been kind of destroyed considering Jericho needs to grab the tights to beat Test these days. But in a main event feud, especially with credible main eventers on both sides, it works very well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Hamburglar Report post Posted March 30, 2003 Rock-Austin X-7 is sheer godliness, and I defy anyone to say otherwise. The finish is perfection. People may moan about the Vince run-in, but the point is that in that context, Vince and the thousand chairshots is the equivalent of a Tiger Driver '91. Its the only thing guaranteed to put Rock down. The intensity of Austin when he smashes the Rock in is incredible. Absolutely incredible. That whole match is my personal favourite, and I wasn't even that hyped for it beforehand. And regarding the original post, Misawa is a slightly unfair comparison, as he is so mindblowingly good on offense he puts even the other AJPW guys in the shadow in that respect. But the sentiment is valid, its just that for strikes to be viable finishers they have to be stiff, which is unlikely in the WWE. People do still buy into a stiff strike changing the course of a match though, witness Summerslam 2002 when Lesnar decapitated Rock with a clothesline mid-People's Elbow. That got a massive pop, and was a really good segue into the finish. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
