That East/West war thing

[Guest KanadianKrusty]

Ok, I'm not really a rap fan but I heard about this a couple of weeks ago and it got me interested. Before I get flamed for my ignorance, I'd like to say that:

 

a)I'm pretty sure I was a kid when it happened.

b)Nobody really talked about it in Canada (here at least).

 

So, can anyone fill me in on what happened, why?, when?.

 

EDIT: omg, 300 posts, yay...

[Guest razazteca]

Suge Knight (Death Row) vs Sean Combs (Bad Boy)in the mid to late 90s. Which became 2Pac vs Notorious BIG and the death of them both.

 

Why did it happened? To sell CDs and the image of being a gangster, of course.

 

Suge Knight made a comment at The Source awards show something like Some producers want to be in videos, wants to be a rapper, wants to be a gangster, wants to be in very thing........We the realist

[Guest Anglesault]

Suge Knight (Death Row) vs Sean Combs (Bad Boy)in the mid to late 90s. Which became 2Pac vs Notorious BIG and the death of them both.

 

Why did it happened? To sell CDs and the image of being a gangster, of course.

Fucking Barbarians. I honestly thought it was over something

[Guest razazteca]

Well you could include 2Pac and Biggie argueing over women.

 

Check out the songs Hit them up and How do you want it by 2 Pac.

 

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[Guest Anglesault]

Well you could include 2Pac and Biggie argueing over women.

Eh. At least that's a reason to want someone dead. Not necessarily act on it, but it's a legit reason.

 

Check out the songs Hit them up and How do you want it by 2 Pac.

 

No.

[Guest El Satanico]

eh it's not the only music genre that has had artists doing crazy shit just to prove they are the best.

 

Hell Marvin Gaye(i think it's him) was killed by his own father over money.

[Guest Anglesault]

eh it's not the only music genre that has had artists doing crazy shit just to prove they are the best.

Didn't say it was.

[Guest Flyboy]

Anglesault, stop coming into threads about rap if you don't like it.

 

We get the fucking point!

[Guest Midnight Express83]

Anglesault coming into rap threads bashing rap proves as much sense as me going to a thread about lucha and spewing how WWE is the greatest. It is pointless and does nothing but waste everyone's time.

[Guest Anglesault]

Right now I'm bashing men with the mental acumen of toddlers murdering eachother and starting a somewhat vicious and quite infamous blood feud over one of the stupidest reasons I can possibly imagine. Why I'm the only one who seems to find a problem with this is baffling me. You would think rap fans would want their genre to distance itself from this nonsense.

[Guest Midnight Express83]

There was no EAST vs WEST fued. Rather the media making one. Puffy said on the same show he wasn't in a beef with Death Row. Biggie and Tupac both admit they roasted each other in a song then they moved on. People who think there was a fued was getting info from The Source. Not from the artist themselves. Now, we know mags never try to blow things out to make a few extra sells? RIGHT?!?

[Guest Anglesault]

Then i have a few questions. Okay, one.

 

Why did Biggie arrange to have Tupac killed (Wasn't that revealed?) And wasn't Biggie killed in revenge?

 

And what the hell happened to Snoop Dog?

[Guest Mik at Cornell]

Biggie arranging to have Tupac killed was pretty much proven to be false.

 

And as for Snoop Dogg, who knows if it was rap related at all. Someone could have just tried to make a name for themselves by killing a celebrity.

[Guest NoCalMike]

Problem was, it was overblown by the media which helped the sales, but it also made the local LEGIT gangbangers in each city feel it was their duty to kill the rival rap star.

[Guest ant_7000]

THERE WERE NO EAST/WEST FUED DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE!!!!!!!!! The media made this up and Death Row (Suge) was only one(s) milking the media hype. (i.e. DPG's NY,NY song/video). The feud was based on 2pac/Suge vs Biggie/Puffy and if you listen to Pac's Makaveli album, On the intro Pac says "Its not about East and West, its about riders and punks, power and money."

 

2pac blamed Biggie and Puff that they know who shot him the first 5x, while they were in the studio. And notice Biggie never outright dissed 2pac on record, he said things subliminial about Pac but not "Fuck Pac". That theory from the LA times was bullshit because Biggie was in Jersey when Pac got shot in Vegas. I think 2pac got shot by that dude they beat up at the Tyson fight. Suge, I think had something to do with Biggie's murder, and I think it was by a COP that was working part-time for Death Row security.

[Guest Midnight Express83]

Bad Boy was on the top floor of the studio. Lil Cease went downstairs to get Tupac because Biggie wanted to do a song with him. But when he was in the elevator, Tupac got shot. That is what happenend.

 

Tupac was shot most likely because of the little fight he had in the lobby leaving the place of the Tyson fight. Both him and Suge were the targets but Suge survived a SHOT TO THE FUCKING HEAD!

 

Biggie's death was most likely done by some gangbangers who take this rap shit too seriously, and thought Biggie had something on Pac, plus they wanted to make themselves look bigger taking out of a rap superstar.

 

Puffy never said their was an east coast west coast fued. Puffy just kept making records and money. He wasn't trying to get into the drama of that shit. All he wanted to do was just make music to have a good time. The Source and Suge Knight made it look like their was a fued. Suge did it to make more record sells. Source did it to sell mags. That is all there is to it.

[Guest caboose]

I can just imagine Anglesault as the bitch of that WCW stable. You know the guys who sang Rap Is Crap.

[Guest Midnight Express83]

West Texas Rednecks?

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

Other people did comment on the East/West stuff besides Suge and Puffy. One of the first songs considered part of the feud was by a rapper named Tim Dog, entitled "Fuck Compton". It was a huge diss on Easy-E and Dr. Dre and the west coast in general. Dr. Dre later put out a song called "East Coast/West Coast Killas" which was a diss on all the people pushing the east/west feud. A lot of rappers like Ice Cube didn't get into it at all though.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

AS, you seem to think that the rap fans here are defending the violent aspects of the gang culture associated with rap, and I don't believe they are.

[Guest Anglesault]

AS, you seem to think that the rap fans here are defending the violent aspects of the gang culture associated with rap, and I don't believe they are.

 

I most certainly think they do. Or at least compliant. Maybe not here per se, but definitely as a whole. I firmly, firmly believe that if enough fans of rap decided to put their foot down and clean up rap's rep a little by somehow making it known that they WILL NOT stand for this anymore, rappers who are involved in this will have to stop, or lose truckloads of money.

[Guest papacita]

There's a conspiracy theory out there that police/FBI had Pac killed due to his political ties (with the Panthers and such), played up the East Coast/West Coast thing and later killed Biggie to cover up. It was in some magazine I read a while back...take that with a grain of salt though.

[Guest Still Fly]

As the other posters have explained the East Coast/West Coast fued was a huge media blow up. In reality it was just a beef and the rappers involved made a few tracks and that was it. A rivalry plain and simple. Of course you had the people you were stupid and took it too far. Hence two innocent men where killed and probably many more we dont know about.

 

Yet, rap music has done a lot of good for the black culture and society. But people dont want to focus on that, people want to focus on the negative like every other genre of music has. I wish some people would not let the bad apples spoil the bunch.

[Guest Edwin MacPhisto]

AS, you seem to think that the rap fans here are defending the violent aspects of the gang culture associated with rap, and I don't believe they are.

 

I most certainly think they do. Or at least compliant. Maybe not here per se, but definitely as a whole. I firmly, firmly believe that if enough fans of rap decided to put their foot down and clean up rap's rep a little by somehow making it known that they WILL NOT stand for this anymore, rappers who are involved in this will have to stop, or lose truckloads of money.

There's actually a lot of successful rap that doesn't always waddle around in gangsta cliches. These days, Talib Kweli and the Roots are getting bigger than they've ever been. You have socially conscious rappers like El-P and Mr. Lif on the Def Jux label, and you even have tremendously mainstream acts like Jay-Z, Nas, and Outkast that are a lot further from the whole angry gangsta image than a lot of people think. There's a wit and earnestness about their music that goes way beyond stereotypical conceptions of rap.

 

I do think the image is slowly changing, because, believe it or not, people ARE starting to get tired of the guns, bitches, and jewelry thing. Inventive rap is getting increasingly greater radio and video play.

[Guest IDrinkRatsMilk]

How can you call selling records a stupid reason? Money is EVERYTHING!

[Guest Anglesault]

AS, you seem to think that the rap fans here are defending the violent aspects of the gang culture associated with rap, and I don't believe they are.

 

I most certainly think they do. Or at least compliant. Maybe not here per se, but definitely as a whole. I firmly, firmly believe that if enough fans of rap decided to put their foot down and clean up rap's rep a little by somehow making it known that they WILL NOT stand for this anymore, rappers who are involved in this will have to stop, or lose truckloads of money.

There's actually a lot of successful rap that doesn't always waddle around in gangsta cliches. These days, Talib Kweli and the Roots are getting bigger than they've ever been. You have socially conscious rappers like El-P and Mr. Lif on the Def Jux label, and you even have tremendously mainstream acts like Jay-Z, Nas, and Outkast that are a lot further from the whole angry gangsta image than a lot of people think. There's a wit and earnestness about their music that goes way beyond stereotypical conceptions of rap.

 

I do think the image is slowly changing, because, believe it or not, people ARE starting to get tired of the guns, bitches, and jewelry thing. Inventive rap is getting increasingly greater radio and video play.

And you know what? Good for them. Really, this Suge fellow is obviously in it for the money. If these, for lack of a better term, normal rappers become more popular and rap fans continue to shy away from his idiocy, one of two things can happen, neither of them bad: He can fade into obscurity, or he can adapt.

[Guest Midnight Express83]

AS, the problem you have with rap is valid to a point. Peopl rap/sing about their lives. That is why "gangsta" rap artist live in the "hood". "Mommy don't love me" rock artist live in the subberb. And why "Old Fashion Country" lives in the rural area.

 

But another thing is the fans. Most rap fans are 15 to 30 year old white males. That is the biggest group of fans. And they want to believe they can feel some of the songs. Which is why gangsta rap and this hardcore rap is selling big, because they want to hear the drama.

 

As for rap changing, it has been for a while, it is just people don't want to believe it. Listen to songs like "I Can" by Nas and "Blueprint2" by Jay Z. Plus their are rappers like Outkast, Will Smith, and Run DMC that never talk about gangbanging. Plus LL Cool J is the founder love song rap. Which just about every artist has done atleast one track in the last 3 years. Fat Joe, Jay-Z, Puffy, Ja-Rule, ect. ect. ect. Then there is Snoop doing his own thing.

[Guest Anglesault]

another thing is the fans. Most rap fans are 15 to 30 year old white males. That is the biggest group of fans. And they want to believe they can feel some of the songs. Which is why gangsta rap and this hardcore rap is selling big, because they want to hear the drama

 

That makes sense.

 

As for rap changing, it has been for a while, it is just people don't want to believe it. Listen to songs like "I Can" by Nas and "Blueprint2" by Jay Z. Plus their are rappers like Outkast, Will Smith, and Run DMC that never talk about gangbanging. Plus LL Cool J is the founder love song rap. Which just about every artist has done atleast one track in the last 3 years. Fat Joe, Jay-Z, Puffy, Ja-Rule, ect. ect. ect. Then there is Snoop doing his own thing.

 

Now, that's what I'm trying to say. Obviously, I'm an outsider looking in. I see more of the "Gangsta rap," and I think more outsiders see the same thing. I think if trends move more towards these guys, it will certainly be more acceptible. Isn't Jay-Z head of some kind of orphanage or something along those lines? Genuinely good people will help the image.

[Guest Midnight Express83]

I believe so. He does alot of help people. He gave about 1 million to the twin towers fund. Jay-Z is for helping, but nobody wants to admit it. They only want talk about his bling bling comments and songs. Yet nobody wants to call him the man that tried to clean up his old neighborhood.

[Guest El Satanico]

"gangsta rap" outside of a few artists(who I don't know) hasn't really been popular for several years now. That "bling bling" bullshit replaced "gangsta" for the most part.