Guest nikowwf Posted April 8, 2003 Report Posted April 8, 2003 What's with Chris Nowinski's new direction? What is he, a war protestor? Is it supposed to elicit heat? It made me embarassed, if nothing else. Plus, if you are going to do the french evil foreigner gimmick (embarrassing also), do we need the protestor gimmick too? Fuck you Vince - all this RAH RAH we support the troops and all that and then you use war sentiment in an angle. Its even more stupid than usual... sigh... niko
Guest Mulatto Heat Posted April 8, 2003 Report Posted April 8, 2003 Do you remember when Nowinski debuted and everyone was all ga-ga over him, saying he had a great future and a terrific gimmick? Yeah, me neither....
Guest Plushy Al Logan Posted April 8, 2003 Report Posted April 8, 2003 Vince is just feeling sympathetic to steiner and felt like sacrificing Nowinski to him and the fans. See also: Hogan/Sgt. Slaughter
Guest Indy Posted April 8, 2003 Report Posted April 8, 2003 He sounds like some of the guys from the message boards I go to. This will either destroy his future or actually get him a push...my bets on destroying his future.
Guest Vyce Posted April 8, 2003 Report Posted April 8, 2003 But he looked so adorable last night in his new tights.
Guest mickberna Posted April 8, 2003 Report Posted April 8, 2003 Come on, he wasn't going anywhere... besides, his character is still basically the same, he's just using current events to show how much smarter he is than everyone else. I don't think wrestling should be an alternate universe. Current events should be acknowledged, and if it gets heat, used by heels to their short term advantage.
Guest Zero_Cool Posted April 8, 2003 Report Posted April 8, 2003 Speaking of Steiner, who else was waiting for Sid 2k3 when he came down on Nowinski from the apron? Then next week, Nowinski cuts a promo on Steiner, saying that his actions just proved his point. I mark for the Bill Lambeer face-protector, though.
Guest Plushy Al Logan Posted April 8, 2003 Report Posted April 8, 2003 Speaking of Steiner, who else was waiting for Sid 2k3 when he came down on Nowinski from the apron? Then next week, Nowinski cuts a promo on Steiner, saying that his actions just proved his point. I mark for the Bill Lambeer face-protector, though. So Nowiski is going to be pummeled with a squeegie and scissors while Steiner shits?
Guest Polish_Rifle Posted April 8, 2003 Report Posted April 8, 2003 I think its just a one night thing to get some heat. He ain't going anywhere until he teams up with Maven as a Tough Enough tag team.
Guest nikowwf Posted April 8, 2003 Report Posted April 8, 2003 Current events should be acknowledged, and if it gets heat, used by heels to their short term advantage. Making fun of the sports team, or a celebrity having an affair, or something like that is rather benign. The problem is this is an ONGOING war and all of a sudden the gimmick could cut close to home. If 1,000 people get killed next week all of a sudden, what do you do? Send Chris away? Send the french dudes away? Pretend the gimmick didnt exisit? its lazy booking...
Guest justcoz Posted April 8, 2003 Report Posted April 8, 2003 If WWE is going to compete with other forms of television and entertainment then (as mickberna said) it can't be an alternate universe. The reality is we are in a war. Flick through the stations on your television and you'll be constantly reminded of that. The networks want ratings. Coverage of the war between the networks has made the Monday night wrestling wars of yesterday look like a friendly rivalry. Each are trying to outdo the other. Country music singers want top ten hits by releasing that "patriotic" song. I'm personally waiting for someone to cover Tie A Yellow Ribbon Around the Old Oak Tree (was that the actual title). So if other mediums can use the war for their own gain then why can't WWE? If you can see an NYPD Blue about racism, why can't you see it on WWE? I don't get how wrestling is supposed to shield you from the rest of the world and how these characters can't be assholes or share an unpopular opinion to get heat? Jesus there were Natzi's in wrestling?! The evil Japanese?! Black guys who have hard heads and are fast on their feet. Wrestling was built around cheap. It's not a lack of creative! It's drawing from society. It's like saying SNL can't crack a Saddam Hussein joke or skit to get a laugh. It's reality, it's fair game. I never got the big deal about Sgt Slaughter and Gen. Adnan during the Golf War. And apparently there were others like me because Slaughter gets a pop evertime he steps through the curtain with a US flag now. The WWF didn't boom in the late 90's because they were politically correct. And if you ask me - the one of the main things their creative have lacked since the company went public is trying to be controversial. Personally, I was just glad that the WWE gave an anti war message in their programming after all the "destroying Iraq is cool" RaRa we get from JR and the King. I was glad both opinions were voiced even though Nowinski's was designed for anti war /pro troops people to get heel heat. Now if WWE were really creative, Nowinski would get some support from others in the locker room next week for speaking his mind. The five or six of them will start a peaceful protest outside of Raw - which would prompt Stone Cold to make a cameo and sing them Koombya - Bischoff of course freaks out and calls the cops, Stone Cold vacates but then the anti war protestors get the snot beat out of them due to the disturbance call. Now that's reality tv!
cawthon777 Posted April 8, 2003 Report Posted April 8, 2003 I don't see what the issue is. Did we forget Hogan / Slaughter where Slaughter was openly supporting Saddam? This isn't NEAR as bad as that was. And that got WrestleMania VII the title of having the largest PPV audience to that point in time (according to the WWF, that is). I'm not saying I expect Nowinski to main event WrestleMania XX - but I do agree that it's not a bad way to get him on TV. Yeah, it's a good way of getting heat. I laughed my ass off. Rene and the crooked referee are going to be awesome. Imagine Rougeau Brothers 2k3! Everyone hates the French anyway.
Guest EternallyLazy Posted April 8, 2003 Report Posted April 8, 2003 I'm pro-war, and moderatly convservative... and even I think the Nowinski/Steiner thing last night was stupid... but for different reasons. I didn't feel comfortable with Nowinski talking about his right to freedom of speech and the crowd booing him for it... it's like they were appealing to the uneducated hick/pro war mentality, instead of educated/hawk mentality. Personally, I think if they're going to continue having Nowinski be a "protester" then he should come out and preach "peace not violence" and then attack people afterwards. Which is quite the reflection when you look at the dumbfuck college hypocrit MTV/Rolling Stone motivated protesters that preach peace yet attack cops.
Guest HHH123007 Posted April 8, 2003 Report Posted April 8, 2003 I don't understand why Nowinski was getting booed(aside from being a heel). The crowd should've booed Steiner for beating up someone who was speaking freely...
Guest LaParkaMarka Posted April 8, 2003 Report Posted April 8, 2003 I'm pro-war, and moderatly convservative... and even I think the Nowinski/Steiner thing last night was stupid... but for different reasons. I didn't feel comfortable with Nowinski talking about his right to freedom of speech and the crowd booing him for it... it's like they were appealing to the uneducated hick/pro war mentality, instead of educated/hawk mentality. Personally, I think if they're going to continue having Nowinski be a "protester" then he should come out and preach "peace not violence" and then attack people afterwards. Which is quite the reflection when you look at the dumbfuck college hypocrit MTV/Rolling Stone motivated protesters that preach peace yet attack cops. That was a great post. I mostly agree with what you say, but don't you think WWE's fans are way more "uneducated hick" than politically aware hawk? Wrestling has always appealed to the lowest common denominator, and I'm not sure if they should really try to grab past that. Raw isn't the kind of show for hard-hitting social commentary, it's a show about simple morality plays...they might lose what litttle audience they have left if they try and get too complex. You're *right on* about the freedom of speech and protester stuff though. It would be a great gimmick for Nowinski, in a different kind of WWE.
Guest EternallyLazy Posted April 9, 2003 Report Posted April 9, 2003 Well that's true... wrestling in general has and always will appeal to that kind of crowd... but I think they could play up Nowinski has a hypocritical college protester if they don't get too complex with it. He could come out with a peace symbol on his tights and cut promos about how we should give peace a chance etc etc... and then cheat like a motherfucker during his matches while the commentators decry his actions
Guest BobbyWhioux Posted April 9, 2003 Report Posted April 9, 2003 Well that's true... wrestling in general has and always will appeal to that kind of crowd... but I think they could play up Nowinski has a hypocritical college protester if they don't get too complex with it. He could come out with a peace symbol on his tights and cut promos about how we should give peace a chance etc etc... and then cheat like a motherfucker during his matches while the commentators decry his actions Yeah, that would be kinda cool. Especially if he started like, you know, actually WINNING MATCHES. [Of course, realize that I *LIKED* the RTC. Speaking of which, they'd probably just have the broadcasters go on and on about the hypocrisy of his actions -- AND NOTHING ELSE -- just like they did with the RTC. Bad brodcasting can help bury gimmicks, too...] Although it would be inconsistent with the tenor of his promo last night (and probably too complex for the WWE "creative" team) it would be a nice touch if they played him up as protesting war but not really knowledgable about the issues or even interested in the issues, but just sort of along for the ride because it was "the cool thing to do" or whatever. Little suggested hints here and there, when interviewers ask him questions about his stance or he's putting the moves on a hardcore female anti-war activist. "Yeah yeah, um, I think that's bad and unfair too. What's your phone number? Uh, you know, so I could call you and talk about this stuff some more." Kinda like when they had him trying to get into Molly's pants. Not that I really want WWE programming sending the simplified (and inaccurate) message that all the students against the war are trend-following hypocrites to an audience presumed dumb enough [in general] to believe it...but since when has what I want/like had any slight bearing on what Vince and associates put out anyway?
Bored Posted April 9, 2003 Report Posted April 9, 2003 Come on people being a protester and speaking out is just EVIL. Don't you watch Fox News?
Guest EternallyLazy Posted April 9, 2003 Report Posted April 9, 2003 Come on people being a protester and speaking out is just EVIL. Don't you watch Fox News? Yes... and this war isn't as "successful" as originally thought it was going to be... don't you watch CNN??
Guest RevEvil Posted April 9, 2003 Report Posted April 9, 2003 They could have a jobber suddenly acting and dressing extremely patriotic, though it rapidly becomes apparent that he really doesn't give a shit and he's just trying to exploit the war to get over.
Guest Razor Roman Posted April 9, 2003 Report Posted April 9, 2003 Come on, he wasn't going anywhere... besides, his character is still basically the same, he's just using current events to show how much smarter he is than everyone else. Id be inclined to agree with you. He's just a smarmy, smarter than thou, Harvard liberal. Like Al Gore. That's why I'm marrying a girl who graduated from Princeton.
Guest Plushy Al Logan Posted April 9, 2003 Report Posted April 9, 2003 Come on people being a protester and speaking out is just EVIL. Don't you watch Fox News? So Nowinski is going to job to Bill O' Reilly? Good for us.
Guest AndrewTS Posted April 9, 2003 Report Posted April 9, 2003 Come on people being a protester and speaking out is just EVIL. Don't you watch Fox News? Because one conservative-slanted station is SO terrible compared to a dozen liberal-bias stations.
Guest AndrewTS Posted April 9, 2003 Report Posted April 9, 2003 Come on, he wasn't going anywhere... besides, his character is still basically the same, he's just using current events to show how much smarter he is than everyone else. Id be inclined to agree with you. He's just a smarmy, smarter than thou, Harvard liberal. Like Al Gore. That's why I'm marrying a girl who graduated from Princeton. Nowinski invented cheap heat tactics.
Bored Posted April 9, 2003 Report Posted April 9, 2003 God conservatives suck can't take a fuckin joke.
Guest AndrewTS Posted April 9, 2003 Report Posted April 9, 2003 God conservatives suck can't take a fuckin joke. I can take a joke, but I can't make much sense of that sentence. Use a comma lately? It's "fucking" by the way.
Bored Posted April 9, 2003 Report Posted April 9, 2003 God conservatives suck can't take a fuckin joke. I can take a joke, but I can't make much sense of that sentence. Use a comma lately? It's "fucking" by the way. No I don't care for your "comma" you fuckin loser! LOL2003
Guest EternallyLazy Posted April 9, 2003 Report Posted April 9, 2003 God conservatives suck can't take a fuckin joke. I can take a joke, but I can't make much sense of that sentence. Use a comma lately? It's "fucking" by the way. No I don't care for your "comma" you fuckin loser! LOL2003 riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
Guest AndrewTS Posted April 9, 2003 Report Posted April 9, 2003 God conservatives suck can't take a fuckin joke. I can take a joke, but I can't make much sense of that sentence. Use a comma lately? It's "fucking" by the way. No I don't care for your "comma" you fuckin loser! LOL2003 Go bitch about society while sucking down your cappucino, you loud-mouthed, whiny, do-nothing pinko meathead. I suggest you learn to articulate your alleged thoughts a bit better. You do know I'm joking, right? Well, a little that is.
Bored Posted April 9, 2003 Report Posted April 9, 2003 Seeee can't take a joke. Well I've had my fun.
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