RVD received the best reaction last night on RAW

[Guest GameCop]

If you guys paid close attention to the RVD/Kane vs. Storm/Morley last night on RAW, you will have noticed the following:

 

- That match had the best heat

 

- The fans actually booed Kane when he was first tagged in (probably because people wanted to see more of RVD)

 

- The fans were going apeshit when they realized RVD was about to do the VAN DAMINATOR

 

- The fans incessantly chanted "RVD" more than they chanted "Goldberg" or "Booker T"

 

- The fans were going delirious when RVD did the VAN TERMINATOR

 

So, why is he being booked in tag matches? RVD should be the WWE champ, because the fans genuinely care about him, regardless of the crappy storylines he's been constantly subjected to.

 

As far as I'm concerned, RVD is the real reason why people watch RAW or go to RAW events.

[Guest commie_050]

Wow, how controversial.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

If you guys paid close attention to the RVD/Kane vs. Storm/Morley last night on RAW, you will have noticed the following:

 

- That match had the best heat

 

- The fans actually booed Kane when he was first tagged in (probably because people wanted to see more of RVD)

 

- The fans were going apeshit when they realized RVD was about to do the VAN DAMINATOR

 

- The fans incessantly chanted "RVD" more than they chanted "Goldberg" or "Booker T"

 

- The fans were going delirious when RVD did the VAN TERMINATOR

 

So, why is he being booked in tag matches? RVD should be the WWE champ, because the fans genuinely care about him, regardless of the crappy storylines RVD he's been constantly subjected to.

 

As far as I'm concerned, RVD is the real reason why people watch RAW or go to RAW events.

GameCop, you do relize we've been saying this for the last year, right?

 

 

In other news, Vince McMahin announced plans for a new football league. He was quoted as saying, "It can't possibly fail."

[Guest GameCop]

Yeah, I know we've been saying it for the last year. I'm just dumbfounded why Vince and company don't capitalize on RVD. WWE literally has a goldmine on their hands, but they refuse to acknowledge it. It's really mind boggling; WWE doesn't deserve to stay in business with all the indiscretions they've made.

[Guest CanadianChick]

Yeah, it sucks big time. But I love that RVD is still getting great reactions even without a huge push. THough being a tag team champion isn't exactly the worst thing in the world. Sure, it doesn't really justify his position, but at least he's not in Jeff Hardy's position.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I say again: These points have already been debated. I should know, I've been arguing RVD's case along with bps FOREVER, and none of you guys were there to help us then.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Who cares? He still sucks.

[Guest Lightning Flik]

none of you guys were there to help us then.

Dude, I was there. Problem is, you said everything I could say on the subject and thusly my voice would've been useless repeating everything you said.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Who cares? He still sucks.

He's better than Booker T.

 

He's faster, he's more over, and when the house shows go out on tour HE'S the ME not Booker T.

 

 

RVD > Booker T

[Guest GameCop]

He still sucks? RVD has the most exciting offense in WWE, with the possible exception of Rey Mysterio.

[Guest Anglesault]

I say again: These points have already been debated. I should know, I've been arguing RVD's case along with bps FOREVER, and none of you guys were there to help us then.

I was preoccupied. bps sent me off on my own missions.

 

 

Yeah, it sucks big time. But I love that RVD is still getting great reactions even without a huge push.

 

That justifies them leaving him there. In WWF logic.

[Guest Dmann2000]

Who cares?  He still sucks.

If the majority of fans want him on top, and will pay money, buy merchandise and support a show that pushes him, it doesn't matter if he sucks. Hogan sucked but during his peak years he drew. If RVD is given the chance to draw and does draw his suckiness or lack thereof is a non-issue.

[Guest AndrewTS]

I like RVD. Yet I detect some flaws in your reasoning.

 

So, why is he being booked in tag matches? RVD should be the WWE champ, because the fans genuinely care about him, regardless of the crappy storylines he's been constantly subjected to.

 

RVD is likely being booked in tag matches because there is no singles title to compete for on Raw besides the title HHH has. RVD has fueded for the title with HHH and lost, so this is keeping him busy for the time being.

 

As far as I'm concerned, RVD is the real reason why people watch RAW or go to RAW events.

 

As far as you're concerned, that is correct. That doesn't mean that it is so. You are not presenting evidence to support that point, you're only giving your opinion.

 

And what is it that you are trying to say? That RVD should be holding the Raw title?

 

If that is what you are saying, that doesn't follow logically. If people watch Raw or pay to see Raw shows for RVD, than all you are deductively proving is that RVD should stay on Raw because he is valuable to the show. If you are saying RVD would draw more money as a champion than HHH, then you are making a guess. There is no evidence to support that.

 

Plus you completely ignore the fact that RVD may not be the only reason that fans watch Raw or pay to see the shows. You are ignoring that Rock, Chris Jericho, or even, heaven forbid, Jeff Hardy are all part of the Raw roster that may draw a great deal of fan interest. In almost all cases, though, it takes a number of persons on a show to induce a person to pay to see a show or, in a less extreme case, to turn on Raw each Monday night.

 

Overness = money drawing? They aren't necessarily the same thing. Some one may be vastly "over" but not draw as champion. Besides, this is a pointless argument for pushing people because Vince only hears pops when he wants to.

 

We also are ignoring deficiencies that RVD possesses. He is horrible on the mic, which hurts him more than anything else. Your average non-smark RVD fan doesn't give a shit about RVD's rolls and flips being impractical. They don't give a shit about his spotty selling. They dig the cool moves and high spots. Vince dislikes having guys with that sort of style as a top champ, as they are in theory more injury prone (this is laughable considering who he pushes, but still...).

 

Plus, RVD may not be the sort of company representative that Vince wants. A guy who looks, acts, and talks like a stoner is less attractive as a champion to Vince as a brawling, muscle-bound, wise-cracking character, such as the Rock. Or HHH the Flair-wannabe.

 

There are certainly a number of Raw wrestlers who are more deserving, and more likely to draw than HHH. However, that is moot. To Vince, HHH is the best option. Him and the other McMahons realize that having HHH as the only main eventer that is actually a full-time wrestler is not going to draw well. He also should encourage better writing, not just writing he enjoys.

 

Putting a meaningless title on a Booker T, a Chris Jericho, or an RVD is not the panacea that will turn around Raw. In fact, even if they wrestle in the final matches, and are treated as legitimate, it may not produce immediate results. However, a champion that is over being put on top, with good challengers, on a show that top to bottom has entertaining storylines WILL produce growth in the long run. I believe WWE would see a turnaround if they did this, even if the wrestling isn't top-notch, since only smarks really care about that (although a Nash-HHH lumber-fest may turn marks off).

 

However, a journey of a thousand miles takes a simple step. I don't think one taken by Kevin Nash out to the ring for a "walk-in" will be that step.

[Rendclaw 0]

People have been chanting for RVD ever since he was on loan from ECW.

 

We can hash and rehash everything about X wrestler, but it all comes down to politics. Someone is jealous of another's heat, and he goes out of his way to keep the rising star down....

 

Someone or someones (plural).

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

He still sucks? RVD has the most exciting offense in WWE, with the possible exception of Rey Mysterio.

I want to see wrestling, not gymnastics.

[Guest AndrewTS]

He still sucks? RVD has the most exciting offense in WWE, with the possible exception of Rey Mysterio.

I want to see wrestling, not gymnastics.

In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter what you as an individual want to see.

 

What most fans want is what they should be doing.

 

What Vince/HHH/Steph wants is what they will be doing.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

He still sucks? RVD has the most exciting offense in WWE, with the possible exception of Rey Mysterio.

I want to see wrestling, not gymnastics.

In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter what you as an individual want to see.

 

What most fans want is what they should be doing.

 

What Vince/HHH/Steph wants is what they will be doing.

I know, but I'm an egotistical, selfish, self-centred son of a bitch.

 

Besides RVD IS an improvement over Nash & Company.

[David Blazenwing 0]

As far as I'm concerned, RVD is the real reason why people watch RAW or go to RAW events.

I watch RAW and was at the April 7th Milwaukee RAW live for one reason and one reaon only:

 

To see The Hurricane.

 

AND HE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE AN F'N MATCH!? THAT SUCKS!!!

 

Ah well... Nash coming back and HBK wrestling was cool too

[Guest AndrewTS]

Well, I brought that up since that is what the topic is about, not what each of us want.

 

Although I'd love to be able to pick the brains of the marks and find out just what they each think of all these recent hirings/returns.

[Guest NoCalMike]

The sad part is, he is still really over, yet his pops are only a fraction of what they were when he first broke into WWE. WWE has had to constantly bury him through ludicrous losses due to DQ in order to lower his overness. I still hold out hope that WWE may have plans for him because if you notice, RVD RARELY loses clean. Almost all of his losses have involved interference in one way or another and that is one basic way of protecting a worker for the future. However that doesn't necessarily mean it will lead to anything.

[Guest GameCop]

What we want -- or the casual fans want -- is inconsequential because HHH, Steph, and a deluded, decrepit Vince McMahon are at the helm of a floundering ship. The aforementioned three make decisions based on what THEY WANT to see, not what the casual fan wants to see which is the number one problem undermining WWE.

 

To only compound problems, the Tyrannical Triangle (HHH, Steph, Vince) don't know how to book their superstars. Take for instance Bill Goldberg. Last night, he was booked in a comedy segment with Goldust. As soon as Goldberg said, ..."don't ever do that again, Goldust," the fans booed. Goldberg initially rose to stardom because he was booked as a guy who did all of his talking in the ring; he was never privy to comedy segments or comical wrestlers, which is why the fans clung to him. Take RVD, for instance. RVD was the most popular star in ECW because he almost never looked vulnerable; he could extricate himself from predicaments -- and he did it with flair and charisma. His nonchalant, brash attitude has been drastically subdued by the TT.

 

WWE is saddled with the most incompetent writers, most unqualified leaders (coughStephcough) and a blatant unwillingness to catapult deserving wrestlers into the stratosphere. Under Steph (and HHH's ) guise, WWE has botched numerous angles that had the potential to be blockbusters. If WWE doesn't make any changes to ameliorate their problems, they'll eventually go out of business, or maybe they'll be bought by Ted Turner, which would be the most ironic thing ever.

[Guest AndrewTS]

WWE is saddled with the most incompetent writers, most unqualified leaders (coughStephcough) and a blatant unwillingness to catapult deserving wrestlers into the stratosphere. Under Steph (and HHH's ) guise, WWE has botched numerous angles that had the potential to be blockbuster. If WWE doesn't make any changes to ameliorate their problems, they'll eventually go out of business, or maybe they'll be bought by Ted Turner, which would be the most ironic thing ever.

 

"Daddy, what does 'ameliorate' mean?"

 

I must say I'd laugh my ass off if Turner bought them out, but Vince would have to die before that would happen.

[Guest Shanghai Kid]

RVD's offense was exciting like two years ago, now it's just stale. Vince could push him to the moon, but the guy has no character and no mic skills. Sooner or later, he would have to show some personality. The fans don't care about him, they might cheer him, but he's not the sole reason for them to buy a ticket to a show, saying that is unfair to everybody else on Raw. Not too many people are going to be sitting at home saying "I have to get tickets to Raw so that I can see RVD". They say that about Austin and Rock, and that is why they are draws. As of now, RVD is a midcarder with a stale character and no mic skills, one particular audience giving him a great reaction is no reason to give him the world title and watch the ratings stay the same or sink lower.

[Rendclaw 0]

God, can you just imagine the chaos if that happened?

 

The sad thing is, as much as I dislike Turner, it would prolly be better for pro wrestling in general if it did happen.

 

By the way, Booker is only slightly less better than RVD at this point in his career. Booker back in his Harlem Heat days would be just as good as RVD if not better.

 

::sighs as he thinks about RVD and Book as a tag team::

[Guest RenegadeX28]

I was falling asleep watching RAW, but when that match came on, man, I had to see every second of it...

[Guest snuffbox]

Paul Heyman never got around to putting the ecw world title on RVD either. I think its some retarded epidemic.

[Guest humongous2002]

He still sucks? RVD has the most exciting offense in WWE, with the possible exception of Rey Mysterio.

I want to see wrestling, not gymnastics.

If you want wrestling go watch the olympics or a wrestling tournament, this is pro-wrestling or sports entertainment which consists of different types of fighting styles, if you think RVD sucks then that's your opinion but you've got to admit that the man is still over after being buried so many times. And i've also been saying this for the longest that RVD is the most over babyface in the WWE( not just RAW) all he needs is for Vince to finally give him a real meaningful push and he will see all those dollars coming his way.

[cawthon777 0]

After seeing RVD in action this weekend - I agree that he's very over but he needs to work on his in-ring stuff before getting another main event push. The past few weeks / months he's shown a lot of hesitation and his high spots haven't come across as very crisp.

 

And whoever said that RVD was working main events on house shows and not Booker T - I don't know where that came from. The only main events RVD has worked this year were in a handful of tag matches and Booker's been getting more title shots on the house show circuit than anyone this year.

 

I'll support RVD as a main eventer when he starts working like he did when he came into the WWF 2 years ago. I was all about him winning the title at Survivor Series but, since he started tagging with Kane during the winter, his abilities have suffered.

[Guest Jack Potts]

Personally, I'm not completely sold on RVD, either, (mostly because of his weak looking forearm shots) but I DO think he has tremendous potential as a break-out, crossover star for WWE.

 

First, as stated before, he has a completely different attitude than most wrestling characters. It's a cocky attitude borne out of his ability, so he lets his athleticism speak for itself. However, he should probably be turned heel and have a manager. Perhaps "consultant" Paul Heyman could cross-over and serve as his mouthpiece.

 

Secondly, I think RVD has a look that is actually more marketable to women. I think they go more for the naturally muscular look than the 'roided up, ripped look. The former says "Hey, I take care of myself" while the latter says, "I'm a vain prick who's more interested in myself than you."

 

Finally, besides a broken ankle about three years ago, he hasn't had any major injuries, has he? Considering the bumps he takes, he's remarkably durable. (Knock on wood)

[cawthon777 0]

However, he should probably be turned heel and have a manager. Perhaps "consultant" Paul Heyman could cross-over and serve as his mouthpiece.

I've been waiting for him to turn on Kane since they started teaming up.