Missiles with chemical warheads found in Iraq

[Guest hardyz1]

Chemical weapons?! Shocker!

 

It was only a matter of time before they found this stuff.

[Guest MD2020]

This is obviously fake. Noted Chemical Weapons expert Janeane Garofalo said that Iraq didn't have any weapons, so therefore Iraq doesn't have any.

 

Seriously, though, I'm personally going to wait a few days to make sure that this is legit. Too often, in the rush to break a story, stuff is getting reported before all facts are out. I don't think that the journalists are doing it deliberately, but they don't wait to make 100% sure. I still don't know if PFC Lynch was shot or not.

 

It is interesting that NPR is reporting this. Least there won't be any "you can't believe this it came from 'Faux News' " arguments.

[Guest JangoFett4Hire]

You'd have to question the legitimacy of anything that is found. Bush will look like an idiot if no WMDs have been recovered, so of course there will be a chance that anything that is found will actually be items that have been planted by coalition forces.

[Guest Mad Dog]

Nice to know the anti-war people have found a nice cop out to having to admit their wrong.

[Guest JangoFett4Hire]

LOL

You don't think there's even a remote chance that it is possible?

[Guest Downhome]

Nice to know the anti-war people have found a nice cop out to having to admit their wrong.

I agree, I applaud their at least trying, ya know?

[Guest JangoFett4Hire]

Yup. You're right. Believe everything the Bush Administarion tells ya. The economy's golden. They really do care about northern Ireland and Israel/Palestine. Iraq was behind 9/11.

[Guest Downhome]

Are you full of it? They do not say that the economy is "golden". Perhaps you've been TOLD that this is what they think, but it is not. Many times they have reocgnized that it's in pretty bad shape, but still, it's not as bad as it has been in years past. They also do care for Israel, more than once we have put our ass on the line for them.

 

...not once, not ONCE, have they said that Iraq was behind 9/11. We know who was behind 9/11, that is old news. The only people who try to say that Iraq was behind 9/11, or the only people who try to say that the Bush Administration thinks that, are those people who are blind, and have no idea what's going on, and/or just trying to start bull.

 

I don't even know where you pulled that one out.

[Guest Bosstones Fan]

Yup. You're right. Believe everything the Bush Administarion tells ya. The economy's golden. They really do care about northern Ireland and Israel/Palestine. Iraq was behind 9/11.

- I don't see where the economy is so bad. My spending habits haven't changed one bit since even BEFORE Bush took office. Nobody I know has lost their job due to the economic "downturn," and I have more money to spend thanks to the tax cut. Whew boy, hard economic times indeed.

 

- Why WOULDN'T they care about Israel/Palestine? One side (Palestine) is using terror to try and destroy a nation that only wants to live peacefully. Seems like something we ought to care about.

 

- I don't recall anyone from the Bush administration EVER saying that Iraq was behind 9/11. Nice try, though.

[Guest Mad Dog]

Yeah there's always a possibility that they would "plant" some weapons over there.

 

But at the same time it seems typically of the anti-war/Bush group to not accept the fact that he is capable of doing anything right and will be running around screaming about how we planted them to save face.

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

I think the problem is that the administration absolutely 100% could NOT afford to not find chemical warheads. If they didn't, the shit would have hit the figurative fan... and thus, I don't think anyone doubted that we would find them one way or another.

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

It's also not being reported by CNN, and even the Faux News Ministry of Truth is just saying "possible" WMD factory. It's a bit too early to tell.

[Guest Powerplay]

I think the problem is that the administration absolutely 100% could NOT afford to not find chemical warheads. If they didn't, the shit would have hit the figurative fan... and thus, I don't think anyone doubted that we would find them one way or another.

Actually, 58% of Americans say that the war is justified without finding WMD, as shown by a few different polls.

[Guest hardyz1]

The original story I linked to changed. It used to be a story about missiles with chemical warheads. Hmmm.

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

Oh, right, "Iraqi Freedom"

 

My fault.

[Guest SP-1]

I think Tyler means that as far as diplomatic relations we can't afford to not find anything. And I agree.

 

However, I still believe if we find something it's legit.

[Guest NoCalMike]

Well the reason behind the war on Iraq has changed a bunch of times. First it was 9/11, then it was for OUR safety....now it is for Iraqi Freedom, and each successive reason wasn't ADDED to the prior, it was invoked because the prior reason was proved to not be a factor at all.

[Guest nikowwf]

For the anti-war people....do you have ANY evidence that Iraq got rid of their WMD? Cause as far as i've seen, we have Blix's report which is about 250 pages of things they cannot account for working inside Iraq, and Saddam Hussein's statement he doesn't have them. Do you have any proof, documents, etc. that say this? Cause there are stacks upon stacks of evidence they do have them, including Iraq's own admissions. (Of course, we could then believe they dumped all of them down a big hole in the desert that they forgot where it was)

 

And im sure those big aluminum tubes they were buying to make centrifugres were really for RC car racing or something like that.

 

It amazes me how people feel the need to grasp EVERY argument in their position. I think the war was neccesary, but there was a LOT of things I disagreed with pre-war, and i thought the diplomacy before the war was a disaster.

 

Just because you are anti-war doesnt mean you need to grasp at straws, such as conspiracy theorys that Iraq doesnt have WMD.

 

Mark my words...20 years from now we will still be digging barrels of weapons out of the desert in Iraq.

 

niko

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

And im sure those big aluminum tubes they were buying to make centrifugres were really for RC car racing or something like that.

 

Actually, they found those to be artillary shells. While the chemical/biological weapon programs are very much possibilities, the nuclear weapons programs supposedly sought by the Iraqi government were, in large part, false.

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

I heard about this on the radio, but if it isn't being reported on CNN and all, I don't know abou this. I haven't checked any coverage since I've been home though. Seriously though, I don't think it's all that impossible for either the Iraqis to have them nor for us to plant them there.

[Guest Powerplay]

Actually, CNN is reporting on it right now.

[Guest nikowwf]

No, they were not found to be artillery shells. Iraq said they were using them for artillery shells. The nuclear inspector, tool that he is said OK - IRAQ SAID IT SO IT MUST BE TRUE. Period. Read the report. The nuclear inspector SUCKED. Some of his arguments were literally WE HAD NO PROOF, SO WE ASKED THE IRAQI'S AND WE DIDNT FOLLOW UP AND ITS OK!

 

I'm being sarcastic, but thats what he did. His report to the UN had one point where they were looking for something American intelligence had told them about. He went to the Iraq's, TOLD THEM WHERE HE WANTED TO GO IN ADVANCE, was told nothing was at the site, did not have a way to follow up, so he "inferred" (in his words) that everything must be ok.

 

niko

[Guest nikowwf]

Actually, CNN is reporting on it right now.

Its just the evil conservative american media engaged in a conspiracy with the US to plant WMD to justify the war.

 

Also, the UN (for passing the resolutions), Iraq (for admitting in the past they had weapons), Hans Blix (for saying the thought they couldn't account for all those weapons) are also in on it too.

 

niko

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

No, they were not found to be artillery shells. Iraq said they were using them for artillery shells. The nuclear inspector, tool that he is said OK - IRAQ SAID IT SO IT MUST BE TRUE. Period. Read the report. The nuclear inspector SUCKED. Some of his arguments were literally WE HAD NO PROOF, SO WE ASKED THE IRAQI'S AND WE DIDNT FOLLOW UP AND ITS OK!

 

I'm being sarcastic, but thats what he did. His report to the UN had one point where they were looking for something American intelligence had told them about. He went to the Iraq's, TOLD THEM WHERE HE WANTED TO GO IN ADVANCE, was told nothing was at the site, did not have a way to follow up, so he "inferred" (in his words) that everything must be ok.

 

niko

Actually, you're completely and utterly wrong.

 

The inspector said that the shells could not in any way, shape, or form be used for a centrifuge because they weren't of high enough grade. There's also a well documented problem with Iraqi artillary shells corroding.

 

Of course, if you want to be blind and ignore the other evidence (including forged documents) that points towards the fabrication of an Iraqi NUCLEAR program, go ahead. You've already chosen to manipulate the facts to press your own issues anyway, why not just continue?

[Guest Vern Gagne]

The Pentagon says to wait for further testing.

[Guest nikowwf]

I'm not talking about shells, im talking about an attempt by Iraq to import Aluminum tubes. I think we are on different wavelengths here, and if i jumped on u im sorry.

 

They attempted to import aluminum tubes the size and weight that work for centrifuges. They said they were for building rockets. (thats where i thought you were going with ARTILLERY SHELLS) Even though Iraq doesnt build any of their rockets this way, and the tubes were not of a spec to make the rockets, this was report IN THE NUCLEAR GUYS REPORT as factual, with his backup being the Iraqi's opinion.

 

Dude, i listed to every report that dude made to the UN. Blix was eh...but the Nuclear inspector team was horrible. Seriously, i may be mental but i listened to EVERY report he made. Iraqi opinion's was a valid source of data for him. Thats an issue for me.

 

niko

[Guest nikowwf]

http://www.thebulletin.org/issues/1998/so9.../so98hamza.html

 

This is just one person who was part of an Iraqi nuclear program. I'm perfectly willing to accept its been shut down at some point. But the link above is one example of literally books that have been written on the subject. Sh*t, people were saying Pakistan was not building nukes, then BAM (literally) they had one.

 

I don't think its a reach to say that Saddam, who has a hard on for guns and such may have been trying to build nukes.

 

niko

[Guest TheMikeSC]

LOL

You don't think there's even a remote chance that it is possible?

Oh sure. The military is going to carry around some chemical and biological weaponry -- INTO A WAR ZONE --- so they can plant it.

 

Yeah, THAT's plausible.

-=Mike

[Guest TheMikeSC]

Yup. You're right. Believe everything the Bush Administarion tells ya. The economy's golden. They really do care about northern Ireland and Israel/Palestine. Iraq was behind 9/11.

Hmmm, who to believe:

 

Saddam or Bush?

 

Yup, TOUGH choice there.

-=Mike

[Guest J*ingus]

In theory, it could be done, but it would be damned difficult to hide it, and you'd have to have a helluva lot of people in on it, which is of course unlikely. Planting evidence of chemical weapons isn't exactly as easy as a corrupt cop sticking a gun in the stiffening hand of some corpse he just shot.