Analysis of the Lesnar incident

[Guest Army Eye]

After watching it in slo-mo a few times.. what I've gathered about Lesnar's SSP

 

- I'm not sure if the distance was the issue or not, or if he just blew it. He really got incredible air on the move. But he just didn't make the full turn and came down right on his head (he did put his arms out when he realized what has happening). Maybe the fact that he had to go so far is what contributed to him not doing it right though. Meltzer said Brock slipped on the rope but I saw no indication of that.

 

- I can confirm that Angle did not move at all before Lesnar 'hit' the SSP. This was NOT the planned finish. The plan was for Brock to hit the SSP and win. Also Brock grabbed his head immediately, which is not what you would 'sell' if doing a worked SSP miss.

 

- After the match what happens is kind of disturbing, because Brock sits in the corner for an inordinately long time. And he's not wincing and moaning and doing the usual 'that was a tough match' sell, he's just got a glazed over look in his face and the ref will not stop leaning over him, although you can't see what the ref is saying to him.

 

He was able to stand up eventually though.

 

I think there's definitely a possibility that he hurt himself on the move. Not trying to be pessimistic, but with the way WWE's luck has gone with injuries..

[Guest HartFan86]

I think if Brock wasn't built like he is, he'd be dead right now.

 

And no, I'm not bullshitting when I say that.

[Guest HartFan86]

Double Post.

[Guest ISportsFan]

I'm glad that Brock barely moved his head at the last split second - you can tell by watching the replay that he barely moves his neck to avoid basically crushing his whole spine into teeny pieces - and that he was able to get up after that.

 

Jason

[Guest Army Eye]

good point. His neck is so freakishly built. And that's a good thing.

 

Any movement on Angle's part was only him getting bumped by Lesnar's head. And it was quite an impact.

[Guest Nevermortal]

That botched SSP was SICK. Absolutely disturbing.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

Yeah, that's about it. Brock knew he was fucked when he got to the top rope. He saw how far it was and he hesitated...I knew he was toast after that.

 

Balls for trying

[Guest Just call me Dan]

The look on his face seemed to project fear. He was probably scared to death realizing what he could have done to himself. I had a sinking, weird feeling after the whole show. Booker and Jericho jobbing, Austin losing clean and Brock's unfortunate mishap just made me feel all weird inside. I feel so bad for the guy and I hope he is alright.

[Guest Mindless_Aggression]

His face after the match reminded me of a concussion face, see numerous Steve Young after being hit pictures to see what I mean. It looked like he just rung the fuck out of his bell.

 

In any case, the shooting star death press is retired I would have to assume.

[Guest El Satanico]

The actual move looked fine until he landed way short. Either Angle was too far away or Brock had problems on the take off (ie slippage, loosing his footing).

[Guest notJames]

Lesnar just couldn't flip his legs up in time. Chalk it up to nerves plus the distance, I'm sure.

 

Like it's been said before, the SSP was definitely the match ender. Too bad he fucked it up. Can you imagine how the crowd would have popped if it got him the three?

 

And yes, it sure looked like a concussion face to me. His forehead and cheeks swelled purple and he couldn't even focus his eyes to pick the belt up off the mat while he was slumped in the corner. I pray that they get him to a hospital pronto and keep him under observation. No telling what that fall could have done to a guy that big.

 

Props to Angle for the wherewithall to go for a pin right after the fuck-up. With Angle gone (and possibly Lesnar), and Shitberg coming in, I don't think I want to watch wrestling for a while.

[Guest Steviekick]

Brock really looked like he had a concussion. I hope he's alright.

[Guest Mindless_Aggression]

We should be happy if all he has is a concussion, the man should be wheelchair racing with Droz after that mess.

[Guest BDC]

Couple of things about the SSP.

 

First off, distance probably didn't concern Brock. Every time I read about him in dark matches, his SSP had the phrase "across the ring" attatched to it.

 

Second, how long has it been since he's been allowed to do the move? How long has it been since he's had practice at it. Probably not since he debuted, really.

 

Third, his footing seemed inordinately loose. As the ropes for the WWE always do.

[Guest Breetai]

That SSP was 0.8 Hayabusa.

[Guest Breetai]

After watching the clip 4 or 5 times, it seems that his mistake was that he didn't tuck his legs in enough. Not good news for your center of gravity.

[Guest jester]

I guess hindsight is 20/20, but really, WWE had to be insane to do the SSP. A lot of their top teir is getting injured, leading to long absences. The victim of the SSP was already injured, and who knows what a botched landing could have done to him. And the guy they had doing it is still green, but in the middle of major push. Hospitalize him, and yet more booking plans are out the window.

 

I just hope Brock is ok, though I don't see how he can possibly walk away from that unharmed.

[Guest Trivia247]

we will probably hear from the WWE to see who got injured or not tonight. they been posting interviews and updates after PPV's

[Guest BDC]

Don't act like Brock never did the move before. There's evidence all over the place.

[Guest Banky]

He was too far across the ring.

 

End of story.

 

It was sick.

[Guest Choken One]

I don't think it was the distance at all...Because Angle would've caught that and rolled over a little to help.

 

My thinking is that Brock got nervous and took off wrong and didn't get the legs tucked...You could tell as he in the air he didn't do it on time and the sight of the Head CRASHING into the canvas was sicking...

[Guest Redhawk]

I was at the show (!!!), but anyway...I think Brock was really hurt. It took him forever to leave the ring. He was surrounded by like 15-20 refs and doctors, and they even brought out a gurney, although he didn't get on it. He was holding someone's hand the whole time up the ramp, and when I looked on the screen he looked kind of scared or something.

[Guest Army Eye]

I guess hindsight is 20/20, but really, WWE had to be insane to do the SSP.  A lot of their top teir is getting injured, leading to long absences.  The victim of the SSP was already injured, and who knows what a botched landing could have done to him.  And the guy they had doing it is still green, but in the middle of major push.  Hospitalize him, and yet more booking plans are out the window.

I see what you're saying, but I think that's hindsight talking. I've never thought of the SSP as much of a high-risk move. I saw a few people talking about if they did a SSP, had speculated on the risk to ANGLE but not to Lesnar. Brock has impeccable form when doing it, probably nailed dozens of them in practice and sadly he choked it when the time came.

 

I liked the booking because finishing it with the SSP was the only way that match could follow Austin/Rock.

[Guest Army Eye]

I was at the show (!!!), but anyway...I think Brock was really hurt. It took him forever to leave the ring. He was surrounded by like 15-20 refs and doctors, and they even brought out a gurney, although he didn't get on it. He was holding someone's hand the whole time up the ramp, and when I looked on the screen he looked kind of scared or something.

Yikes, that doesn't sound good at all.

 

I'm listening to Live Audio Wrestling for the first time (these guys are annoying me with the 'oot's) and Meltzer said he may call in with a Lesnar update if he gets any news in time.

[Guest BobBacklundRules]

I feel bad for brock, not because he got hurt but because this was his first wrestlemania and he was main eventing and he was supposed to pull off the move everyone (smark) was waiting to see and it was a wwe title win that has been built up for months. That has to be the most depressing thing that can ever happen.

 

But on the bright side he did walk away, and angle did pin brock to cover the botch. As much as I hate to say this becasue he could be seriously hurt, he might not even remember the match and that might ease his depression.

[Guest Choken One]

It is scary to think Maybe Brock might be out for a little while now...That would mean...Undertaker and The Big Show would be YOUR main event.

[Guest Human Fly]

It is scary to think Maybe Brock might be out for a little while now...That would mean...Undertaker and The Big Show would be YOUR main event.

But Undertaker is out for at least a month leaving Nathan Jones and Big Show. But then Jones would have to wrestle, quite the quandary.

[Guest fazzle]

There's only one solution that makes any sort of sense then.

 

Turn A-Train!

[Guest Choken One]

Who says he has to wrestle?...all he needs to do is get a good grip on his Lacating Breasts and give a good aim at A-Train's Eyes...and PRESTO! Casually lay his hand over his chest and BOOM! Your NEW WWE CHAMPION, Nathan Jones!

[Guest Army Eye]

I feel bad for brock, not because he got hurt but because this was his first wrestlemania and he was main eventing and he was supposed to pull off the move everyone (smark) was waiting to see and it was a wwe title win that has been built up for months. That has to be the most depressing thing that can ever happen.

Agreed. It is a real bummer regardless of what happens with any injury.

 

 

They talked on LAW earlier about how much pressure was on Brock; it was a good point. His first Wrestlemania match and he's HEADLINING the show, in front of over 50,000 people no less, in the ring with a guy who you'll paralyze if you mess up, and you're doing the SSP for the first time? Now that is pressure.