Guest MrRant Posted April 5, 2003 Report Posted April 5, 2003 I'm not. I am saying that Miracle Whip has proven to be a far better leader than Mao. Yeah so killing his own and using terror wasn't a smart move. Others that are nationalistic have do that before too.
Guest MrRant Posted April 5, 2003 Report Posted April 5, 2003 Oh stop pulling Asians out of your ass Tyler. I think I won this argument with Miracle Whip. Bow down before it's artificial flavor.
Guest Crazy Dan Posted April 5, 2003 Report Posted April 5, 2003 Ah for the heck of it... Stalin and Pol Pot
Guest MrRant Posted April 5, 2003 Report Posted April 5, 2003 All his mistake was he got his ass handed to him by the US. Start small and work your way up I say. Stalin - Was all about the big mustache. No one feels comfortable with a stache that big. Pol Pot - He was a killer hippie. No one likes a hippie and we all know they can't get anything done right.
Guest Tyler McClelland Posted April 5, 2003 Report Posted April 5, 2003 Wait... what are we arguing about?
Guest MrRant Posted April 5, 2003 Report Posted April 5, 2003 We were arguing about how Nationalism is/isn't really a bad thing. I countered all your arguments and in turn have probably turned this boring thread into one of the better ones in this folder. Miracle Whip > Mao.
Guest Crazy Dan Posted April 5, 2003 Report Posted April 5, 2003 I think that it had something about to do with how 9/11 has changed us and such. I noticed a huge burst of nationalistic pride, such as more American Flags and such, but then it died down. What I noticed is that we are now placed in cosntant fear through this color coding system. John Ashcroft continues to pick on really weak targets such as head shops and medicinal marijuana growers. He also creates the Patriot act which is such a violation of our civil rights, it's not even funny. I think that he has become of the least significant Attorney Generals in History. Maybe Reno was worse, but this jackass is a complete and utter tool. Attention Mr Jackass,er, Aschcroft, the real danger to Americans are terrorists, not stoners.
Guest Tyler McClelland Posted April 5, 2003 Report Posted April 5, 2003 Actually, you didn't really counter most of them, but regardless
Guest Vern Gagne Posted April 5, 2003 Report Posted April 5, 2003 Pol Pot didn't kill hippies. All the Hippies were in Berkeley or in Canada dodging the draft. What in the holy hell is wrong with having pride and love for one's country? This is the United States, there's never been another country like it.
Guest Kotzenjunge Posted April 5, 2003 Report Posted April 5, 2003 Chortle? Can I just Walk? Or perhaps just hop into my truck or rather my Mustang and DRIVE there? What year?
Guest MrRant Posted April 5, 2003 Report Posted April 5, 2003 Pol Pot didn't kill hippies. All the Hippies were in Berkeley or in Canada dodging the draft. What in the holy hell is wrong with having pride and love for one's country? This is the United States, there's never been another country like it. I said he WAS a hippie. He wanted to go back to earth.
Guest Tyler McClelland Posted April 5, 2003 Report Posted April 5, 2003 I didn't ever say you shouldn't have pride. NATIONALISM, though, is terrible and bad.
Guest Vern Gagne Posted April 5, 2003 Report Posted April 5, 2003 Sorry Rant. All nationalism is the believe that your country is better than any other. Not just the Nazi's or Communist have been nationalist. It all depends on how you approach you're nationalism. If it's like the Commies it's wrong, if it's like most Americans than I see nothing wrong with it.
Guest Tyler McClelland Posted April 5, 2003 Report Posted April 5, 2003 Wrong. Nationalism is NOT patriotism, which is what you're defining it as. Patriotism is fine; pride in your country and wanting to make it the best in the world. Nationalism is an entirely different monster and has lead to every large scale war in the history of the world. It's a terrible thing.
Guest Jobber of the Week Posted April 5, 2003 Report Posted April 5, 2003 If you read history to any extent, nationalism is NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT *breath* NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT a good thing. The same can be true of religion, but it's rather popular, I'd say.
Guest Tyler McClelland Posted April 5, 2003 Report Posted April 5, 2003 Yeah, and that's why war is so common.
Guest Will Scarlet Posted April 5, 2003 Report Posted April 5, 2003 Let's look at the movements sparked by fierce nationalism, shall we? The French Revolution and Napoleanic Wars Hitler and Nazism The Communist Revolution in the USSR Moussolini and Fascism What about World War I? I believe I remember nationalism being one of the major reasons that happened.
Guest Tyler McClelland Posted April 5, 2003 Report Posted April 5, 2003 It wasn't a full list. One could add quite a few to that, I was just making a point.
Guest NoCalMike Posted April 5, 2003 Report Posted April 5, 2003 Problem is, when 9/11 happened, everyone was out to PROVE how patriotic they were by means of american flags. Besides that, I am not sure what changed. If buying an american flag sticker and putting it on your car is making a difference, then I guess it is that easy, however once the sticker was slapped on, people went about the SAME OLD BULLSHIT as always. Ironic to see american flag stickers slapped across wretched SUVS which are the monsters of the road and probably aren't doing anything to improve america besides make Detroit tycoons a bunch of money.
Guest Tyler McClelland Posted April 5, 2003 Report Posted April 5, 2003 Yeah, but then you have the people who call you unpatriotic for being the slightest bit against the war or our current administration. THAT is nationalism, and it's very, very dangerous.
Guest Will Scarlet Posted April 5, 2003 Report Posted April 5, 2003 Yeah, but then you have the people who call you unpatriotic for being the slightest bit against the war or our current administration. THAT is nationalism, and it's very, very dangerous. I agree, Tyler. Whenever I hear people saying that we should blindly support anything Bush says, it scares me. It seems like that kind of mentality is why guys like Hitler and Sadaam managed to become so powerful. Not suggesting Bush would ever be that bad or even remotely compare to those two, but it scares me that the average American would seemingly allow the door to such behaviour to open.
Guest Tyler McClelland Posted April 5, 2003 Report Posted April 5, 2003 It seems like that kind of mentality is why guys like Hitler and Sadaam managed to become so powerful. Dead on correct. That's the problem with nationalism; it allows crazy people to do crazy things in the name of the country, etc.
Guest Edwin MacPhisto Posted April 5, 2003 Report Posted April 5, 2003 Fortunately, I think America is in a situation now where we don't really have to worry about a dangerous rise of nationalism. There's certainly more potential for such an evolution, but the Iraq situation--though still pretty damn stable so far--doesn't have the same cut-and-dry "this is no trouble at all, god America kicks ass" feel that accompanied Desert Storm. Additionally, there's still a very vocal and sizable group of people who continue to speak out against the war and against the administration, and that's going to prevent the country from becoming too mindless. Also, Miracle Whip blows.
Guest Crazy Dan Posted April 5, 2003 Report Posted April 5, 2003 Just to add something, I think certain elements of this country borderlines on Nationalistic. When all of the sudden anyone who is not for war is all of the lumped into one group labeled "Un-American". And some of these people might not like this country, which is fine. But many protesters either don't believe in war, were Vietnam vets who have seen the horrors of war, or don't agree with the precieved motives of the war. I see much off this displayed by certain members of Congress and the Senate, and I see it being done by many memebrs of Fox News. I think the worse case is by Sean Hannity, IMO.
Guest Vern Gagne Posted April 5, 2003 Report Posted April 5, 2003 Wrong. Nationalism is NOT patriotism, which is what you're defining it as. Patriotism is fine; pride in your country and wanting to make it the best in the world. Nationalism is an entirely different monster and has lead to every large scale war in the history of the world. It's a terrible thing. Tyler, That's the definiton of Nationalism. A believe that your country is better than any other country. Whether it's social, or politicial. People have twisted the meaning and made it into a bad word.
Guest MrRant Posted April 5, 2003 Report Posted April 5, 2003 na·tion·al·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nsh-n-lzm, nshn-) n. 1. Devotion to the interests or culture of one's nation. 2. The belief that nations will benefit from acting independently rather than collectively, emphasizing national rather than international goals. 3. Aspirations for national independence in a country under foreign domination. Thought I would throw that in.
Guest iamsherm Posted April 5, 2003 Report Posted April 5, 2003 In an attempt to get back on topic ... I don't think we were ever told to act different. In fact, quite the opposite. It was my understanding that we were to continue with our daily operations or else the terrorists would 'win.' Honestly, what other choice do we, as citizens, have?
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