HHH and HBK going over

[Guest Y2DAYDAY]

Smarks are smarks for a reason. Most of them are marks for thinking they are really smart to the business, when in fact they are not.

 

It is this simple.

 

They need a big main event for the first RAW only PPV in June. It appears they are going with Goldberg vs HHH. Now, if that is the case, why in the hell do you job HHH at Mania? In fact, HHH should be dominating everyone on his path to Goldberg, just as Goldberg should dominate everyone on his path to HHH. That is booking 101.

 

Now, what sense does it make to put the belt on Booker, then put it right back on HHH next Month or in May. It only hurts HHH's reign and does nothing for Booker because Booker was simply going to be the guy holding HHH's belt for one month, as opposed to being the World Heavyweight champion.

 

 

Onto the match. Booker's knee is fucked yet he keeps coming back. Eventually hits the Houston hangover and would have won if covered earlier. HHH kicks out. Then Booker gets up, ready to finish HHH off, but cannot stand. HHH stammers over and barely hits a pedigree, then barely makes the cover for the win. After the match, he collapses outside the ring. If anything, HHH should have been put over stronger.

 

The booking of HBK vs Jericho could have gone either way due to the nature of the story. I like this story better though. This is Jericho's dream match He about has it won, then HBK wins on a fluke. Jericho gets all of his heat back after the match. Great match, great story, and as Meltzer said on his site, Jericho was elevated with the loss.

 

Makes perfect sense to me. But, no, most people are marks for hating HHH.

[Guest Your Olympic Hero]

I agree. As much as I love Booker, I don't see him pulling in any better ratings than HHH as champ. Also, HBK vs. Y2J was very evenly matched and I think Jericho came out looking stronger afterwards.

[Guest snuffbox]

It appears they are going with Goldberg vs HHH.

Im not entirely sure they are going to be fueding in the near future.

[Guest Trivia247]

I for one is one that just don't jump on the hating bang wagon all that easily, it takes a while for me to truly develop a loathing for someone like Warrior or Goldberg or HHH.

 

the HHH go over you kinda expected... it was the price to be paid for booker winning on Raw as well as The match itself wasn't High up on the card as a World title match would be normally.

 

HBK Is I think a different issue as a classic KLIQ win storyline. HBK and Jericho's feud was building up fairly well without alot of matches in between December and now. HBK not very active during weekdays does hurt the match expectancy a bit because they still want to sell the HBK In ring ability of years ago, when he is considerably slower in all his Spots, even though he still does hit them. Jericho and HBK was very good match in wrestling and I for one enjoyed their back and forth match, it was in this Smark's mind one of the bigger what if matches from our point of view instead of the Markish Hogan Rock or Austin Goldberg shit.

[Guest RicFlairGlory]

They should have changed the ending to HBK/Jericho just on account of HBK had been making Jericho look stupid for a while, this should have been Jericho's getting back at it, accomplishing his boyhood dream so to speak. Unless they want to exend this feud through backlash

 

Honestly if the match wasnt as good as it was as a match, and HBK went over? You'd be hearing shit from smarks that you'd never hear the end of. Damn good thing Jericho had a good match. I like HBK and think it would've been better for Jericho to go over.

[Guest Trivia247]

Actually I still think even in his condition now Shawn can put together a decent enough match, if given proper opponents that he can work off of.

[Guest Dangerous A]

Hopefully we are heading towards Booker vs HHH in a few more matches and Booker will end the feud WITH THE TITLE. Then Booker will have been slightly elevated although it remains to be seen if he can draw.

 

HBK/Jericho is the same thing. The important thing is to have Jericho and Booker win the final match in the feud and have Jericho and Booker move up while HHH and HBK either wind down or stay in upper midcard roles.

[Guest ViciousFish]

I hope so badly that Jericho/HBK goes another month or two just so Jercho can get his win. I would love to see a match end with HBK tapping to a Walls with his back totally destroyed.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Why HHH shouldn't have won: They've been building up HHH for 8 months and it hasn't paid off. Time to try it with someone else.

 

Why Booker T shouldn't have lost: Booker T's motivation for beating HHH was to show that "someone like him" could be a champion. He lost. Moral of the Story: "Someone like him are not good enough". Of course, "someone like him" means a black man.

 

Why HBK shouldn't have won: HBK didn't need the win; he doesn't work a regular schedule, he doesn't put in the day-to-day effort that Chris Jericho does. Jericho has been the backbone of RAW for a while now and deserved the win way more than shawn did.

 

Why Chris Jericho shouldn't have lost: Chris Jericho's motivation was to carve out his own name in WWE history by beating and ending HBK's career on "the largest stage of them all". He failed. Now whenever he says anything will you believe it? And what's worse, he was being SERIOUS this time. Not crybaby Jericho, not "king of the world" Jericho. The promo he cut last week was off-the-charts. But it was all for nothing. Crediblity shot.

[Bored 0]

The title means NOTHING. Its nothing more than a glorified version of the IC belt as it is the #2 belt in the company. You can still do a HHH/Goldberg main event at Bad Blood without HHH being champion. HHH would have lost no heat or credibility if he put Booker over end of story.

[Guest El Satanico]

HHH is a smart bastard. He always makes it appear that the best way to end a match or feud is him going over clean. This way when someone complains about him the excuse of "well it was the right booking" is there.

 

 

However, there's no way in hell that HBK winning was "proper booking". According to WWe style booking who ever has the upper hand leading in loses at the PPV. Therefore makes no sense for HBK to win since he had the upper hand leading in.

[Guest NoCalMike]

I agree with Ravishing on the Jericho points. To me, the win at WRESTLE F'N MANIA would mean a lot more than a revenge match at Backlash. Now Jericho is in the role of chaser, and if he goes a few more matches with losses to HBK and then just wins the FINAL one, it will be too late and he will already be shot. When Foley put over Triple H, he did it right, he kept jobbing, when every time people were SO SURE that Foley would pull out a new trick that would put him away. It was a great job by Foley. Jericho should have won at WM, and then HBK could whine that it was a fluke or he was lucky, and then Jericho could get another win at Backlash to DRIVE THE POINT HOME. Now Jericho will be looking for the win simply to build back up credibility that has been lost(to the marks eyes). To me, Jericho already went through the "elevation" process, but Vince by his own omission, didn't have faith in Jericho. To me, this feud would have been better suited for someone like RVD that needs that extra elevation to get over on the "next level" Jericho SHOULD already be there.

 

As far as the Booker/HHH thing goes, I was hoping Booker could win the belt, however it would be meaningless if he just jobbed it back at backlash. The ending of the match was what I was most pissed off about. Triple H should not have waited 30 seconds after the pedigree to make the pin, it just makes the opponent look like shit. Whether it was on purpose, or he was winded, remains to be told, but it was still a shitty thing to do.

[Guest Redhawk]

The booking of HBK vs Jericho could have gone either way due to the nature of the story. I like this story better though. This is Jericho's dream match He about has it won, then HBK wins on a fluke. Jericho gets all of his heat back after the match. Great match, great story, and as Meltzer said on his site, Jericho was elevated with the loss.

 

You still never said why it was the right booking decision, you just said you liked it more. Here's my take: Sure, Jericho was elevated even though he lost. But why did he have to lose? Wouldn't he have also been elevated with a win? Wouldn't he have been elevated even more with a win? It was a great match and it told a great story, but what would have been wrong with Jericho winning? I see why Booker T shouldn't have won, since you could argue it wouldn't really lead to anything since he'd lose it soon after. But why should Jericho have lost? Was it to keep Michaels strong? I think Michaels has been around too long to have one loss kill his reputation with fans.

[Guest JDMattitudeV1]

I think it is time we all stopped kidding ourselves with this "HHH won this time, but will job to opponent X in the return match with better build up" crap. We said this with RVD, Jericho and now people are saying it with Booker T. The fact is HHH will put over no one who is not in the Kliq or is a threat to his spot, plain and simple.

 

As far as HBK-Jericho is concerned there is no reason that the man who was carried Raw in his back for the last 6 months should be jobbing to a has been who wrestles part-time. I didn't see the match but I hear it was very good, but the fact is in 90% of the big matches in Jericho's career he has jobbed, and he really needed a win last night and he didn't get it. What pisses me off the most is the fact that Jericho has more talent in his pinkie finger than HHH has in his entire body, yet HHH gets 7 month title reigns and Jericho gets to fuck all. Even if HBK puts over Jericho eventually (which I doubt), the match everyone will remember is Wrestlemania. Jericho is capable of greatness, but it doesn't look like he will ever get the chance.

[Guest AndrewTS]

It appears they are going with Goldberg vs HHH. Now, if that is the case, why in the hell do you job HHH at Mania?

 

That's June. Why the fuck would that match even need to be for the title?

 

And why would Goldberg deserve a title shot in the first place?

[Guest Raven_Effect01]

I just wonder if there's a decent-paying promotion in North America today that'll actually give wrestlers like Jericho, Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Booker T, etc. more respect than what WWE's been giving them because it obviously doesn't seem like WWE's focused on ever seriously pushing them to the top, and rather, they've pushed wastes of money like Steiner, Goldberg, etc. over them.

[Guest ViciousFish]

It appears they are going with Goldberg vs HHH. Now, if that is the case, why in the hell do you job HHH at Mania?

 

That's June. Why the fuck would that match even need to be for the title?

 

And why would Goldberg deserve a title shot in the first place?

Because like D'Lo in TNA he'll claim to have a title shot in his contract or some bullshit.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

I love how you liked the booking but if we didn't then we're just a bunch of whiners who can't be pleased. Because GOD KNOWS that your opinion is the correct one and heaven forbid ours disagree.

I also like how if you don't like Goldberg, HHH, etc. well then you are on a bandwagon. But you're cool, different, and hip if you like them.

You guys crack me up.

[Guest ViciousFish]

I love how you liked the booking but if we didn't then we're just a bunch of whiners who can't be pleased. Because GOD KNOWS that your opinion is the correct one and heaven forbid ours disagree.

I also like how if you don't like Goldberg, HHH, etc. well then you are on a bandwagon. But you're cool, different, and hip if you like them.

You guys crack me up.

I don't have a problem with Goldberg getting a title shot. I just don't like lame storyline reasons like 'I got one in my contract so I'm gonna kick your ass!!'

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

I don't really have much of a problem with Goldberg either. If Bret Hart doesn't hold a grudge then why should I?

Besides I enjoyed his 5 minute jobber squashes.....and if he squashes HHH........EVEN BETTER!

[Guest AndrewTS]

I don't really have much of a problem with Goldberg either. If Bret Hart doesn't hold a grudge then why should I?

Besides I enjoyed his 5 minute jobber squashes.....and if he squashes HHH........EVEN BETTER!

He won't unless he "spears" Stephanie.

[Guest Dangerous A]

I just wonder if there's a decent-paying promotion in North America today that'll actually give wrestlers like Jericho, Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Booker T, etc. more respect than what WWE's been giving them because it obviously doesn't seem like WWE's focused on ever seriously pushing them to the top, and rather, they've pushed wastes of money like Steiner, Goldberg, etc. over them.

Unfortunately there isn't any decent paying promotion in North America. If there were, WWE's product probrably wouldn't suck as bad (although it would still suck) as it does because WWE does better when there is real competition. Since Vince is the only show in town, they have been resting on their laurels.

 

 

These guys also have families to feed and any wrestler who has toiled in the Indy circuit making peanuts grows to appreciate the money WWE provides. I am not saying they can't have pride and that they have to accept shitty circumstances, but they still collect paychecks regardless of whether they job or not.

 

Remember when the Radicalz left WCW because they saw the writing on the wall and wanted out. The only reason they did that is because WWF could provide them with money that was competitive or better. Same with Raven. He left and went to ECW. While ECW didn't pay very good, it paid well enough for a guy with no family to live. The guys you listed have families and they come before losing sleep over jobbing to guys who don't deserve it.

[Guest ViciousFish]

Alot of wrestlers of old, and probably alot now a days have no other skills to fall back on. Thats why Denucci made such a big deal about Foley staying in school. I don't know for sure, but lets say Benoit has no other skills besides wrestling and has no contacts in Japan. He can work for Vince, hypothetically jobbing to Rodney Mack for the rest of his life collecting say 100k per year, he can flip burgers or he can work independants for at most $300 a night. Now which will feed his family?

[Guest Coffey]

Same with Raven. He left and went to ECW. While ECW didn't pay very good, it paid well enough for a guy with no family to live. The guys you listed have families and they come before losing sleep over jobbing to guys who don't deserve it.

Actually, Raven went back to ECW after WCW because it was in his contract that he couldn't work with Vince & WWF for 1 year. So, he went to ECW for exactly 1 year, then jumped to WWF.

 

All that got him was a bad haircut.

[Guest notJames]

Why HHH shouldn't have won: They've been building up HHH for 8 months and it hasn't paid off. Time to try it with someone else.

 

Why Booker T shouldn't have lost: Booker T's motivation for beating HHH was to show that "someone like him" could be a champion. He lost. Moral of the Story: "Someone like him are not good enough". Of course, "someone like him" means a black man.

 

Why HBK shouldn't have won: HBK didn't need the win; he doesn't work a regular schedule, he doesn't put in the day-to-day effort that Chris Jericho does. Jericho has been the backbone of RAW for a while now and deserved the win way more than shawn did.

 

Why Chris Jericho shouldn't have lost: Chris Jericho's motivation was to carve out his own name in WWE history by beating and ending HBK's career on "the largest stage of them all". He failed. Now whenever he says anything will you believe it? And what's worse, he was being SERIOUS this time. Not crybaby Jericho, not "king of the world" Jericho. The promo he cut last week was off-the-charts. But it was all for nothing. Crediblity shot.

That sums it up for me.

[Guest Suicide King]

I agree with Y2DAYDAY completely, even if they don't build toward a HHH/Goldberg ME at the Raw PPV.

[Guest THE MIGHTY THOR]

Booker is not truly over period and he didn't deserve to win or even get a shot at the RAW title @ Mania, he's been used as a jobber to the stars for 2 years and he hasn't been build properly to be a true main eventer, I've been saying that all along.Even though i agree with HHH not being a drawing champion and worthy of the title, but since nobody in the RAW locker room has been build up properly due to politics then the WWE feels that by bringing Goldberg will draw ratings but it will be the Steiner clusterfu*k all over again.

[Guest BDC]

Honestly, if they wanted to continue the Y2J/HBK feud, Jericho would have been better served to go over. Make HBK tap to the Walls and then torment Shawn about it. Laugh at him. Make his life hell for losing.

 

Better yet, had Jericho won with HIS superkick, he could rename it (like he did Dean Malenko's Texas Cloverleaf) and start using it as a new finisher.

[Guest humongous2002]

What did that WWE bashing hypocrite untalented Goldbitch do to get a main event spot?

[Guest Shanghai Kid]

How is HBK a has-been when he still can put on good matches? Don't tell me that Jericho carried him or something stupid like that. Jericho will have plenty of oppertunities to win big Wrestlemania matches, that was probably Shawn's last. If Shawn was retiring soon, it'd be ok for him to job out, but he'll probably be here for a while, and needs to have the rub so that when he does retire, he can job out and make somebody else a superstar. Besides, i'd rather take an HBK match every month than some other crappy wrestler.