Batman:Knightfall

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

I'm interested in your opinions. Please discuss.

[Guest IDrinkRatsMilk]

The third volume had a bit too much action in comprison to story. Other than that, good.

[Guest Steviekick]

It was a good story, but the ending was very predictable and the results of the story are rather pointless.

 

Lots of hype for nothing.

[Guest teke184]

The first third of it, from the Arkham Asylum breakout until Bane breaks Bruce in half, was incredibly good. It lost focus at that point as we got shitty Two-Face and Scarecrow stories after that.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

The first third of it, from the Arkham Asylum breakout until Bane breaks Bruce in half, was incredibly good. It lost focus at that point as we got shitty Two-Face and Scarecrow stories after that.

I disagree. While I certainly maintain that the first part (heretofore known as KF) was a fantastic Batman story, I don't think it lost steam till issue 500 of BATMAN, where Jean-Paul Valley breaks Bane.

 

 

I'll be writing a more lengthy rant momentarily.

[Guest HellSpawn]

I think it was a mix, some good plot development stories, in between some crappy stories.

I agree, that Showcase stuff with 2 face was boring, and the Anarky thing was awful.

Thats something I hate with this crossover, there are always several crap books in between.

 

 

And OMG, dont make me start with KnightQuest and KnightsEnd. Well K-End was very good.

Edited April 8, 2003 by HellSpawn

[Guest Youth N Asia]

I liked it for the most part. I thought Batman 500 was a little too predictable though.

 

How can you not live Knightfall 3...Zasaz (sp?)

[Guest Smell the ratings!!!]

the 1st part kicks the ass no question. I thought it was a little retarded that AzBats could plow through Bane like a little bitch, personally. And I liked the 3rd part as well, but the fact that there was only one possible ending didn't exactly make for much suspense.

 

EDIT: I especially love the begging of the end when Bats has to retrain himself with Shiva. Very cool.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Part One was an exercise in storytelling that we don't get in comics very often. From the beginning we are told, that what Batman is attempting- trying to recapture the Arkham inmates and find Bane at the same time, is impossible. We are told that Bane will win. And yet, as we see Batman eek out victory after victory, we start to build hope. We think, "Hey, maybe he COULD do it." When Bane wins, (and easily I might add) it's a cold reminder that even the strongest man cannot defeat fate. The storyt has a very powerful moral, and is filled with a lot of action.

 

KnightQuest is where everything unravels. Valley, ISN'T Batman. Batman, whether he'd like to admit it or not, is a creation of Bruce Wayne's shattered psyche and cannot just be passed off on a whim. Valley is not an interesting character, and around this point the story stops being about Batman confronting his INNER demons with external challenges being almost a sub-plot, and becomes about the villains because the valley character is so cliched.

Knight'sEnd was a letdown. Nothing was really resolved except that Valley was banished from the Bat-Universe (for a short time.) Alfred was still gone, Bruce didn't want to be Batman again yet, and the actual Jean Paul/Bruce fight was somewhat anti-climactic.

[Guest Some Guy]

I loved the first part and the four or so months before Bane broke out all teh villians. He fucked with Bats form afar, just watching him and learned who he was and what he was about. He wore him out and then broek the villians out and then let him go through them one by one to test Bat's skills and then broke him.

Then inexplicably Az-Bats beats the shit out of Bane with relative ease and we get a bunch of horseshit with Bruce going off to look for Robin's dad and Az-Bats being retarded and Robin crying about it. Then it got good again for Knights end.

I liked how Bruce beat Valley, he used his mind. Bruce knew that Az-Bats with the costume who beat the piss out of him so he outsmarted him and proved that Batman isn't about a fancy costume.

[Guest Sassquatch]

Knight Quest was lame as Jean-Paul was not an interesting character to read about but this was more of a deliberate action on DC's part so that fans would *want* to see Wayne beat the stuffing out of Jean-Paul when he did return as Batman.

[Guest Kanenite#357]

Anyone find it rather odd that Denny O'Neil, the Bat editor at the time deliberately made it so that people would hate John Paul Valley in an attempt to market the Azreal comic? And didn't they kind of write themselves into a corner with Knightsend? They had pretty much established that there was no way that Batman could really beat Az-bats without killing him.

[Guest HellSpawn]

Anyone find it rather odd that Denny O'Neil, the Bat editor at the time deliberately made it so that people would hate John Paul Valley in an attempt to market the Azreal comic? And didn't they kind of write themselves into a corner with Knightsend? They had pretty much established that there was no way that Batman could really beat Az-bats without killing him.

Yeah!

And then O'Neil co-created Azrael, in a Wizard special he said he hates Jean Paul, but still, he wrote the ongoing. And im not sure but I think he wrote too the Azrael - Ash XOver.

[Guest starvenger]

Knight Quest was lame as Jean-Paul was not an interesting character to read about but this was more of a deliberate action on DC's part so that fans would *want* to see Wayne beat the stuffing out of Jean-Paul when he did return as Batman.

That's what it seemed like to me. Unlike the Spider-Clone, Azrael was seemingly created to be the guy that Bat-fans would end up hating. I mean, why give the cape and cowl to this guy you barely know but not give it to the guy who is probably the most similar to you - Dick Grayson?

 

Anyone find it rather odd that Denny O'Neil, the Bat editor at the time deliberately made it so that people would hate John Paul Valley in an attempt to market the Azreal comic? And didn't they kind of write themselves into a corner with Knightsend? They had pretty much established that there was no way that Batman could really beat Az-bats without killing him.

The Azrael ongoing was probably a result of the speculator-fueled comics market. Remember, this was a time where EVERY CHARACTER got a comic book. It doesn't matter if the fans hate you. Slap a gimmick cover (and/or boobs) on the front and you've got a best seller.